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Post by alejoplay on Jun 25, 2007 18:04:24 GMT
it ends today! HOORAH!!!
actually, this opposition has been challenging in a more overall/blanket way for me, resulting in a lot of loss of faith and pessimism. It fell on my 1st/7th house axis and it touched my natal sun and currently my natal Jupiter. The second opposition was the worst as I was working on a show (around my birthday) and it was a lot of work and not much reward and I pretty much fell apart and was not very supportive with my creative partner (7th house stuff right there).
This last pass has been the easiest. I started dating someone a month ago and it's going really well. I think having had Saturn in my 1st since 2005 has resulted in enough lessons that I feel like despite all the intense feelings that are developing for this person, I feel very level-headed and together. Much more so than I ever had at this point in the relationship. However, I keep being pulled in two directions in my mind--I oscillate between intense longing/dreaminess and extreme caution and hesitancy.
I've also mended a lot of my working relationship with my creative partner and I think we're handling the duties of working together on our company a lot more efficiently and with more togetherness. He definitely feels more okay with me lately than he did in February.
Venus is in my 1st until October thanks to that upcoming retrograde, so it should help ease me out of the final passes of that Saturn transit.
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Post by Aphrodite on Jun 25, 2007 22:58:43 GMT
Well, the aspect is exact today, but not quite dead yet! But things should get better now.
Loss of faith and pessimism sums it up for me, too. I'm so glad you said that. I was about to go off the deep end here and just now realized that "this too shall pass." Funny thing. I was all business last night - focused and making plans to get things done (Saturn). Tonight, I can't seem to figure out how to get through the week, much less the future. Fuzzy, confused, crisis of faith and full of doubt...
And now I feel better. Hope it lasts more than five minutes. I've been swinging back and forth like this for a while now. At least now I know where this energy is coming from (natal Moon - Mercury square @ 20 degrees is getting blasted by Neptune and Saturn!) and that the sky really isn't falling. I didn't have a clue what was going on with me until just now! Ironically, I'm the one who bumped the thread, too. Thanks!
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Post by Aphrodite on Jun 25, 2007 23:27:08 GMT
Well, it has been a bit more than five minutes... I ordered Chinese food tonight. There were two fortune cookies. I eyed one, but opened the other. It said... "The simplest answer is to act." Great advice! Wow! I feel even better now. Since I couldn't stop glancing at the other cookie, I opened it, too. It said... "Ignore previous cookie." I wish this was a joke. It's not.
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Post by alejoplay on Jun 26, 2007 15:19:23 GMT
That is so perfect for a Saturn/Neptune opposition!
I had two experiences yesterday: one was I went to group therapy and one of the members showed up incredibly drunk (hello, Neptune) and I really got freaked out/pissed off (hello, Saturn).
Then the guy I'm dating called me last night. The call was great. I felt the level of conversation got intimate and personal and it seems like the relationship is really sound and moving forward. It's like Saturn solidifying things . . . but as dreamy as I feel with him, I feel a certain hesitancy--not about how I feel, but my expression of it (Saturn in 1st house).
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Post by Aphrodite on Jun 26, 2007 20:20:15 GMT
Hmmm.... I wonder how it would be if the houses were reversed? Would Saturn in the 7th cause hesitancy about the relationship? Would Neptune in the 1st make it difficult for you to determine the problem or express your feelings?
Last night after I signed off I decided to open the bible to any page and begin reading. It flipped to the first page of Ecclesiastes. Knowing better, I still perversely continued to read the entire book. Not a good thing to read when you are already depressed! For those who haven't had the pleasure, let me summarize...
"Life is meaningless."
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Post by ana on Jun 29, 2007 1:31:47 GMT
I am thinking that our horrid Prime Minister of Oz's recent announcement that he is goint to blitz 40 Aboriginal communities for pornography alchohol and child abuse using army and police from other states would be Saturn/Neptune I think he has made a big mistake as this method never worked in the past and as a ploy to be reelected it will fail as all the old rulers are on the way out please God And it is a very heavy handed way of dealing with something that is not exclusive to our indig pop. I have end of Leo on cusp of 4th house and I got the cheques for the sale of my house on the 27th June 07 altho the transits of Sun to 2 /Pluto to 8 opp seems to be the actual payment bit of it I have Juno 1 Virgo and then Merc at 4 so should be interesting I suppose I will be losing confidence huh......I think I already have over the toruously long business of selling this house in a tortoise slow local market I will have a one person party to celebrate when Saturn moves out of my Sun sign in Sep even tho I have a lot of Virgo too..............................
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Post by Juliet on Jul 3, 2007 8:27:37 GMT
Dear all,
I read the opposition was exact on the 26th. That was the night my boyfriend went back to his borderline ex, out of the blue. They had been together for 18 months and she broke up with him three days before we met. On the rebound. We have been happy, made a garden last week, we would go on vacation together and we made a financial commitment to each other which he did not change and came into effect yesterday. Would have been six months coming weekend.
A healthy and happy and real relationship, I still do not doubt it. I do not doubt myself for a moment. I don't want to see or speak him, am mad and sad and frightened sometimes, but not confused.
Venus went over his Uranus when this happened. It is Mercury retrograde, and mý ex-bf called the day after, to see how I was doing, after two years. Venus and Saturn are both on my Vertex now, in 7. How apt. I am so sad, only know I can process this enormous loss, one day at a time. My feelings vary each day, I can only find some peace when I accept the NOW. But I express my anger where it belongs, with him.
Neptune squares his Sun now. He told me he needs to do this before we can continue, which is true and of course totally unacceptable at the same time. Isn't that Neptune opp Saturn. By the way, this is a most effective diet!
Love, Juliet
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Jul 3, 2007 11:01:33 GMT
Aiee, Juliet, I'm so sorry to read this. How painful for you. So unfair. And so sudden. I experienced something similar a couple of years ago - my guy was hung up on the ex-girlfriend and went back to her. Very painful for me. On the other hand, a friend of mine had a similar thing where her man went back to his estranged wife to try again, but it didn't last and he went back to my friend and they are getting married. So you never know, different people different circumstances.
Venus and Saturn on the Vertex - wow.
Many hugs, Juliet. Take good care of yourself... 3HN
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Post by Juliet on Jul 3, 2007 12:31:49 GMT
Dear 3rd house, I will take good care of me, 3rd, thanks for your sweet words! Hugs back! Juliet
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Post by Kim Falconer on Jul 3, 2007 22:33:24 GMT
Juliet!
This is a very challenging manifestation of Saturn-Neptune, and to have it effecting, with Venus, your vertex . . . 'turning point' just doesn't seem to be a strong enough phrase.
I am so sorry to hear of this sudden event. Whatever the outcome, it will certainly change your relationship with him when you reconnect...I know that sounds presumptuous and you may not want to reconnect now at all with him --that anger is not misplaced and it's good you are expressing it, as you say, to him where it belongs--but I get the feeling that he panicked. When you said you'd just made a financial commitment I got this hit of how that frightened him, startled him but unconsciously so he couldn’t process it, and he bolted.
I have the feeling that he will discover with his ex all the reasons why they are 'ex's' and calm down and want to be with you, were his heart was so happy. Whether your heart will still be happy with him is another thing...
I wish I could take you out to dinner for soothing talks and comfort.
Please let me know if there is anything I can do...anything I can check astro wise...anything...
Love and hugs, Kim
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Post by Juliet on Jul 3, 2007 23:55:28 GMT
Oh Kim, Thanks. I do not want to reconnect at all now. He conquered alcohol eight years ago, on his own and with succes, never relapsed. Scorpio Moon. He is not the archetypical wrong man, although he's doing a pretty good imitation of it right now. I know his heart was really happy with me. Love, Juliet Thanks, you got me crying. I was slightly frozen today...
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Post by sopranokris on Jul 4, 2007 1:16:02 GMT
Juliet,
My heart broke for you, reading your post. Yes, it's SO HARD when a situation is "true, yet unacceptable" Oh my goodness. So much happening in such a short span of time. Uranus always seems to put things in motion out of the blue and usually in an abrupt way.
All I can say is, use this time to sort out your true feelings. I know EXACTLY what you mean when you mentioned diet. When transiting Uranus hit my 5th house 2 years ago, my marriage seemed to WHAM-BAM end. Even though I wasn't happy for years before it finally ended, the WAY it came to a head and just suddenly ended, seemingly out of the blue, really hit hard. I couldn't eat properly for months. Things will get better with time. I know how painful it must be right now, but it will truly get better.
Best wishes & take care,
--Kristin
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Post by Juliet on Jul 4, 2007 10:23:01 GMT
Hi Kristin,
Thanks. I know you're right. How long before you were 'better'? We were only six months together, so that might make it easier. Yesterday I read somewhere that when you've been with someone for over two years, the attachment chemicals are comparable to the bonding chemicals in a childs brain, so when breaking up it will feel if though one loses a mother.
When my 22 year long marriage ended, I fell in love six weeks after the break was final! It took me years to recover from that omisssion, although I believe I won't need months and months this time to be ready for love again. I've made a decision about that. You are never really ready, but one can be open nevertheless. Before January I had been without a relationship for two/three years and saw that as inevitable, love seemed unattainable, on another planet, something for other people. Then my daughters bf asked very surprisedly: 'Why doesn't your mom have a boyfriend?' and something shifted internally. Two weeks later I met X. That shift is still there!
Also, our relationship was a happy one. Strange, but that might make it easier. Despite all these hopeful words, I feel awful now. Meditation and mindfulness really help whenever I drift away from myself! Love, Juliet
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Post by Aphrodite on Jul 4, 2007 12:56:53 GMT
Juliet, I'm so sorry that you are hurting right now. Yet something tells me that it isn't quite over with your boyfriend. You might not be ready for that right now. But remember what you just said, "You are never really ready, but one can be open nevertheless." Regardless of what happens, I hope that you can move past the hurt and be happy again with him or with someone else.
Blessings to you. I'm sending you healing thoughts and this poem/story that a girlfriend gave to me recently to help me with my own pains in life...
(Amen for my girlfriends!)
THIS SAYS IT ALL:
Time passes Life happens. Distance separates. Children grow up. Jobs come and go. Love waxes and wanes. Men don't do what they're supposed to do . Hearts break. Parents die. Colleagues forget favors. Careers end. BUT.........
Sisters are there, no matter how much time and how many miles there are between you. A girl friend is never farther away than needing her can reach.
When you have to walk that lonesome valley and you have to walk it by yourself, the women in your life will be on the valley's rim, cheering you on, praying for you, pulling for you, intervening on your behalf, and waiting with open arms at the valley's end.
Sometimes, they will even break the rules and walk beside you...Or come in and carry you out.
Girlfriends, daughters, granddaughters, daughters-in-law, sisters, sisters-in-law, Mothers, Grandmothers, aunties, nieces, cousins, and extended family, all bless our life!
The world wouldn't be the same without women, and neither would I. When we began this adventure called womanhood, we had no idea of the incredible joys or sorrows that lay ahead. Nor did we know how much we would need each other.
Every day, we need each other still. Pass this on to all the women who help make your life meaningful. I just did. Short and very sweet:
There are more than twenty angels in this world. Ten are peacefully sleeping on clouds. Nine are playing. And one is reading this right now.
Happy days!
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Post by Juliet on Jul 4, 2007 19:19:55 GMT
Big, big hugs for you, Aphrodite!!
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