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Post by samina on Sept 1, 2006 16:26:07 GMT
Well... surely we all must have some stories to tell regarding the recent exact transit of Saturn opposing Neptune? And perhaps involving the Saturn conj Venus of last week?
I found TWO new dance communities that I'll be involved with on a weekly basis; I experienced very romantic butterflies with someone new I met who is prominent in the dance community & who used to be a championship ballroom dancer, and am very much looking forward to seeing him again, hopefully tonight; I re-newed my aspirations & dedication toward my dance objectives & have been working hard & eking out tiny little progresses toward that end, but always feel acutely that I have so very far to go. And I've become aware that a friendship I've relied on very much over the last few years has experienced a major shift because she has falled in love & has shifted over into a new life.
That all seems to very aptly describe the 11th/5th house polarities involved in Saturn & Neptunes transit through my chart right now, wouldn't you agree? Amazing how that happens.
Who else? I love to hear this stuff! Sami
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Post by Amoroso on Sept 1, 2006 19:01:35 GMT
Sami,
So much fun to read about your dancing!
I am a beginning belly dancer, which fits in very nicely with Mars in Pisces in the 4th!
Anyway, just reporting in on the opposition. It is difficult to tell what is due to this Saturn-Neptune opposition, Eros through Leo or even my upcoming first Chiron return, which has begun manifesting.
But today I started voice lessons with a new teacher. I have been with the same teacher for 15 years, and this is quite a big deal, to break away from her and work with someone else. (Even the world's greatest singers, from opera to pop, keep up their study!) I am thinking of PM's quote "where the outer limits of the personal meet the collective," because not only is this going to free up and strengthen my own instrument, but with my contacts and positions over the years, this particular teacher's work will become much better known on the national level. Boy does that sound like Leo in the 10th. Sorry. Can't help it. Roar.
And I reported on the Psyche-Eros thread that I broke off a working relationship with another colleague of about 20 years. But everything has gone beautifully and it was a long over due change.
This opposition is hitting on the midpoint of a bunch of main planets in Leo 9/10, opposition Chiron/Eros in the 4th.
I feel like everything is hitting everywhere and all I can do is get quiet and let it wash through me! Maybe that's a meow instead of a roar.
Amoroso
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Post by gemstar on Sept 1, 2006 19:13:18 GMT
Thanks for posting an update Samina! For me, the Saturn opposition to Neptune on my MC-IC axis has been a bit strange. Because it is also squaring my natal Neptune as well, it seems to be doubly foggy. Or maybe illusive or deceptive. My thoughts of late seem to be toward my career and money. What is my next move....which way do I go? I peeked ahead to next years transits and thoroughly spooked myself. Ugh. Trying to be realistic with the change in my occupation is frustrating at the moment. Because I have my own time....it is freedom in ways I am not sure are good for me. By that I mean, my discipline has changed over the past few years....and my hard-driving goals are somewhat watered-down perhaps. This opposition certainly has kept me up at night thinking of where I want to be....how I want to get there....worried about reality vs possible self-delusion. Just a general feeling of scatteredness and worry that I fell OFF the track (maybe? Or maybe I am on the right track and impatient? ). Not doing a conventional 9-5 job is a tough thing to change in one's psyche. So, the Saturn reality is there as he moves into my 10th house....and I am hopeful that I will not make a further mess of direction in my life (Well, maybe not a mess but certainly far from a decorated success of corporate life). Truthfully, it has been WONDERFUL to do what I want to and to have been Blessed financially (for the time being) to take this time for myself. Life does not offer us these spaces of time too often and I wanted to take advantage of this opportunity! So....for me, I think this opposition is about my internal struggle of making my dreams reality. I have done it many times before and now I sometimes feel adrift. Not a comfortable feeling for me....but because of getting through tough times a few years back, I wonder if I allow fear to stop me.....because I know how Life can change in a moment. Silly I suppose. Not the best way to view things....because ultimately our lives are about that: making our dreams reality. I must learn to believe in myself more and look at my track record as proof if I ever doubt myself. My natal 5th Saturn conj chiron and square 8th Sun is a damper to my belief in myself at times...and makes me more serious as well. It can also limit me yet also gives me structure when I release myself from it's built-in childhood choke-hold. Thankfully, I have tr Pluto ready to square this and release further restraints. So...perhaps this opposition is about examining my IC-MC issues....and taking them into my 10th house over the next 2 1/2 years....wouldn't that be cool?? I have been through a lot of unusual circumstances in my 40 years and all of them have been an education. My perceptibility gives me keen insight at times....and certainly those abilities can be put to good use with a positive spin!! Good job on the dancing!! Argentine Tango has been a wonderful hobby for me the past three years....attending week-long events and participating with new friends across the nation has been loads of fun! Great for attention and super exercise! I am happy for you that you sought out some venues and dance communities!! Enjoy and just remember..they are SMALL and everyone knows EVERYTHING about the goings on....kinda fish-bowly so keep that in mind. Personally, I like to establish myself as an individual in these communities FIRST before I let the gossips determine my standing. The new gals always are subject to interest from the available guys. Like a swarm sometimes!! Hee-hee....still, I remain social and polite. Thus, I am able to dance more with all kinds of partners-married and otherwise- so my dance skill has improved immensely! The married couples are used to me now and feel less threatened (women) when I need a partner for a favorite song. Just my personal style. AND, I like to maintain a certain level of mystery. Keep 'em guessing!! Dance on Sami...it fills your Spirit! Hugs, GemStar
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Post by gemstar on Sept 1, 2006 19:34:05 GMT
Dear Amoroso- How fun you are learning to Belly-dance!! I have a learning video on Belly-dancing I wanted to try and did it last month...somehow, I pulled a muscle in my left foot!! What was that about? How fun once you get the hip thing happening!! Belly-dancing is having an upward swing in popularity I believe! The gym where I work out at has a Belly-dancing class no less! I wanted to practice at home before I took the dive and danced in front of others...ha,ha...hey, it is awkward at first!! The coordination is a bit tricky on one side for me....convulsions are not pretty!! Also, for me, I am hoping it will also help with my lower back pain...but at the moment, seems to aggravate it more. Have fun! Keep us updated on the new voice-coach! And yes, I think people would be surprised to know that professional musicians are usually in training...all the time! Every person has something to offer...just as you offer to your students! Glad things worked out for you and your colleague. It sounds like the results were positive and beneficial across the board-Good job!! Hugs- GemStar
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Post by samina on Sept 1, 2006 20:20:29 GMT
This opposition certainly kept me up night thinking of where I want to be....how I want to get there....worried about reality vs possible self-delusion. Just a general feeling of scatteredness and worry that I fell OFF the track (maybe? Or maybe I am on the right track and impatient?Oh, man Gem, I know exactly what you mean -- I've thought the same thing so often over the last couple weeks. And I always return to feeling like I'm right on track; it's just that the track is taking longer than I thought would be best. But when dreams do eventually manifest, it always feels so *right*, then -- y'know? So, let's just keep on trucking in their direction, and they're sure to eventually crystallise in 3-D... because ultimately our lives are about that: making our dreams reality. I must learn to believe in myself more and look at my track record as proof if I ever doubt myself. These words are straight out of my own recent self-talk! I wish we had a place for non-astrology threads so we could chit-chat more about dancing! I want to hear more about your experiences, Gem, and about your forays into bellydancing, Amoro! Enjoy and just remember..they are SMALL and everyone knows EVERYTHING about the goings on....kinda fish-bowly so keep that in mind.Yes, *exactly*, Gem -- I'm glad that when I first started with the dancing almost a year ago, I followed my gut instinct & kept my dating life separate from my dance life. Over that time, I've seen friends get involved, and then things end, and the guy is always there when they go out dancing, and the dramas begin as they start redirecting their attentions. I knew that I would eventually want to be involved with someone very established in the dance community, so I decided to wait until I got good enough, and familiar enough with the terrain, for that to happen. Last week (on the day that tr. Sat/Venus were exactly conjunct) I met the owner of a studio that hosts the most well-attended social in the area, and that's when I experienced those romantic butterflies. And if it turns out the interest is mutual, I will *not* be side-lining this connection. Amoro, your starting with a new voice coach is HUGE in the scheme of things! I really get what a significant change that is. I hope it feels like a great fit, and that it launches you forward in the direction you want to go! And wow -- lots of watery energy going on with you. Let it wash over you, indeed... and keep it moving with all that hip-shaking! LOL Looking forward to hearing more, Sami
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Post by gemstar on Sept 1, 2006 20:33:29 GMT
Hey Samina...gotta love the Saturn-Venus connection!! How fabulous he owns the venue!! Butterflies are awesome and dancing just makes your heart swoon! A man who knows how to move on the dance floor is a major turn-on! I am so happy that you followed your gut this past year and I was laughing as I read your post about the drama post-dating of dance members. It is the same ol story and really junior high school at times!! Hee-hee. Congrats on your new dance man. Sounds really great that he is interested as well in you and certainly sharing a fabulous outlet like DANCE will make for wonderful...well, you know.... Hugs- GemStar
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Sept 1, 2006 23:22:44 GMT
Hi all,
Well, I've been through some emotional hell, pretty much of my own making! Tr. Saturn has been sitting on my Asc (17 Leo) and heading for my Moon (18 Leo) with tr. Nep on my Dsc and Chiron (18 Aqu). Neptune has been over there awhile now, of course, and things have been fine - but man, once Saturn hit my Asc - yikes! Put to the Saturn test, I guess.
My new guy (new since June and away most of the summer) hadn't called me in many days and I started getting anxious - plus I wasn't sleeping well and having too much caffeine in the afternoon to make up for it, which of course led to more problems sleeping... Puts you in a vulnerable place emotionally when you're sleep deprived. Monday noon I emailed him with a casual 'so what have you been up to' which wasn't returned by late night, so I made the phone call which one should never make to a guy - I tried to not sound frantic on his voicemail, but I'm sure anxiety still came through. Gads. So he emailed back (it was late and he's 3 hrs earlier time zone) with a vague email that didn't make it better. And didn't call me back for 3 more days and I thought maybe never or with one of those "I'm sorry to have to tell you..." Ugh.
Meanwhile I knew Saturn on my Asc/Moon is the whole problem (altho I have Asc/Moon trine natal Sat, my natal Sat is square my Sun). I saw my healer/bodyworker person Tue. who helped me with the need to invent positive scenarios with what to say when he calls next. Which took another couple of days, but he did call yesterday when I got home from work and I'd gotten myself in a positive space and things seemed re-connected and positive. Phew!
Unfortunately, I'll have Saturn living with me a long time now since it will retro to station on my Moon next spring (but hey, at least it's out of my 12th house, which was horrible!). I think it's time to take responsibility (Saturn) for my emotional stuff and really be solid on my end of a relationship, which I've never been able to do. On Thursday, before he called, I went for a long walk and just asked the Universe to find myself 1-2 years from now having learned how to be in a genuine relationship, learned how to love and how to be loved (Saturn in Leo), and even if it's intensely challenging sometimes that it also turns out to be the most rewarding time in my life relationship-wise. (I have a promising Solar Ret and Venus Ret coming up.) And I need a partner to stick around in order to learn those things and have those experiences - awfully hard if it's always just non-commital dating!
Anyway, it was gratifying to hear from the guy. Maybe I can learn these things - a little Saturn for reality and a little Neptune for learning to let go and imagine possibilities.
3HN
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 2, 2006 21:40:15 GMT
Hi 3HN, - a little Saturn for reality and a little Neptune for learning to let go and imagine possibilities. That's such an apt affirmation. Saturn Asc and Saturn Moon do coincide with a great deal of hard inner work. I think, with the Moon, we get such a hit of 'what constitutes love for me? What is nourishing for me?" and the operant words are 'for me'. It's a time to strip away all the beliefs that our family, parents, society and culture embedded in us about love and nourishment and find out what is authentic for us. It takes courage and the ability to, for a time, be alone. Saturn seems to transform through isolation at times and although it is the hardest process --doing it alone-- it can have the greatest results. Neptune asks us to let go of the unauthentic past and perhaps expiate something from long ago. Your ability to visualize yourself some time in the future with the qualities you want to develop is a very supportive practice. Thanks for that. Sami, I so agree with Gem! The way a man moves on the dance floor says a lot about how comfortable he is in his body...and if he's comfortable in his body, well, that's always great news! Amoroso, when you said I feel like everything is hitting everywhere and all I can do is get quiet and let it wash through me! I had to go look at your chart because I thought, oh that's Neptune speaking to us through her....and there is was, T. Neptune moving in to conjunct your progressed Mercury. I think the next few years will be singular in their creativity for you, through the written, spoken and ‘sung’ word--as long as you do 'let it wash through you'. Warmly, Kim
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Post by Juliet on Sept 2, 2006 22:29:20 GMT
Solar return day today, and the last two days have seen my health deteriorating and my mind suddenly quite vacant and far far away from love and sex and P. I fell twice with my bike last week, (in the Netherlands, everybody owns at least one bike and it's thé common means of transportation...) and yesterday my right leg got infected from the knee down, and I feel quite sick now. My brakes suddenly gave out! What a way to begin the new year... I feel disoriented and strange. It looks pretty awful and I don't feel any pain! Sun will be on my Sun, and Moon will be trining it from the position of my natal Cap Moon today! Love, Juliet
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Post by Amoroso on Sept 3, 2006 0:21:03 GMT
Dear Juliet,
Please feel better soon! With Neptune ruling feet and Saturn ruling skin, I am wondering if there is a conenction there somehow, especially with a transit or two of other things going on. Or am I reaching?
However, I have a case of nasty exzema on my feet right now that is keeping me awake at night Same feet and skin thing.
Kim, Thanks for pointing out that T Neptune on progressed Mercury! I would not have realized that. Well, it will either help with the dreamy and musical communications or turn me into a blithering fog....
Amoroso
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Post by gemstar on Sept 3, 2006 0:29:22 GMT
Hey Juliet-Happy Birthday! So sorry to hear of your bike injuries...it sounds painful! Take care of that infection as soon as possible!! Clean it well....get all the gravel out (sounds like there may be further dirt and gravel embedded in the wound which is creating further irritations!) WOW...that photo of the Netherlands with the ga-zillions of bicycles parked there is amazing! Who knew? I didn't and think it is kinda neat! Well, not so cool if bike injuries happen frequently. Take care of yourself! Hopefully that solar return Moon trining your Sun will bring good things for you this upcoming year!! Hey 3HN-I forgot to mention, regarding your friend who became somewhat obsessed about Tango....yep, there is something which takes over in the most unusual way with Argentine Tango. Can't describe it and have seen many, many ballroom and salsa dancers abandon their primary dance to solely dance ARG Tango. It is a different feel spiritually and one which is like no other dance when you are truly connected!! The discipline is very specific and takes so much work to perfect. The rewards are soooo worth the efforts! It is a Neptunian dance for sure....spiritual, dreamy, sensual, connected, and highest of heart connections in the dance! Amoroso- I too liked your words which Kim pointed out...I understood them CLEARLY!! Nicely said! Hugs- GemStar
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Sept 3, 2006 1:31:28 GMT
Thank, Kim. I appreciate your thoughts on focusing on 'what constitutes love for me? What is nourishing for me?" and the operant words are 'for me'. ... time to strip away all the beliefs that our family, parents, society and culture embedded in us about love and nourishment and find out what is authentic for us." The thing is that I have already been alone all my life except for a 3-yr relationship 12 years ago (otherwise intermittent dating). So I already know 'alone' but I don't know how to get love and nourishment when in a relationship. Which seems to me I need to be in an actual relationship to learn how to do! My upcoming solar return puts nearly all my personal planets in my 7th house - so it certainly looks like a relationship-oriented year: s56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/3rdhousenorth/?action=view¤t=solarreturn2.gif&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1So how do I square having Saturn on my Moon with a SR chart like that? I guess Saturn moves away from my Moon for about 6 months before it comes back to station on it again next spring. Maybe it comes back to test how well I've done my work in the interim? Gemstar - I guess that's why my friends calls Tango a "3-minute love affair" with every dance. Samina - Good luck with the new romance! Let us know how it goes... 3HN
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Sept 3, 2006 1:38:49 GMT
Oh, and Juliet, I hope you've seen a doctor about that leg. Seriously, infections like that can get out of control - do be careful! And report back to us so we know you're okay. Sheesh, what a way to start a year.
3HN
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Post by AquarianEssence on Sept 3, 2006 10:51:56 GMT
Juliet, you need to take care of this immediately. If you can't get quick medical attention or want to care for it yourself find the herbal tincture called Swedish Bitters. It is made in Erope I believe, the recipe was revived by Austrian Herbalist, Maria Treban. It will kill any infection. Also internally, Goldenseal with Echinacea. Please, I'm worried about you. Those symptoms are not good.
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Post by Juliet on Sept 4, 2006 9:35:56 GMT
Dear Aqua, Thanks for your advice and sympathy... Went to the doctor's this early morning, and he concluded there's such an immense haemorage in my calf, my body's reactions are normal, even the fever! He said the body uses enormous amounts of energy to repair such damage. I need to rest with my leg elevated, apply wet towels, and need to come back to check my knee when my calf is better. Any suggestions as what to use to speed up the healing process???
I had a great birthday after all, my family was there and we ate and drank together! Love, Juliet
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