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Post by ana on Aug 11, 2006 3:31:29 GMT
The opp is lurking around my vertical axis with Aq at the top in late9 and Leo in late 3/4 I have been trying to sell my house for some time It is in a rural area where the prices are lowering since a boom, due to unemployment in area -this is the bit that needs resolution under the aspect I wanted just to get back what I paid for it but it did not sell Also I was trying to do it without an agent Finally gave in and got an agent and sold it at a loss to the only serious buyer.... around the full moon....maybe Then the buyer got a pest control inspection person to come who was a mate of his Guess what? He found termites in the garden Well my garden is in a fertile bush position with trees and wild life and ....termites who are the natural way to break down old wood to turn it back into earth They are part of good ecology and with all the wood in the garden will never need to start on the house They are not in the house The PC quoted $3,500 for a treatment and the buyer expected me to reduce the price to cover that which was just not on Well he rather came unstuck here as I used to work for the very best ecofriendly saintly pest controller who works for politicians and millionaires and who sits down and gives counselling to people to come to terms with spiders instead of killing them........ and my friend said the price should not be above $700 [ Neptune-Aquarius part] So I rather lost faith in the buyer who I had thought was a sweet guy till then and feel resentful that he wanted to use dishonest means to try and pressurize me We have a temporary ceasefire til the building inspection is done I have Nep going towards opp to my Sun/Pluto and am rather p..d off
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Post by Amoroso on Aug 15, 2006 20:29:09 GMT
Jade, your comments reminded me how important it is to take a look at the whole chart and its relationship to your other charts to get a feel for how energies will be felt by individuals. I have Vesta-Neptune-ASC semi-sextile Saturn, which is not as strong as the opposition, but I think when the unveiling of illusion happens, I can get with the program pretty quickly!
Gem, you wrote, "I prefer to believe that if a person is realistic and does the hard work along the way (meaning-not shoving issues under the rug but facing things head-on), Saturn comes along to strengthen the fort." I couldn't agree more--that is one of the many things I have learned since joining the forum. And if one is not living one's Saturn strength--like any other planet, one projects it onto others and it is not always reflected very well. I have projected my Saturn onto my husband for most of my adult life. I am reclaiming the energy as my own these days, another personal manifestation of the opposition.
Be well! Amoroso
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Post by AquarianEssence on Aug 16, 2006 10:06:10 GMT
I see that as Saturn, who demands limits and boundaries opposes Neptune, who lacks boundaries and goes on infinately, the Intn'l Astronomical Union is deciding the fate of UB313, Pluto and many other bodies in a meeting beginning 8/21 lasting up till 9/1. At the local level they've been deadlocked. Here's the link news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4789531.stmCNN just announced this meeting, saying they are expected to define planets to include Pluto and those further out. I think with Mars in Virgo whose glyph also means minum and Uranus in mutual reception with Neptune, I have a feeling Pluto will retain his planetary status and a couple other bodies will be promoted. What do you all think? Notice that its likely Sun will have moved into Virgo before the decision is made and is moving away from closeness to Saturn. The boundaries are being dissolved as we speak. Yesterday as I was doing some cleaning I started noticing similar pain in my right arm I've had in my left, maybe connected to the ulnar thing they noticed on the EMG. Anyway, traditional astrology puts the 1st house as health. Saturn is now just over a degree away from my ascendant. Hmmm.
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Post by gemstar on Aug 16, 2006 11:44:23 GMT
Amoroso...How wonderful for you that you are reclaiming those projections! Taking responsibility for many things in this life is often hard to accept. I am proud of you for the discoveries you have made and are now revitalizing yourself in ways which needed to be accomplished! Lots of people DO sweep issues under the rug.....issues in their marriage, themselves, work relationships, friendships, issues with children, jealousies etc.....the list is endless it seems. The truth does not have to be painful, it is all in the discovery that we can look at things in a new light. Even if the issue is painful in content, well, I look at it is an opportunity! And opportunity to improve myself and whatever needed addressing!! There are loads of people out there who blame everyone else....FOR NEARLY EVERYTHING WHICH GOES WRONG. While it is always the case we only see one side of the story, you can get a sense of a person's personality anyway. You know the ones....instead of them looking for where to step up, they lay blame on their boss, the cashier, the doctor, their spouse, their bank, their teacher......why is it so difficult to look at themselves? It is far easier to work on yourself than try to control someone else! (It doesn't seem to work so well if you want someone else to change!!). I hope this transit continues to open the eyes of many....not only worldwise but here within ourselves. It is my wish that more people take ownership of their thoughts and actions.....and try to make an effort to point less 'blame' at others. It seems to be rare anymore to find people who do not take the shortcuts in life and face the music head-on! Bravo to all those folks who enjoy music! Hugs- GemStar
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Post by samina on Aug 16, 2006 14:22:24 GMT
I have projected my Saturn onto my husband for most of my adult life. I am reclaiming the energy as my own these days, another personal manifestation of the opposition.Your statement has so much power, Amoro! I can feel your strength and flowering energy, and it inspires that in me! It is my wish that more people take ownership of their thoughts and actions. Three cheers, Gem. It is indeed a challenging task to own one's own mind. To my way of thinking, everything good, healthy, and peaceful stems from the power of that kind of sovereignty. My prayer for the world during this opposition is that a tidal wave of minds wake up to how they have allowed themselves to be deceived by people they mistakenly or blindly trusted with authority in their lives, and realize they weren't victims in this deceit, but that the responsibility to see things clearly lies in the mind of each individual. I think that process is also represented by Saturn & Neptune coming together. The world theatre is such a mess, and I don't see it can ever shift into a beneficent direction until many more of us become less manipulatable by the few... I couldn't wish for this shift with more heartfelt sentiment. Aquarian -- time to get ready to gird your loins with Saturn about to hit your Ascendant, ay? I know that Saturn does put stress on the physical body during that transit, with weight loss being very common, but I wouldn't flinch & expect anything dire -- you may feel more solid & stronger and less topple-able, if that makes sense, you know what I mean? Like your strength and fortitude goes down to your core, with your personal direction coming into similar focus. Maybe the pain you're feeling is just an adjustment of your energies to the stronger frequencies of this transit, which is near to such a pivotal axis in your chart! Hugs to all, samina
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Post by tom on Aug 17, 2006 22:40:31 GMT
wow, so much here, have read most but not all of it. jadeii wrote I understand this so well in the sense that we can become just plain fed up with certain patterns and places where you say we become drained psychically.
and i got something re patterns: i reconnected with the sun-on-my-anti-vertex woman this last weekend (and she met my girlfriend, which was great), and we agreed to begin talking about all the things(/feelings) we've avoided talking about since we met, having been afraid of a few things between us. now, neither of us can keep quiet - it's such a drain to repress things, and our emotional innards just want to be straight with each other. her venus is 16 scorpio (conjunct mercury-uranus), on my sun, so we're each experiencing t-square energy with this saturn-neptune opposition, energy of having to do something. in my 5th/11th, in her 3rd/9th (and saturn on her 9th house mars).
and re places: i've taken a new job at the institution, with an academic group (much more my style/pace than where i've been for two years) - the environment i've been in in no way suits me, so much extraneous noise, subject matter that i don't care about, inconsiderate coworkers. today i realized that i took this job when saturn hit my MC, and now it's at the cusp of the 11th, and the job's done. also had a spurt of being in demand as an astrologer as soon as i accepted the new job - clearing out space is making room for the good stuff.
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Post by gemstar on Aug 17, 2006 22:57:10 GMT
Congrats Tom! Looks like all kinds of new things are opening up for you!! Wonderful!
Lots of change continues around everyone it seems! I will be back to comment further!
Hugs- GemStar
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Aug 19, 2006 12:41:04 GMT
As Saturn is just a degree away from my Ascendant - and Moon (17/18 Leo) - I've been feeling a bit lonely and unsociable. I want to be with people, but feel a bit detached. Guess that's Saturn for ya.
This is such a change from what I had been experiencing once Jupiter squared my Asc/Moon early in the year - I got unusually sociable, and I loved it! I guess when tr Jupiter comes up and squares the Saturn-Neptune opposition it'll make things, um, interesting.
Meanwhile my new guy (15 Leo) is hard at work with Saturn on his Sun. After his recent visit, he won't return to my area until mid-Sept. So with Neptune on my Dsc opp Moon, and him far away, he's feeling again like "my imaginary friend" instead of my boyfriend!
When he's back, I'll have had my Venus return (Sept 7) and solar return (Sept 10), both of which show lots of activity in the 5th house (VR) and 7th house (SR). I would think that either things will continue with this new relationship or some other one will have to come in, given all that activity, no? Of course Sat-Nep still continue on the Asc/Moon-Dsc through the fall. Sigh.
3HN
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Post by samina on Aug 19, 2006 16:38:29 GMT
Hey, Tom... can you say more about how you feel Saturn & Neptune are working in your chart right now? You have Libra rising, correct? I remember that our house cusps were pretty close and I'm curious about the nuances of the whole 11th-house Saturn/5th-house Neptune dynamic. I had to chuckle at something that happened last night that I think absolutely sums up one side of this Sat/Nep tension across the 11th & 5th... Not a meaningful, profound influence, but noticeable spot-on nonetheless. It was Friday nite, when normally I go out latin dancing and sweat my heart out for a good three hours. But I'd gotten that in on Thursday and thought I'd try something very new -- there's a beautiful hip new club, partly outdoor around a rooftop pool, overlooking the ocean, and very beautifully lit -- over an hour away from me on the Jersey Shore, and I've been meaning to check it out, to expand my options for "fun", or at least to check out what passes for fun for a lot of people. I've never in my life been into club scene partying, but I drove myself over there (by myself: have little black dress will travel! LOL). When I finally got there, a long line snaked out front of the place, and the bouncers told me that the place was "at capacity" and they weren't letting anyone in. I waited in line patiently, amidst all the complaining, as one-by-one, everyone else over the course of an hour abandoned ship. Finally, it was just me. I couldn't believe I'd come so far & would have to turn around & go home "without having had any fun" on my cherished Friday nite, but no amount of gentle persuasion with the head bouncer would get me in -- the owners & managers were coming down hard on the front door for having let so many people in. So, finally, I got the name of the bouncer, thanked him sweetly, crawled under the velvet ropes & started walking my un-partied self back to my car, the potential for a glamorous evening in an exotic locale completely dashed. But then, suddenly, after I'd walked quite a distance already, I hear someone hollering behind me: "Miss! Miss!", and I turn to see the enormous bouncer had left the club and was actually chasing after me! "Miss, come back; I'll let you in. I feel so bad. I'll take the heat for it... come on back and I'll sneak you in." Wha...? So surreally unexpected. And the guy did just that -- he slipped me in, took me up a private elevator and released me into the wild rooftop partying throng. Now, this is clearly 5th/11th house domain -- a private club full of hundreds of friends all gathered together to enage in some shared concept of "fun". My 5th-house Saturn has always had a bit of trouble with this, tho. And, true to form, it held its influence: I walked around, got a non-alcoholic drink, checked out all the bits & corners & goings-on with the ridiculous objectivity endowed by all my Gemini personal planets, sat on an outdoor bed, sipped my drink, watched the waves and the swallows dive-bombing insects in the outdoor light in such a way that they looked like shooting stars... and turned around and walked out. Beautiful setting, but filled with action that's just not my scene for fun. Next Friday: latin dancing, for sure! LOL But my point here is that Saturn & Neptune & those house influences were so obviously all over my evening, just one little less-than-minor piece of their far grander role. samina
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Post by gemstar on Aug 20, 2006 12:09:01 GMT
Dear 3rdhouse....Hang in there with that Saturn transit. I personally didn't like it crossing my natal Moon a while back and became the most withdrawn I had ever felt. Part of it is getting used to being more alone than ususal and being OK with that quietness. I sought the solace from only my closest of friends and basically laid low. Because you also have it crossing your ASC, it will be the only pass I believe. That is not so bad...and Saturn often brings us enduring gifts if we honor it's presence. As for your feelings regarding your guy-friend.....take it as it comes, without a label. Neptune likes us to let go of boundaries and expected structure. Try and take it one day at a time with him...if he is visiting, great. If he is not....there are many other things to experience without a partner.....so be comfortable with this too! Just take it easy and try not to let your mind get the better of you! Dear Samina-With my 5th house Saturn, I understand you CLEARLY. You GO giirl!! After having lived in Los Angeles for a time, the scene was very familiar as was the feeling of being in a hip-place and VIP club...only to find out that there was no thrilll or desire to pretend that I was having a blast when indeed, I was not. That feeling of surrealness happens more when you are alone and by yourself at a place like a club. Even now, unless I am where there are people I am familiar with or a place that I identify hanging out at, there is no desire to remain and pretend I am 'blending'. You simply leave. And that feels like a relief somehow...even for those of us who are social. Such a letdown in the end...but hey, you don't know unless you try!! Great example of the Neptune-Saturn opposition!! I see it clearly! I love Latin-dancing but do not have any clubs in town where I feel comfortable dancing. Actually, I just downloaded a new Salsa-dancing video and wish I had a partner to learn the more difficult dance combinations!! My Argentine Tango has me traveling 2 1/2 hours to dance so it is not usually convenient!! Thanks for sharing your stories ladies!! Hugs- GemStar
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Aug 20, 2006 14:32:04 GMT
Thanks, Gemstar. I appreciate your kind words and advice. I'm afraid that Saturn will make another pass - only once on my Asc, but it comes back and *stations* on my Moon (18 Leo) next April. Ach!! Then it goes ahead and hits my Merc/Ven/Plu in early Virgo and will station on those the following spring! The challenge with this Saturn-Neptune is balancing these opposites. Neptune on my 7th house cusp wants to blur the boundaries and keep it loose while Saturn on my Moon wants definition and security (although my Moon is also natally conj Uranus). I guess we're all finding out how to balance these things! It's also interesting with Jupiter coming in and squaring the Sat-Nep opposition to add a whole different energy. For me, it may alter some of my desire to be alone since it brought out my social side before. We'll see. And in the spring when tr Saturn will station on my Moon, tr Jupiter will be stationing on my natal Saturn on the cusp of the 5th house (square natal Sun)! Talk about opposite energies! So Gemstar and Samina also have 5th house Saturn - me, too! BTW, a good friend of mine is absolutely addicted to tango (and she used to do salsa also, but tango eclipses all - and she's in *great* shape because of it). The dancing sounds like good fun - I keep thinking I should take salsa lessons and never get around to it - maybe this fall. Thanks again. Feels a bit less lonely here! 3HN (Les)
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Post by samina on Aug 20, 2006 17:01:15 GMT
Yeah, Gemmie, you summed up my little foray into clubdom perfectly!
So, you've got a 5h Saturn too, ay 3HN? I think dancing is an *excellent* way to cultivate 5th-house energy for those of us with that placement. And Gem, I've been wanting to get into Argentine Tango, but I think one really needs a regular partner for that, don't you? It's such an intimate dance. As I don't have a regular partner, I've put that on hold. But I definitely keep the salsa going. At this point, I'd really like a regular partner for that, too, but when I got out I do have my regular buddies that I'm able to connect with on a semi-regular basis.
Speaking of the 11th-5th polarity, I'm feeling Sat-Nep tension in the area of love affairs as well. Something that seemed so ideal (Nep in 5th) feels blocked and fraught with uncomfortable movement at best.
The gentleman involved and I regularly run into each other socially at a local latin club, where he knows many people and often seems surrounded by a small posse of friends. He doesn't dance, but goes there to socialize, and has done so for years. When we are there at the same time, he is quite detached and cool, not revealing the ardor he has expressed privately. And I feel very uncomfortable about this for a number of reasons.
His detachment & apparent disinterest is a huge turnoff for me -- a deal-breaker, one might say. But the connection is still very strong, and I know it's mutual. This is also the first time I ever broke my personal rule against getting involved with men I meet while out dancing, so it's rather new territory for me -- am really experiencing for the first time the tension of incorporating a balance between personal & group objectives in this way.
Last night I saw him there with a group including some chic, very attractive party-girls who were literally all over him -- and he left with the group, looking quite cozy, everone hand-in-hand with each other. I was quite stunned and crushed. But then later, when I was back home, I got a call from him saying that they were neighbors of his friend, all married. And that lately he hasn't been feeling himself but rather in a bad mood and wanting to be alone all the time, apparently explaining why he doesn't call. And here's a strange link... maybe he and I "could go together next time" to the same hip VIP club I described in my Friday-nite story above!
This all seems reminiscent of the kind of high school relationship drama that was never my kind of thing, even in high school! Not my cup of tea at all. But thanks to the Saturn-Neptune opposition, apparently, it's found its way to my plate. I guess -- to continue with the analogy -- I'm looking down at my plate and feel I want to throw everything out & wash it clean... it's just that one of the dishes is such a tasty morsel... LOL
On the surface, I'm handling the situation with grace & coolness, but within myself I do feel very awkward about it. Tortured, actually. My mantra for the last year has been "don't get involved with men in the dance coomunity because things will get complicated", and now I'm proving that true.
Sat-Nep still hasn't peaked? Crikey.
samina
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Aug 20, 2006 19:49:36 GMT
Samina, it looks like Saturn and Neptune are in cahoots! Saturn wants to teach you what you need to learn and Neptune offers the tantalizing morsel to trap you into it!
I've always been uncomfortable with the 5th house games, too, with my Saturn there. This does sound interesting, though - that he wants you to go with him. Maybe he's experiencing his own Saturn thing (he's saying he's feeling like he wants to be alone, not himself) - do you know his natal info yet?
I think you're right about the discomfort of dating in that environment. I joined a social events group in the spring and dated someone I met at a party, but then didn't want to tie myself up by socializing with him at the next party. It felt awkward and I wasn't sure how to handle it. He might just be unsure how to handle it either, and thus the kicker of seeing him last time with those women. But it's good that he called afterwards - I'm sure he was very aware of how it looked.
This Saturn-Neptune thread looks like it could be a busy one!
3HN
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Post by gemstar on Aug 20, 2006 22:48:00 GMT
Hey Samina....I will come back later and write my comments about the dance community scene and why this guy is behaving the way he has been...the dynamics are unusual in that type of environment!!
And, I do not have a regular partner for ARG Tango...it IS an intimate dance and by far, the most difficult to learn of all couple-dances. My dancing has improved by 'not' having a partner in this case. Because it actually is an improvisational dance for EVERY step, you learn to be extremely sensitive to all leads...not just one person. There are different ways I work with the closeness in the dance....my 5th house Saturn is conservative and though very friendly with a sextile to Venus, is also careful with how close I let a random partner physically get with me. I will write more about the other social dynamics later with regard to your man.
BTW- There are several ARG Tango communities in Australia whom I have come across in my travels....which city do you live in Samina?
Personal note: A few months ago, I had a small cavity re-filled because the 15-year old white filling was wearing thin. I did not have any issues or pain with the small cavity-I didn't even know it was there! Since then, I have not been able to chew well on that side because of pain in that tooth. I swear the dentist must've drilled into my tooth-root or something! I went back and he was concerned about re-drilling so instead, he painted on some type of sealer to see if it would seal any small areas which may have leaked...or leaking air?? Supposedly so that the nerve would chill out. I dunno....it hasn't worked. Ugh.
There is nothing that aggravates me more than when I tell someone that I have pain and they do not find the source and basically, seem to 'poo-poo' me. Grrrr..... Further, when I was last in the office, I told them to remove the huge poster of the tooth diagram because when you sit in the dental chair, your vision line goes right to the gross green blotch on the chart which describes an ABCESS!! AArrrghhhh.....now you can see where my mind is traveling.
So....I am here fretting. Saturn opp. Neptune....the reality is that something went wrong...he has tried to cover it up....but it can not be hidden much longer. I looked in the mirror today and I am nearly certain that the back-end of the molar is starting to push down and out of it's place. So, I will have them take an additional x-ray when I arrive so we can compare it to the x-ray from a few months ago. I also went to another dentist to have it checked and this dentist seemed to think it 'looked' OK.
Well...it doesn't FEEL OK and my beautiful teeth are in good shape usually! Next to most people's teeth, mine probably DO look healthy....but that is beside the point. I compare myself with ME, not the older patient who has three sets of bridges and dentures!! Gosh.....
Anyway....I feel nervous and frustrated. Worried that I might lose a perfectly great molar (it was before pre-treatment!!) due to someone's making a mistake. That does not make me happy. How do I know what is going on when my mouth is numb? How will he figure out what happened? The other two small cavity re-fills have also been sensitive post-treatment and this has never occurred to me before. It is just upsetting......
Hopefully, all will turn out well. I will call in the morning. The dentist is a Cancer Sun and really wants to do a good job. He is new in the area and when I quizzed him after my first meeting, he seemed to be knowledgable with his answers. (I worked at the University Dental school while I was in college so after spending enough time around the oral surgery docs, I feel comfortable with what I need to ask!).
Wish me luck!!
Oh, and 3HN, your last comment made me laugh!! Could be busy??? Hahaha....
Hugs- GemStar
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Post by samina on Aug 21, 2006 15:15:33 GMT
Gem, so many parallels come up between us, it's quite interesting. I had a dentist drill a molar very deeply last year when it didn't seem there was that much going on, and he also filled it with a seal ("To let the nerve recover before filling it permanently"), and I haven't gone back in over a year because I'm not reconciled to giving the guy access to my tooth again. I don't want to lose it or get pushed into root canal, either. It doesn't hurt me, but I haven't chewed on that side for a year.
But it's getting near-time for me to face a resolution of this particular issue. I completely understand your hesitation & stress!!!! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you for a happy outcome!
RE dancing -- My 5h Saturn is also trine my Venus, so I'm quite similarly conservative about getting inappropriately close while dancing. I mean, I've got an overall chart signature of Pisces, which is entirely boundary-less, and so much contact-loving Taurean influence, that I can easily shift into a more intimate gear, but there's a lot of formality to transcend first. Even my dance instructor is always trying to get me to be less protective of keeping my lower body away from his when we're dancing at times, because otherwise I can't get the form & technique correctly.
Actually, I live in New Jersey, actually, not Australia. I do know some Arg. Tango places up here, but I've been so busy with all my other stuff I've never checked them out. And anyway, I don't feel I have enough ability yet to attend a milonga. They look like so much fun, tho!
Anyway, as for the man above, it'll resolve eventually one way or the other. I just really appreciate being able to identify the activating energy of the planets when they hit certain areas of life so specifically. And understanding the nuances of the 5th-11th axis are not my strong suit, I guess because my natal makeup historically has kept me a bit out of that loop naturally, dunno.
3HN, I have a rough time for this man -- the exact time is in question, but I have a good estimate. The synastry contacts are very strong. Maybe that alone makes him uncomfortable. Dunno. Anyway, I don't want to overanalyze -- for me the bottom line in this case is action, and his actions have pushed me away. Maybe the exact Sat-Nep opposition will give me a sense of resolution, then.
No one else is writing much about the opposition these days -- it must be keeping everyone on their toes! LOL
Cheers, samina
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