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Post by gemstar on Jul 31, 2006 13:23:02 GMT
Hello Everyone- As many of you may have read on different sites, there is a rare, once in a 35-40 year Saturn-Neptune opposition occuring at the end of this month. Additionally, transiting Mars will square tr Pluto during this time!! With the further addition of Jupiter trining Uranus. Talk about powerful energy!! How is this taking form in your lives? Do you have something which needs opening to new ideas? A situation overdue to dissolve? Is anyone feeling the energy building? How will the Saturn opposition affect your natal chart? Do you have any important points or planets which will be affected by this group of transits? Really, it is quite a lot of concentrated energy during those last few days of August!! (29th-31st) Any thoughts?? Hugs- GemStar
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Post by samina on Jul 31, 2006 14:45:07 GMT
Thanks for bringing this up, Gem.
What's rare about this particular Saturn-Neptune opp? Don't these two planets oppose more frequently than that?
I'm not sure what to make of their influence in my chart at that time -- Saturn will be in my 11th, Neptune in my 5th making a transit conjunction to Pholus at the same time, and both planets will be exactly sextile/trine both my 7th-house Vertex and 3rd-house Black Moon Lilith.
What will be activated in your own chart, Gem?
Am curious to hear what others have to say about this transit. Lots of energy going on, indeed!
Hugs back, Samina
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Post by gemstar on Jul 31, 2006 15:39:01 GMT
Hey Samina... You are right!! If it takes Saturn 28-29 years to circle the chart, this opposition would happen once within the 29 years. Ok...so the source was off 10 years...give or take!! Hahahaha....good catch!!! It is fixed up there!! **See Kim F's explanation further into this thread....so yes, it is fairly infrequent! Anyway... This Saturn opposition Neptune lands just off my IC/MC axis. Saturn is transiting at the tippy-top of my chart...and is passing into the 10th house. Neptune is hanging out at the end of my 3rd. Not much is happening there of late...though I did send out a resume this morning for a sales position as a recruiter for companies within my previous medical industry. The current 'house renovation' project is really looking incredible...I do want to keep it for a bit longer. So...I will need to use my past work experiences (Saturn) to find a job which will allow me to continue to create the other things I love! With this Mars transit, it will be opposing my Chiron in 5th....which has been being transited by Pluto from my 2nd. Not sure what that might mean..... The Jupiter-Uranus trine is just off my Scorp ASC, though nearly 3 degrees orb. Good things usually happen when Jupiter transits my ASC...and usually toward the end of the transit....so...who knows?? How about others out there? Check your charts and see if this Mars transit might trigger anything in your chart at the VIR 24 position or any of the other 24 positions. Hugs- GemStar
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Post by gemstar on Jul 31, 2006 16:09:17 GMT
Ok....here is a further excerpt to read up on this energetic time: "Saturn will get closer to the exact opposition to Neptune in July and August, and of course the transit of Sun, Venus, and Mercury through Leo will also add texture to the oppositional lessons and power. The August oppositions all fall from 19 degrees Leo to Neptune at 19 Aquarius, promising "spectacular developments from insignificant acts," a need for total commitment and a sense of indomitability, all of this leading to freedom from old social rigidities and a joy of human fellowship in efforts to make life freer and happier.
The point of most intense focus for the Jupiter, Saturn, and Neptune dynamic will be late August and early September, when Saturn exactly opposes Neptune from 18 Leo to 18 Aquarius, followed immediately by the Jupiter square Neptune the entire last half of September from 18 Scorpio to 18 Aquarius. There will be many things unveiled at that time challenging us to clean out our perceptual bias, purify our mind of old imagery, and follow any sense of dissatisfaction into a transformation of self, using our will to move away from the old dark or "musty" corners of our being.
The opposition and square during August and September challenge us to narrow our interests so we can get a better sense of the whole of our affairs, not surrender to a vague or generalized sense of futility or drifting disconnectedness, and find situations where our sensitivity, idealism, and ability to be intimate are rewarded with positive movement into our larger ideal.
During those months, keep developing connectedness with the larger whole of what's going on around you, become genuinely interested in the larger affairs of life, don't get too detached, and learn how to give things a nudge so they prove to be in your continued interest. Find your special qualities, and make them available to the larger work going on."www.aquariuspapers.com/astrology/2006/05/the_astrology_o.htmlWhere would this apply for any of you in your chart? Hugs- GemStar
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Post by AquarianEssence on Jul 31, 2006 16:11:21 GMT
Saturn will be conjunct my asc, separating by about 25' with Neptune on my descendant the 2nd time. I usually see the big activity with the Rx hit. I had a dream early this morning that once again, my husband and I lost two incomes. But, unlike last time when we were both fired and I was an emotional wreck, I saw myself in this dream taking it in stride with much more focus on the fact that the universe has always taken care of me in the past. This dream isn't so far fetched. My husband was due to be hired in after his 90 day trial last week but they said they were extending it 30 days, until this opposition. He started this job just before a new Moon and calculating an hour for a month, his time would be up Sept. 20. Fortunately, if they do let him go he's been there long enough for unemployment. There have been rumors that the company is in financial trouble and a lot of big jobs haven't paid (including state highway bridge?), and that they've been bankrupt in the past. I wonder how that affects unempoyement if they did it again. I also hear through the grapevine that work is really slow for my boy's dad. Neptune rules my 8th, Saturn rules my 6th and 7th. Saturn will be conjunct my ex's Pluto in 7th and Neptune is crossing his Jupiter and Sun and rules his 29Pisces 2nd.
When Jupiter trines Uranus across in 4th and 8th Moon will join my Saturn triggering my natal sextile to Mars, then oppose MC. Mars square Pluto is just separating my Mercury in 2nd and Orpheus in the 5th. Since Mercury rules my income, I hope this means the only loss I'll suffer is some 5th house product in exchange for income or my child losses some weight. Actually, my boys just came home after a week at their dads. I had some words with the younger because I kept seeing him put on weight with each week there this summer and, what do you know, he lost 5 pounds this time. Jupiter rules my 5th trine Uranus' loss.
At the same time Mercury will be at my prebirth new Moon sextile natal Saturn so I should be able to put my Saturn to good use here. Mercury rules my being in charge of my 5th and being in partnership/opposite them from the 11th. The pre birth New Moon is used to calculate the pars heyleg and Jupiter will be just separating from mine, opposite Panacea. Yes, I do look to daily activity (10th is 6th from 5th) as part of the solution. This time he did some swimming with a neighbor instead of just playing video games over there.
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Post by gemstar on Jul 31, 2006 16:18:03 GMT
Often times, when there are bigger transits happening for the entire world, we will see world events headline in greater numbers at that time. So we see this transit begins to correspond with the elevated levels of world concern and unrest.
What is most fascinating to me is that usually during these bigger transits, big things can happen to us on the 'personal' level. This is what I am asking each person to look at in their charts. Is there a larger, looming change for you which might possibly find some resolution soon? Are there things which are colored by Neptune which seem bigger than they really are?
Please feel free to express your thoughts on possibilities where this energy might touch on something--even in your progressed chart.
Hugs- GemStar
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Post by Juliet on Jul 31, 2006 17:02:26 GMT
Well, this opposition is rare, I found one (must have been several) on 20th of April 1972, 34 years ago!!! Ring any bells? I was still semi-conscious then, 14 years old. Sag Neptune was close to conjunction natal Saturn then, and Saturn in Gem opposite. I do not remember anything, just that being fourteen felt a lot better then being thirteen. My shyness started disappearing, I remember that much.
Maybe we could check what happened at the squares?? One square: 25 th of March 1980... Sag Neptune, Virgo Saturn. No memory. Oh, yeah, was busy partying and fighting with my bf (later dad of the kids) I would leave him in October. I would return in September 2001. Conjunction?? At the conjunction at 10 Cap at 13/14th of November 1989, my dear daughter had just been born (Oct 5th 1989) , Neptune and Saturn were on my Moon on the AC, and the Warschau pact started tumbling down. Jupiter was at 10 Cancer!
Fall Berlin wall: first openings in the wall on November 10th 1989.
On a personal level: I learn an awful lot by observing my daughter! She is more then able to structure her creativity, and is very clear about boundaries. Seems Saturn/Neptune.
Interesting! Juliet
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Post by blueorchids on Jul 31, 2006 17:27:37 GMT
This is a great question GEMSTAR and sent me to look at my own chart. For two weeks now I have been like a disicplined general with her face to the grindstone. I have also felt bizarrely like kicking lots of habits and relationships out of my life.
In looking at my chart I realize that beginning about August 26--- transiting Mars will sit right on my NN. Saturn/Venus will transit exactly to my Uranus 8th house, and the Sun will conjunct my natal pluto in the 9th. All at the same time. Meanwhile the mars solar arc will meet perfectly on the natal venus.
I have been going through a major emotional shift since Mercury retrograde. The Saturn transiting my Uranus 8th seems to be putting major breaks on my emotional/sexual energies. I have started fall inventory in the Studio, writing extra hours and ignoring Doc. I also feel like I am shedding a weird skin or something and itching to be left alone!
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Post by gemstar on Jul 31, 2006 17:50:45 GMT
WOW Blue-I am so happy you are sharing this with us! What amazing revelations and connections this transit is opening for you! As you reflect upon these changes and thoughts during this time, please continue to share more of what you are feeling. For myself, and probably lots of others, it is far easier to learn about transits and happenings when one can relate through other's experiences. Great...though certainly a challenge for you at this time! Shed on.....SSSSsssssss (snake noises)... And along with your feelings over the past few weeks, I too have been on a work-tear of energy!! Projects are getting completed and my energy is over the top!! Not as concerned about love issues and more concerned about things which serve my Life and where I need to go. Lots of opportunities to help others along their paths too have come up. Phone calls from people I rarely talk to have happened from people (friends and acquaintances) who are having Life issues....and the wisdom/guidance is pouring out of my Soul for them. Occasionally kicking them in the rear as needed....and hoping that my voice/words are not too 'tough love' for them to handle. Really odd indeed....and tomorrow is my Mercury Return no less!! Ok....well third Merc-return in as many weeks!! Mercury in Cancer located in my 9th house.....philosophical discussions. And yes, I totally shared these thoughts with every intensity of this placement trine my n. Neptune/ASC in Scorpio...oh, and with Scorpio being transited by Jupiter...NO WONDER!!! EXPANSION!!! (Or bigger mouth if you want to look at it in a different light!! Ha,ha....) ;D Sami-I am coming across articles which are showing this opposition happening between 34-40 years!! What is with that?? At the moment, I have been frantically trying to find the darn article I read this weekend which highlighted the various events which have occurred in history during Saturn-Neptune times. Because I originally thought it was rather dry and boring (So Gemini Sun of me!!), I didn't save the link. In further thinking about the current energies I am sensing in general, I decided to start this thread and ask others what might be on their plates. AND, if someone had not connected this current transit upon their charts, to begin to consider this opportunity which is presenting itself!! SO....the best I could find at the moment is this link for 'past history' regarding the Saturn-Neptune happenings. Adding the tr of Mars squaring tr Pluto is extra added power during this occasion at the end of August....quite rare indeedy!! www.thepoint.net/~fjernest/sncycle.htmHugs- GemStar
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Post by AquarianEssence on Jul 31, 2006 18:59:09 GMT
Probably in April of 1972 with the last opposition, Watergate was already underway. It was exposed on June 17. Saturn=the head of state. Neptune=shrewd undercover activities. This is about the time my step mom told me she they wouldn't be returning the $200 I had loaned them for a business investment. I had asked for it because they had already made their profit on the sale and I wanted the money for my wedding coming on June 17. Saturn=my father. Neptune=dissillusionment.
There are a lot of things about my 7th that aren't what they seem to be, that have been made to look a lot worse than they are but as of yet, I see no way to expose it or change it. Here's to hoping~!
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Post by AquarianEssence on Jul 31, 2006 19:03:49 GMT
I almost forgot, the latest headline: UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The U.N. Security Council passed a weakened resolution Monday giving Iran until Aug. 31 to suspend uranium enrichment or face the threat of economic and diplomatic sanctions.
This is one day after the aspect is exact. Saturn=sanctions
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Post by gemstar on Jul 31, 2006 19:14:08 GMT
Yes....I had read that was the deadline expected....and shuddered at the Iranian response that the world's forceful powers....Russia, China, Europe and the US were not more divided on the subject. So....yes, I found it interesting that the peak of this Saturn-Neptune opposition would happen just as tr Mars was squaring tr Pluto....
When we as Americans look back to 2001, there were many changes of a personal nature which coincided with this huge tragic event. For me, it coincided several weeks before with my awareness that my marriage would have to end. Big events worldwide are also mirrored within our own personal spheres at the same time. Just incredible!!
Hugs- GemStar
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Post by gemstar on Jul 31, 2006 19:34:21 GMT
Dear Jadie... I liked your idea of 'Breakthrough in perceptions'. How descriptive of this time!!! Searching for real truth in our lives...and living our truths is so important! If our paths have diverged off into the thicket, we are asked to give thought towards our desired goals and ask ourselves if we are moving in the best direction to achieve them. What perceptions do we need to leave behind in order to allow greater things to emerge at this time?? Hmmm..... Well, I certainly hope this thread is giving everyone the chance to pause and think about where they are during this time and how this energy will manifest within their own lives!! Hugs- GemStar
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Post by tom on Jul 31, 2006 19:49:25 GMT
i have not been keeping up with my own transits!! curses. thanks so much for posting on this.
my juno-lucifer-sun at 15-16 scorpio in the 2nd will be hit by this. i think this is about steadfastness in doing what i know i need to do. i've undertaken the project of transforming my body to make room for the energetic work i'm beginning to do (oh, wow - for a long time i'd say "the work i'll someday do"). it's big enough that i've doubted that i'm really going to follow through, but i feel i have to. i've been doing it for a while in small increments, but it seems the last few months and especially weeks that the stakes are noticably higher. maybe my desire to capitalize on this jupiter going over my sun? maybe pluto sextiling my 1st-house mars-uranus? maybe saturn squaring my sun from the 10th? maybe uranus squaring my moon-saturn opposition?
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Post by blueorchids on Jul 31, 2006 20:26:37 GMT
Jade, I love that expression: Saturn conj. Uranus "extremely powerful internal forces for change colliding with powerful resistance from the external world. Sudden changes others had not anticipated........products of gradually building tension within". I certainly concur with all of that. I have alot of tension building in my life which has been culminating and clashing for 18 months now with myhealth and my feelings for D. What is curious and almost fascinating is that I seem to be taking the tension and funnelling most of it into work (Saturn for me is always about bloody working at something--no free ride la di dah goofing off!). Right now I want to pack my bags and fly away to write (rebel uranus) but instead I am packing my head up and all its Gemini distractions and strictly focusing on my writing. No angst about spouse and marriage, no sweet lovely emails to D. awaiting and wondering which one he will respond to and which one he will not. It is truly bizarre. It's like the Saturn part for now is the boss and I am excising all the bleeding fantasizing that seems to have been taking a great deal of my psychic energy. Not sure how long this stance will last.
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