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Post by legolas on Apr 26, 2006 22:08:49 GMT
Hi Danae,
Belonging to a group Yes,that must explain it:Libra-rising will do the most there.with the amplifiers.No,I am not,nor want to be the center of attention,maybe my friends are Leo-like.Interesting to get my hands on their birth-data.And I understand what you say about Saturn,but I was thinking while transiting my 11th house cusp there was more emphasis/fixation on friends.Well,in the eye of the beholder my friends are special and beautiful....I don't wanna miss them.
nine house I understand now.Last year I myself went to a nature reserve where trees are,known as the wodan oaks.(if you look at the net,you will see that several painters has captured them in their art).They are centuries old,and in earlier days people came to celebrate and do justice among those oaks.You know that Wodan is the German name for Mercury?So,sometimes I like to be alone too...
The Nodes You are not out of line,my northnode is on my 7th house cusp,so the soul's purpose is there.. Very clarifying your nodeplacements.
Chiron-nodes connection,okay,but now I am going to sleep,so will be back later!And we have Mars both in Sagittarius.
bye for now
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Post by primamateria on Apr 28, 2006 13:52:33 GMT
Hi Legolas, I've been working on this but unable to come up with anything that makes any sense as yet - the node/chiron thing is a fuzzy one which I blame on my Pisces midheaven How does it work for you? Mars - yes, I noticed that... a lot of amazing energy comes to me via that Mars - but unfortunately only when I'm in a relationship. Try as I might, I cannot get that vibe without an 'other' to activate it. Its a bit of a pain to me, because of my quest to be independant and self-sufficient - whole. I'd love to find a way to use that Martian energy well, because it channels into my tenth house - 'conscious reflexivity' - the benefits would be life changing. Lets keep up the good work! joy, pm
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Post by legolas on Apr 30, 2006 18:07:19 GMT
I have done some research myself of Cheiron/North node.Could not find much, But I have red some articles on the site of Zane Stein.
I would like to brainstorm on this one okay?Using keywords..
The bridge between the inner(personal) planets and the outer(transpersonal) planets.The wounded healer,the place in which your most severe pain is.The guide and the maverick..
So that would mean my biggest wound is the other/partner and yours in the way the world sees you. Conjunct the North node,the souls purpose.Our guide,our maverick,doing things in an unconvential way...
Very difficult.Is there anyone on the forum who has some thoughts about this?Difficult...
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Post by primamateria on May 2, 2006 5:25:57 GMT
Hi Legolas... brainstorming is a good idea - and if you want to read more about Chiron there are some really good articles on Eric Francis' site = www.planetwaves.net/astrology/chironastrology/ .... Ok...yes my chironic wound is what people/the world sees of me... in theory! It does seem that people see me not so much wounded but as very strong. Perhaps this wound is to my drive toward a highest potential or to my 'power' in the world. I certainly haven't fullfulled my potential (yet?) ... or other people's expectations of my potential, unless I was expected NOT to succeed, which has been the case many times. Chiron in Aries has a lot to do with identity...and the active search for it. Perhaps it might be useful to think of Chiron's other mythic qualities as well... mentor prepares the hero for the quest healer maverick/rebel and the wound itself.... James Hillman, among others, writes that the wound is the place where the divine can get in - the place where we in fact heal the most, and that the wound itself is the healer. I can't bear the thought that I have this horrible gaping (permanent) flaw there in the tenth house, so this last thought is very comforting. And may explain my stoicism/public face. And so can this childhood event: when I first started school (a catholic parish school run by Josephite Nuns) my parents were going through their divorce (I was about four and a half at the time). Divorce wasn't common here then, and certainly not acceptable in the catholic community we were part of. I missed my Dad a lot, and after a particularly lovely visit with him I found myself crying about it all to my teacher. I was sent home with a note to my mother explaining my distress - and Mum was furious, embarrassed, so as a consequence I was severely and painfully punished. All through my spanking she kept yelling over and over that I was NOT to talk about, cry about or complain about private business to ANYONE.... I'd humiliated HER. So this 'wounding' was also one of those pivotal moments during which I made a bit of a psychological break away from my mother and started to recognise part of my own identity - I also eventually found other ways to express what I felt - through poetry and drawing. (but I did stop talking about personal things to anyone but close friends) I think it was Eric Francis who wrote recently that the final degree of a sign is a place that is out of reach or somehow unavailable to us. When I read this I immediately thought of my North Node - because I've really worked on this 'souls purpose' theme but it remains unfathomable. Even if I take the draconic chart instead (moving the NN 17 minutes back to 0 Aries) nothing really changes... its frustrating! So I'm stumped when it comes to putting my tenth house together.. And you? How do you feel about your Chiron in 7? can you pinpoint an event in your life which has had a Chironic effect? Do you feel that NN blessing on your relationships? I'm going to come back to this in a few hours... peace, pm
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Post by primamateria on May 2, 2006 12:37:30 GMT
just quickly... I was going to spend some more time on this today but tiredness has got the better of me so will try again tomorrow. pm
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Post by tom on May 2, 2006 17:01:49 GMT
I have done some research myself of Cheiron/North node.Could not find much, But I have red some articles on the site of Zane Stein. I would like to brainstorm on this one okay?Using keywords.. The bridge between the inner(personal) planets and the outer(transpersonal) planets.The wounded healer,the place in which your most severe pain is.The guide and the maverick.. So that would mean my biggest wound is the other/partner and yours in the way the world sees you. Conjunct the North node,the souls purpose.Our guide,our maverick,doing things in an unconvential way... Very difficult.Is there anyone on the forum who has some thoughts about this?Difficult... hi legolas - from my perspective, the evolutionary astrology point of view, bodies on the NN represent opportunities/functions that in the karmic past seemed or were far from the individual. not accessible, or not permitted by various circumstances. so chiron there says to me that you haven't "done chiron in an aries way in the arena of relationships." but the story gets more complicated because of the rest of the nodal configuration (evolutionary astrology begins with the nodes and pluto, and the rest of the chart is brought to life in terms of them)... to start over re bodies in hard aspect to the nodes, in terms of the karmic past: 1. what's on the SN represents elements/opportunities that were plentiful. we're generally comfortable with these functions because we're used to them. 2. what's on the NN represents elements/opportunities that were not plentiful. these can be blind spots, or the things we're afraid to see and own up to, since we felt kept from them in the past - maybe we feel we don't deserve to own these functions, they're not possibly for us, feeling someone's always keeping us from them, etc. 3. what's square the nodes represents elements/opportunities that we encountered that we didn't respond to smoothly - we carry a gap in our experience related to those functions. these we know about and tend for a time (or forever!) avoid them, but the pressure is great - we draw these things to us for opportunities to do them a different way this time around. you have a lot going on with the nodes. this isn't the place for a full analysis, but sun-chiron in aries/7th + mercury in pisces/6th represent what you've laid out for yourself as a challenge to explore. owning your sun-chiron-mercury, bringing those functions of yourself to relationships of all kinds is something you've challenged yourself to do. inhabiting your understanding of pluto in virgo/12th + uranus-jupiter/libra + ASC is more comfortable (SN), but you've set out for this time around to take that comfort and apply it in the arena of relationships (NN). anyway, hopefully that gives you some food for thought from one point of view on the chiron/NN business. warmly, tom
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Post by primamateria on May 3, 2006 6:49:24 GMT
dear Tom, thankyou for your wonderful response to L's post - I'm sure he won't mind me saying so on behalf of us both. Its helpful and sensitive and I'm quietly smiling about the synchronicity of what you wrote and what I was processing overnight... and you've inspired a search for evolutionary astrology books! I'll come back to this again when we look at our nodal return charts as pluto is squaring the nodes in both. Legolas, I'm a bit depleted today so will do a bit of meditation and reading to recharge and come back to it fresh in a day or so pm
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Post by legolas on May 3, 2006 13:41:16 GMT
Tom, Thank you very much,this is very helpful indeed!But I am caught up in work lately and have to do some unfinished business before I go to Poland(little vacation with a friend of mine). So Tom,I am gonna think it over and Prima I will not have time to dive further into it the next two weeks,so I catch you later! One thing though,today I received an astrologybook which handles an article of Cheiron,and I will translate it and post it on another thread.(With a very interesting symbol of Cheiron and an explanation) So see you in about two weeks!
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Post by primamateria on Jun 9, 2006 10:17:07 GMT
Hello everyone, I thought I'd try to go over my Node Return chart again for inspiration... there's only days to go until this return, but it feels 'happening' already. I just found this article for anyone interested in the nodal cycle in general: www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/interpretlunarnodes_2.phpalso, Kim I just checked the declinations for my NN return chart - the moon is at 27'15 N - so out of bounds. Also, Mars Venus and Saturn at 18' North and Neptune and Pluto at 15' S. I'm curious about all this. is there a website about declinations/parallels and/or Out of Bounds Moon that anyone can recommend? blessings, pm
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Post by primamateria on Jun 11, 2006 9:55:39 GMT
thanks Jade, yes the ascendant of the NN chart is really close to my Natal moon, and the fixed star Spica. I don't think my natal moon is OOB, but the NN return one definitely is. I haven't figured out what it means yet (aside from being a 'far out chick' ha ha) but found another article: www.lunarliving.org/astrology/declinations.shtmlcheers, pm
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Post by primamateria on Jun 11, 2006 10:11:31 GMT
Okey dokey, I have an astronomical explanation for the OOB moon in my NN return chart:
A significant point to ponder is that the Moon's Nodes ( see Note #2) in their approximate 19 year cycle are tied into declination. When the Moon's Nodal orbit coincides with the 0 Point of Aries, the ascending Node will be crossing the ecliptic along this point of the celestial equator and the Moon then achieves it's greatest declination in relation to its 19 year cycle, about 28' 35". However, it continues for years afterwards to orbit at a high declination, to almost 29' at times, and then 9.5 years later, when the Node crosses the autumnal equinox point ( 0 Libra ), the Moon will be at it's minimum declination (approximately 18' ) and remain within the bounds of the ecliptic for a length of time.
NOw all I have to do is get some feel for what it means in the NN return chart, symbolically.
blessings, pm
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Post by svenskasfinx on Jun 11, 2006 10:20:11 GMT
I was JUST looking at my own NN return from this last year and the Moon too was OOB, at the top of the chart..
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Post by primamateria on Jun 11, 2006 10:56:47 GMT
ooh Svenskasfinx have you posted your NN return chart here anywhere? How do you feel your NN return has gone for you?
joy! pm
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Post by svenskasfinx on Jun 11, 2006 12:21:48 GMT
This is the one for last August- the end of Aug (so this didn't "take effect" during the travels to Manchester on my own last year) However it was in effect in a few important times so far, such as my son getting a school, and a few odd family things here and there.. I think the most important thing to notice is the opposition of Uranus/Sun in Piscies/Virgo.. and that the Sun is in Virgo for this chart in the 12 house (my Natal Moon sign and techincally conjunct it) and the Moon is in Cancer conjunct my Natal Sun in Cancer. The MC is conjunct my Natal ASC by minutes, the exact same degree..27 Gemini. I found myself the other day contemplating a job, visualizing myself in a job and realized something: I wanted more than what that job would offer me, and I never really heard THAT voice in me before.. maybe this is the "change of perspective"? I heard myself say "I want to be MORE than that." I note more than that is the Virgo ASC- Mercury in the 11th, and in the first house, Venus conjunct South Node exactly.. Venus also conjunct Jupiter. Mercury is Sextile Jupiter. Neptune is also in the 5th house, trined by Jupiter, and sextile the North Node. Although the Sun in Virgo is in the 12th house, I note it is also conjunct the Asteroid Eurtrope, the "Muse of Music"- I guess I will be dedicating myself more in music even if no on else "sees" it in these next 19 years. What ever the case that OOB Moon is sitting directly on my Natal Sun and Mars... I guess its the frutation of what I call "Emotional Motivation" (something I keep saying is best for me to use when I need to be Motivated... rather than any other award system. ) I will post my natal chart links and my last Nodal Return when I was 19 as examples, as links.. img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/kafkas_unfulfilling_muse/newspapers/NatalPanandothers.gifimg.photobucket.com/albums/v25/kafkas_unfulfilling_muse/newspapers/NorthNodereturn1987.gifThe last North Node Return was in 1987- it is quite obvious that the Moon is also at the top of this chart. It was conjunct my natal Neptune/Iccarus. There was also Jupiter/Eros conjunction in Piscies for this one.. As well as Mars conjunct the North Node in Aries in that return- all in the 3rd house. Notice also the Saturn/Venus conjunction in the 11th in Sag- And lastly Sun in Aquarius in the first house. Lots of different energies- Looking at this chart I also notice the interception of Leo in the 7th house so the Sun is sometimes considered a "co ruler" of the 7th.. although I've only seen it in one referance. I notice also that the Ruling planet of the chart is Saturn, in conjunction with Venus in the 11th, so inspite of Aquarius being intercepted in the 1st house, it still has alot of Aquarian energy. I feel that Pluto in the 9th was the transformation of my education, as at that point in time I had dropped out of school in the 9th grade and yet, it was starting after 1987 (April) I got my Equivlancy to Highschool, in spite of the challanges I had in getting it (mainly just transportation problems and money problems because I had to pay for it myself and walk all the way there because there were no buses to get me there then). So I went from under educated (even those who drop out of highschool normally get to the 11th grade) to University Degree in a prestigious Art School. From transportation problems to taking trips to educate myself on topics I enjoy (Urbis Punk Lecture in Manchester). ------------ I also have to note that I have my Progressed Full Moon in exactly 3 degrees, that will be this next month- (I also note that my husband has this coming up too, but in 6 degrees) My progressed ASC is now at 29 degrees Cancer to top this all off and will be crossing the 0 degree in Feb 2007; (that too will be happening to my husband but in the year AFTER). These things seem to point out that there are major changes about, and although these changes were in effect before the last lunar north node return, this is just the way these changes will colour themselves. I can't help but think that it will be a bit more "solid" feeling compared to the last Nodal Return with Moon in Scorpio on my Natal Neptune.. this has the reverse of Sun conjunct Moon Moon conjunct Sun, relationship/family/friends feel to it all. That is my prediction, I guess I'll be making notes just to see what happens. Svenskasfinx
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Post by primamateria on Jun 11, 2006 22:42:51 GMT
dear Svenskasfinx, thanks for sharing your NN return chart and ideas - its just so amazing how charts can turn up similarities like that. You're right, with late Virgo rising this chart does have a more solid earthy feel to it. OOh we should have a club for Gemini ASC Pisces MC people - and discuss career issues!!
Jadie Pie, all these arcane things about the moon are as much a mystery to me... but wouldn't a VOC moon mean more like your experience of your mother was a bit drifty?? Anyhoo, now we have a proper OOB thread so its all sorted - what a good idea.
now I just have to figure out what it means in a return... lol
pm
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