Venus Return

[chrissymgreen]

hey guys,

i had a couple things to share with you all and a question or two of my own regarding venus returns.

1st of all, earlier in this thread i posted my venus return for 2005. i think it's on page 3. it has been a pretty bad year for me venus-wise, and i am definitely looking forward to the month of march, when i will experience my solar return, venus return, and that month's lunar return all within the space of 5 days or so. those 3 returns look pretty similar too, which seems interesting.

anyway, i noticed some more things about my venus return for 05 that i thought would be of interest. i dont know where i read it, but i did read somewhere that the moon in a return chart is important, as well as *its relationship to your natal moon* -- a concept i know we are pretty familiar with...but i took a look at my VR for 05, and interestingly enough, the return moon is in gemini loosely opposed my own natal moon! it is ALSO contra-parallel my own out-of-bounds moon by 1°! this to me is yet another indication of what a crappy year it was. for the moon in a return chart to oppose your own natal moon would probably indicate a year in which you would have to struggle emotionally...in a venus return these struggles would be romantically-oriented, no?

also, i noticed some things going on with the nodes in this return:

• saturn (which is the traditional chart ruler) in the 5th squares the nodes in 2nd (NN)-8th (SN)

• uranus (which is the modern chart ruler) is contra-// NN in 2nd and // SN in 8th

i have read that nodal activity in a return is important and the specific activity going on this chart would seem to reinforce this...saturn squaring the nodes (and being the chart ruler) is suggestive of some kind of conflict, crisis, in 5th house areas? perhaps depression is indicated, this would be fitting. i certainly have been depressed this year. of saturn from 'identifying planetary triggers' by celeste teal: "saturn usually shows some delays at hand, but just as often reflects practice of great disclipline, which leads to some degree of accomplishment as it relates to the return planet. it does sometimes warn of frustrating barriers or the disappointing outcome of current activities." BINGO!

uranus (intercepted) in the 1st house being parallel the SN in the 8th also seems potent. "uranus signifies an unexpected turn of events, which may turn out to be a great opportunity or the reverse."

node activity is DEFINITELY worth looking at in any return!

i also noticed one other thing. saturn (traditional chart ruler) conjuncts BML by 46 minutes in 5th. this configuration squares the nodes as i mentioned above. i definitely felt the energy of lilith this year.

at any rate, i hope this helps you guys in your own return interpretations.

after looking at my VR for 2006 (and my SR for 2006 as well), i had just a couple questions i hope you guys can shed a little light on...i could probably ask these questions without posting the charts, but i like to see things visually so here are my venus return for 06 and my SR for 06:








my question has to do with how similar these charts look (my lunar return occurs on march 22 right in between the march 19 solar and march 25 venus and happens to look very similar to the solar). mercury/uranus are conjunct the AC in the solar, and mercury rules the 7th house. in my venus return, the AC/DC axis is flipped and mercury/uranus are conjunct the DC axis and mercury rules the 1st house. in my lunar for that month mercury/uranus are conjunct in the 1st house. ive been trying to wrap my brain around this, i know it must be quite important, but i cant quite seem to get a handle on it! mostly because i *know* what it seems to be indicating...a sudden turn of events involving communication with a partner perhaps (?) and im scared of thinking of it like that, i am not sure what to think. incidentally, mercury and uranus are involved in a tight aspect in my natal chart -- uranus is conjunct my AC at libra 12, which opposes mercury close to the DC at aries 11.

im really just curious as to whether such strong similarities like that are important in returns...what do you guys think?

i also have one other question...it's about mercury in both of these returns, the solar & venus.

in my solar return, mercury rules 7th and it is retrograde. i have heard inner planets (mercury, venus & mars) that are retrograde at the onset of a return indicate changes (?) in the area ruled by that planet...have you all found this to be true? is this important at all you think?

also, in my venus return mercury (which rules 1st) happens to be stationary-about-turn-direct. is this important at all? ive read that a planet that is stationary turning direct represents an outpouring of energy...or something like that. have you guys experienced anything like that?

thanks guys, for any input on return chart similarities and retrogrades/stationaries!


oh darnit, i forgot one other tiny little question -- are upcoming eclipses that hit important points in the return at all worth considering? in my solar, the return AC is at 14 pisces, and there's a lunar eclipse occuring september 7 of this year (2006) at 15 pisces.

i must apologize for asking so many questions! honestly, any general info you guys could throw my way would be much appreciated.


sincerely,
chrissy

[Kim Falconer]

Chrissy, the Venus, Mercury and solar returns (and often that months Lunar return) often look this similar because they occur close together.

Think of the Venus return as a reflection of the upcoming year's orientation to what you value, what you find aesthetically or artistically meaningful and your interactions in personal, socially significant 1 to 1 relationships of all kinds--business and pleasure.

Think of the solar return as a reflection of your 'year ahead' in each department of life--you on your journey to becoming more of who you are.

Return charts need to be read BACK to the natal chart, distinctly, not back to each other. They are moments in time that are only grounded by the Nativity--do you see what I mean?

Mercury Rx in both these charts reinforces that you will be 're-thinking' choices, decisions and modes of communication this year. It's not a 'bad' thing. It' not a 'good' thing. It's just 're-thinking'. You may reflect and then come to the conclusion that you will change a choice or decision, or you may reflect and then feel confident you took the right path. Give yourself plenty of time for this process in the context of the NATAL house 13-15 degrees of Pisces falls into.

The eclipses will 'activate' that return Ascendant--highlighting the NATAL house represented by this degree. (and, no doubt, the area of life you are doing all the reconsideration in!)

Post your natal and I'll show you an example.

Does this make sense?

Kim

[chrissymgreen]

dear kim,

thank you for your insights! i find return charts kind of confusing, with how complicated it can get when you introduce the natal. i get a little lost. that's why when i found that awesome link at the end of your return charts article, i just ate up mary shea's site, she has an AWESOME 24 page paper there available for download FREE on return charts. i liked the paper so much i went and bought her book "planets in solar returns" and i stayed up so late reading it that i'm puffy-eyed this morning. it is her opinion that return charts can stand alone for the most part. she admits some comparison to the natal is necessary, but she limits what she checks. let me see if i can find the passage from the paper, here it is:

Astrologers have tried reading solar returns as a single chart and have also tried to read them in relationship to the natal. Many believe that the solar return chart can only be read in reference to the natal and cannot stand alone. In fact, in the study guidelines for the NCGR examination for professional astrologers this is stated very clearly. “Solar and lunar returns are meaningless unless compared to the natal chart.” I do not know about lunar returns, but it is my considered opinion and experience that solar return charts can stand alone and be read as single charts. Ninety percent of the necessary information can come from the solar return chart itself. The information gleaned from the relationship between the solar return chart and the natal is generally a reiteration of what is already seen in the solar return chart itself alone. Although the added information is nice and provides further insight, it is generally not necessary.

anyway, after reading that i felt some relief because the return is a little easier to grasp when you can consider it alone! i know though, that some comparison to the natal has got to figure in, no matter how alluring it is to simplify it. ive even seen this at work, recently, since ive begun doing some research on important years for me and comparing them to my natal. for instance, like i mentioned, my VR for 2005 had a gemini moon which was both a little loosely opposed my own natal moon AND contra-parallel. i think this would indicate some emotional struggle or some kind of fluctuations in domestic life according to the houses involved.

oh well, anyway, thank you so much for your help! here's my natal, it appears that throughout these charts the natal 6th-12th house axis is highlighted for me -- the natal house that matches the Asc in my solar is the 6th, and the natal house that matches the Asc in the venus return is the 12th.

it makes sense what you said about mercury rx, especially after reading mary shea's take on it last night. she said it's a time for introspection, one may withdraw. sheesh, i don't need to withdraw any further from society, i do and i'll be a total hermit! do you think it's positive that mercury turns direct so quickly after the solar return? what i mean is, gosh, i'm just really ready to try and turn things around for myself (socially) but i have a hard time with stuff like that. i dont want to spend the whole year distancing myself even further from people, from life. celeste teal suggests that when an inner planet is rx at the onset of the return, the date it turns direct and passes over the exact degree it holds in the return chart is usually a significant one for the issues surrounding that rx planet. do you find this is generally true? that would be nice, to be able to finally experience a break-through or whatever you would call it. i've been having a little trouble with that.

i was wondering, it would fit that since both the solar & venus return emphasize mercury, that if you compare it back to my natal which has mercury on the DC that ill probably be experiencing those energies there, huh? in my personal relationships. gosh, that seems so descriptive of where im at.

anyways! i rambled a little. im running on lots of coffee. here's my natal, and thank you for taking the time to give examples and help me out so much!


sincerely,
chrissy

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Chrissy,

I wouldn't say that return charts are 'meaningless' without relating them back to the natal--no more than any transit chart is 'meaningless'.

I don't see them as 'stand alone' however, like a progressed chart (which is read both on its own and back to the natal). I think if you want to understand what a return chart is expressing, you will need to see in what ways it participates with your natal chart.

It's like any transit--return charts are simply specific transit charts remember—just another moment in time--. You can say, Wow, Jupiter is in Scorpio...but without relating that to your 2nd house and opposite Saturn etc, it has little personal relevance.

Still, if you relate to Shea's approach, go for it! Learn all you can form each teacher and then develop techniques that word consistently for you!

Can you show me how your returns as stand alones reflect your upcoming year? I'm open to the insights you've gained.

Warmly,
Kim

[chrissymgreen]

dear kim,

gosh, that's a really good question! i have made plenty of notes on past years' charts, maybe later i will share 1 or 2 things on those, but 1st i will try and answer your question.

i do think factoring in the natal is important, especially after seeing some of the connections between natal & return in the past -- despite being attracted to mary shea's idea that solar returns can stand alone. she even says that transits, solar arcs (don't know much of anything about those actually), and progressions matter in addition to the return, so basically she's saying right there the connections need to be looked at. and i definitely agree.

however, i have seen some ways that the charts stand alone as a descriptive report of the year, in some general ways. i hope this helps others with their own return charts..

1st there's my solar return for 2006. this occurs on my b-day, march 19. i posted the chart earlier in this thread, just a few responses above this one so it's there to look at. i will just mention a few things that i noticed that appear to be significant:

1. mercury is retrograde on the Asc -- this is definitely a year for me to be introspective, especially about myself. i think shea uses the analogy of the mind being like an overloaded file cabinet, i will definitely need to be doing some reorganization of my thoughts about myself. also, this could indicate i change my mind about something. mercury rules the 7th house, so i suspect changing my mind about personal relationships -- or re-thinking where i'm at with regard to one on one relationships -- is going to be an issue this year. mercury rx happens to be conjunct uranus on the Asc, so im perhaps open to new ideas...i may get some new information...i may be less able to concentrate this year, as my energies might be scattered. this is a good indication of increased creativity. i may be more nervous, agitated, psychologically stressed. this configuration is pretty important, these 2 planets are on the Asc cusp so they indicate a certain amount of actual activity or action.

2. the sun is in the 1st house, indicating a year where i focus on myself. it is also conjunct the NN, so perhaps there will be a special opportunity this year to set myself on a good path, towards achieving something important or special.

3. the chart ruler, jupiter, is in the 8th house so this suggests monetary and/or sexual situations or issues. there might be ethical questions regarding sex.

4. there are 7 planets in the eastern half of the chart, so this would likely indicate either self-motivation or no motivation at all -- it is my personal desires, not those of others, that will become important to my success this year.

5. there's no cardinal signs at all, save for the NN that is. this implies a need for simplification, focus on one major project or acitivity. also possibly a lack of activity.

6. 5 fixed planets -- change or lack of change is a major issue this year. changes are frequently all or nothing.

7. 5 mutables -- most likely changing circumstances

(given 5 & 6, i think i can safely say there WILL be changing circumstances this year, most likely made in an all or nothing fashion)

8. 0 earth -- financial limitations, perhaps...i have to say of this one, this is really interesting. i JUST bought a brand new bed, i've been wanting one of those tempurpedic beds and i found a sale...my mom had the money to loan me and i agreed to make payments to her through december of this year. it's not like i'll be broke, but this is just another financial obligation ive taken on and so i WILL have to plan when i want to spend money on extra things, entertainment money will even have to be watched. i work for a state college as a graphic designer and so to begin with my salary is a tad on the low side for my profession, but i enjoy it because i get basically 2 months off a year (combined holidays). i love to travel when i can! so money is a bit of an issue for me, this is why i live with my sister -- i need a roommate in order to live comfortably.

those are just a few things i noted. as for my venus return for 2006 (occurs march 25), which i pasted up above...this chart is pretty similar, with a few differences:

1. mercury is stationary about to turn direct, this is interesting. palden jenkins has a great book called living in time that says of a planet that is St.t.D. --

When the planet slows to stationary again (St.t.D), all is poised, and a surge of energy grows, propelling us forward into intentional and resolved activity, growing in energy up to the next conjunction with Sun, cyclically. After this conjunction, the energy begins to run on momentum, becoming regularised and taken for granted, until the ensuing retrograde period churns things up again. The universe keeps us on our toes!

so i would think that this is important somehow, mercury is the chart ruler and is angularly placed -- on the 7th cusp conjunct uranus. this is a focused and energetic combo, im guessing the theme again is one of changing my mind, of something happening (maybe?) that causes me to re-think things, re-structure...there's a lot of resolved activity indicated.

(i *know* i was making this list to show the ways i thought my returns will reflect or did reflect my year in a stand-alone kind of way, but here i must say something pertaining to the natal: this mercury/uranus conjunction occuring in both solar & venus on the angles with mercury being rx in 1 chart and sd in the other chart, this MUST be important, for i have a have a mercury-uranus opposition natally, with uranus on the Asc and mercury on the DC!)

2. the sun and NN are again conjunct, a tight conjunction here, in the 7th. i think this would indicate again, an opportunity, this is indicated to be in my personal relationships, something to help get me on my track and grow in some way.

3. in this chart there is a western emphasis -- 7 planets are on the left half of the chart. this indicates response in combination with others, maintaining relationships with others

4. i dont know if this counts exactly...but i noticed there is a 2nd quadrant emphasis in that there are 6 planets in houses 4 through 6. the reason i dont think it totally counts is because mercury & uranus are actually right on the Dc cusp and therefore function probably a little more in the 7th, but for now i am counting them because that's a lot of planets in the 2nd quadrant, and that means there is an emphasis on expressing myself both creatively and personally. this is the quad where self meets others. *i may need to learn to express who i am in spite of the risk of disapproval and disagreement.*

***********

and finally, i thought i would share a couple things about a prior chart, my venus return for 2005. i posted that chart earlier in this thread on page 3:

1. the sun, which rules the 7th, is in the 1st house 2° from the Asc. i think partnership issues were extremely important to me this year, i've been focused on the break-up i experienced for the majority of the return period.

2. mercury and uranus are conjunct by 5° intercepted in the 1st house -- interceptions generally indicate limitations & restrictions, frustrations and unfulfilled dreams -- boy is that ever the truth! mercury actually rules the intercepted 7th (virgo is intercepted in the 7th) so i think this says to me that something is going to change suddenly with regard to partnerships, a communication is broken (and it was!) and this causes heartbreak, frustration.

3. pluto is in the degree of the nodes, and it is the most elevated planet. i think this would indicate a transformative year, or perhaps a year where something is destroyed so i can get on the right path.

4. and finally, venus is in the 12th house, indicating a year where i might actually be alone socially, inner emotions are emphasized with this placement.


anyway, that's it! i know this is along post, sorry for that. it was a good question you asked, kim, and i hope this helps others with their own return charts.


-chrissy

[Kim Falconer]

Chrissy,

Thank you for your in-depth answer! You took a lot of time and thought with this.

I will read it over carefully in the next few days.

Terrific information and research.

Kim

[samina]

Man-oh-man, the patterns that come up over & over again astrologically in composites & synastry just keep blowing my mind, especially with this one particular relationship. I was looking at my last Venus Return chart and realized the ASC nearly matches the ASC of the man who has, this past year, rocked my world. And his Mars is exactly on the ASC, and his Venus is exactly on the MC. And of course, with Saturn so pleasantly on the DSC, it's been just the easiest thing... (yeah, right). The Venus opposing Pluto... very apt.

A couple nice things: the return Jupiter is conjunct my natal ASC and the return Moon is conjunct my natal DSC. That seems both fortuitous & romantic...

samina

[Amoroso]

Dear Samina et all,

Samina, I found it interesting that you posted a comparison of a Return Chart with a natal. This is what I was asking Kim about in the generic "Return" thread. She wrote:

"I'm not sure about comparing a return chart to another natal--what is that actually going to say?"

And she went on to say that it is the transits to the Return that are probably more significant in the life of that person.

If you have dates and times for significant conversations or intimate encounters or other events, compare the transits of those times with your Venus return and voila, you start to get a picture of things. Or, take his Venus return and do the same thing.

When I did this with C, I started to see that my influence on him was probably more Plutonic, "scarily" erotic and even more Uranian than I ever dreamed. Here I thought it would prove sexy and romantic, and it was really a different picture.

Let us know what you find. And if I get around to it, I will try to post an example of what I mean. Others?

Blessings,
Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

Yes, I'm not keen to compare person A's Solar return to person B's natal, EXCPET that it marks a transit chart for that particular time—in which case I would simple plot the current transits.

I compare returns BACK to the natal charts of the people having the return.

As a transit chart, the one above shows that your Venus IS conjunct his Moon, and that is like and example of 'people as permanent transits'. It will always feel like Venus on the Moon when you're around! (among all the other contacts)

He was having Saturn conjunct Mars at the time, which is exemplified in the V. Return, but the transit has moved off somewhat for him. YOUR Venus return doesn't keep Saturn there for him, but it does for you, until your next Venus return.

Do you see what I’m getting at?

Consider if it was a Jupiter return! That chart would effect you for the next 12 years, but the transits it represents to him will have changed much over that period of time.

Does that make sense?

Kim

[jamma]

Dear Amoroso,
I am interested in the charts you are talking about ... What did you see in the return charts that showed C's perception of the situation was different than your own idea of how it was working?
Could you post the charts and point out how you interpreted them?
Thanks,
Jamma

[Amoroso]

Hi Jamma,

I tried a few times to post charts and am having no luck, so I will give you an example.

I took transits to C's appropiate Venus Return for the date and time we met for lunch when I think things turned from the teacher-student relationship to something more. The first piece I posted on the Eros and Marriage thread was a result of that lunch.

At that point, some of the exact transits to that chart were
1. Conjunction of Mercury, Mars, Jupiter opposite his Moon
2. Eros quincunx his Psyche/Eros conjunction in the 12th
3. Eros trine Mars
4. Moon on IC
5. NN opposite Juno
6. Uranus sqaure Venus
7. Neptune square Sun

Etc., those are just some of the exact transits!

The last time I saw him, the exact transits to his Venus return were

1. Sun trine Psyche/Eros conjunction
2. Mercury/Venus trine Psyche/Eros conjunction
3. Psyche trine Psyche/Eros
4. Mercury/Venus semi-sextile Pars Fortunae
5. Eros semi-sextile MC and Quincunx IC
6.Chiron sextile Moon
Just to name a few
And Sappho was exactly quincunx both my first and last name asteroids in this Venus return.

So, that's just a start. It is really interesting, no? I wish I had examples from his current Venus Return, but I have not seen him since the new one went into effect.

Hope this helps!

Blessings,
Amoroso

[chrissymgreen]

oh yes, those transits to the returns seem to really be a good way to time events!

i have some examples which i may have noted before (forgive me if i repeat myself):

in my VR for 2005, venus was in the 12th house conjunct neptune. the day transiting venus hit the AC/sun of the VR, i heard from my then lover who told me he was ill -- he had just returned from an overseas internship and we hadnt spoken in a couple months at that point

same 2005 VR -- t. venus hit the intercepted anti-vertex in the 1st house, that's when he wrote me to tell me he could no longer continue a relationship since he was focusing at that point on his illness

in my VR for 2003, the year i met this young fellow, t. venus just hit the 5th cusp when we had our 1st date

in my VR for 2004, t. venus was parallel the return chart NN and in the 7th house of the return chart when the same fellow mentioned previously came home from school and we got to spend some very lovely time together

same VR for 2004, i met a woman on-line who became a really close chum (she moved to my area, DFW, texas, from austin, texas, and since she was looking for female friends in the area, she messaged me) when t. venus hit the return chart MC

i hope this helps you!

oh, i have a few questions of my own, was hoping kim or someone else could help...

in my upcoming VR for 2006 (a little over a month away!), which i have posted on this page of the thread, my natal pluto rises to the return asc. what are some of the positive things about this placement? i keep reading bad things -- like obsession, death, the like. i know one could also associate rebirth. anyone have thoughts?

also the sun/nn are tightly conjunct in the 7th, has anyone had any experience with a planet tightly conjunct the node in a return?

in this VR the moon/venus/neptune are conjunct in the 6th house and this corresponds to my natal 5th house, ive been trying to wrap my brain around this for a while, i realize basically the return chart ends up 6th house-izing my natal 5th house, right? does this indicate some kind of service or something in my 5th house affairs for this return period?

the asc of the VR (for 2006) falls in my 11th house if i use placidus and 12th if i use koch. which house system do you guys use? i know this is a little off topic...i was just curious though because i got comfortable with koch (i remember reading somewhere it was a house system that worked on a more psychological level and i liked this..) but now i recently read (i wish i could remember where i read these things) somewhere that placidus was better for timing events to the angles or something. was just wondering what you guys use.

gosh, i know i had tons more questions but i already asked too many. any sort of info on any one of these topics is greatly appreciated!



thanks,
chrissy

[chrissymgreen]

dear group,

just wanted to let you all know ive figured out most of my questions. i got a hold of rex bill's rulership book, so that helps me by providing key phrases for pluto. i highly recommend this book, it's a GREAT reference.

as far as the nodes go, i would still be greatly interested in hearing of any experiences you all have had with the nodes in a return.

and as for the mo/ve/ne conjunction in the VR 6th falling into my natal 5th house...well, whatever natal house corresponds to the return chart's 1st house is where you will most likely take a lot of personal action during the year, right? you will be motivated in a 1st house (aries) kind of way in whatever area of life (house) that corresponds the return's 1st. so by that logic i will most likely be very practical, perfectionistic, service-oriented (?), virgonian basically, in my approach to 5th house matters. that's about right, i think. with the mo/ve/ne conunction in the 6th...im guessing that the daily life, domestic life (moon) will be very influenced by idealized love or relationships (which i am definitely experiencing right now with t. neptune over my natal venus) which i will approach practically (6th). i think.

and then as for the placidus vs koch, i looked at my natal using each, and the only real difference is that using placidus, my venus actually conjuncts the 5th house cusp of my natal instead of being 5° into the 5th. this makes more sense because that degree is especially sensitive for me. so im sticking with placidus in this regard.

i did have one other thing id like to ask about, and that is stationary direct planets in the return. in my VR occuring this march, mercury is stationary direct. anyone have experience with inner stationary direct planets in the return? did it seem to be significant at all?


thanks!


chrissy

[primamateria]

Hi everyone,

I thought I'd try looking at my venus return as I've now got through analysing my SR, in which Venus is found in 10th, as with my natal chart. I've never done this before so please bear with me~

here it is:



The first thing I notice is that the angles are within a few degrees of my natal angles - except that they have rotated ninety degrees so that the MC is at the ASC, the IC is at the DC etc. As far as I can gather this indicates a VEnus year during which it is possible to focus my energies into self-growth and mediate some of the fundamentals of my character in relationship. A bit of a worry due to that natal conjunction of Pluto
Rx/IC/Jupiter Rx/SN/UranusRx implicated in the VR seventh, at Fortuna. Heres hoping I don't cause anyone an electric shock - maybe I should have t-shirt printed with a warning

Uranus is rising. However rude this sounds, ;D, it can only mean that freedom and the need to carry on in my own unique way unhindered is the real concern of the VR year.

In the first house- Venus and the NN, and reading back to the natal, NN and Chiron (which in the natal chart are in 10th with Venus). According to Kirby and Stubbs this first house placement of Venus indicates a period of learning important lessons about how I relate to the world, with relationships at the forefront of my attention, colouring the way I look at life. Also, learning to be myself around others, maintaining individuality and increasing the quality of intimacy with others.
NN there, both natally and VR give a karmic feel.

However, I don't hold out much hope for an actual 'love' relationship!

Its a strange thing but I feel that it might be time to give up ideas of having a partner - for the first time in my life I really do feel that I'm doing fine without a man and that getting involved with someone might be a distraction that I don't need. I don't mean to seem bitter, but don't know that I will be capable of settling for anything less than the 'perfect' guy (ha! Virgo speaks ), perfect for me, that is. Its true that this time is not 'forever' - but have realised lately that I've struggled for a long time with the need to be free vs the compulsion to do as others do, including marriage etc. Its got to be extraordinary or it just won't hold me. Of course every single relationship has been a gift, even my ridiculous marriage - without which I would never have been driven to work on myself.

Venus square Mars.. VR Mars is inconjunt my natal 7th house Mars (which is conjunct VR MC) The way (mars) things have always been vs the new creative focus of my life?


sun/mercury opposite moon/jupiter... not sure what to make of this - particularly as moon/jupiter are on the 8th/9th cusp, and a bit of a focal point in the chart. The only thing I can think of here is that I learned long ago not to say one thing and mean another, and lately have got into the habit of saying nothing rather than the 'wrong thing'. This feels like rebellion though, perhaps because of those aspects to mars and uranus?

It would be wonderful to be understood by others

*sigh* I am going to focus on my career - and let Venus help out with my household budget (she's close to that 2nd house cusp) and taking care of my girls.

Any and all comments welcome

blessings prima materia

[primamateria]

PS Chrissy, I'll be interested in NN in return too, so perhaps by this time next year we'll be able to discuss it This is my first year of looking into returns. Hang on a tick and I'll go back over my journals to see if there are any connections from last year.

I have Venus stationary direct in my natal, Taurus sun and LIbra moon venus competes with mercury for power in my chart. MOst graciously of course. Can't bear things that aren't beautiful - but must say that since I took drawing at uni I've learned to see and experience many things as beautiful through the 'thought of the heart'.
A nice metaphor for venus stationary direct is that she is like a living portrait - she 'stands still' with a commanding and compelling presence. This is not Venus in pursuit or being pursued. I need to be aware, though, of 'Rupunzel', waiting in her 10th house tower.
joy, pm