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Post by svenskasfinx on Jul 29, 2005 0:37:30 GMT
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Post by Kim Falconer on Aug 1, 2005 1:05:45 GMT
I liked that article. Well worth a read, everyone.
This is an interesting return with Eros on the Ascendant with Jupiter and the Moon. I don't see you retreating into the background for long periods of time, Seilou, that's certain.
With the Moon in the degree of the Node and the NNode in the 7th, I suspect a new and very emotionally significant relationship will ignite. It will be new for you (even if you know the person, you will relate in a new way) and full of challenges, excitement and adventure!)
Who else would like to comment? What about Venus/Chiron in Capricorn? What does that suggest? and do you think that Mars/Pluto might say something about the 7th house person she may be having this relationship with?
Speculate! Kim
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Post by svenskasfinx on Aug 2, 2005 21:28:39 GMT
I liked that article. Well worth a read, everyone. This is an interesting return with Eros on the Ascendant with Jupiter and the Moon. I don't see you retreating into the background for long periods of time, Seilou, that's certain. With the Moon in the degree of the Node and the NNode in the 7th, I suspect a new and very emotionally significant relationship will ignite. It will be new for you (even if you know the person, you will relate in a new way) and full of challenges, excitement and adventure!) Who else would like to comment? What about Venus/Chiron in Capricorn? What does that suggest? and do you think that Mars/Pluto might say something about the 7th house person she may be having this relationship with? Speculate! Kim Ok speculating! My speculations are that this will be a very forceful relationship, and yes the start of something very new and very challanging.. in a good way if you choose to use it.. With the 7th house ruler Mars in the 3rd house conjunct Pluto it looks like you are going to be communicating and this forceful, and perhaps even heated communication will lead to something more of a partnership. I see it as something that can get obsessive or even a powerful control of communication but with Jupiter the ruler of the 3rd house in the 12th and on the ASC of the chart (conjunct Eros and the Moon as well as the South Node) I get the feeling that communication will lead you to feel better and more secure within the relationship. Then there is the Venus/Chiron conjunction in the 3rd telling me that there will be healing and transformation within personal communcations.. but I could be wrong and those are conjuct her natal Eros/Venus conjunction if I'm not mistaken, so it would lead to the theme of healing in the sense of the Eros/Venus Love/Erotic area of life. Changes which will challange, but they mean to transform... for the better I assume. best wishes, sfinxen
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Post by Amoroso on Aug 2, 2005 22:04:09 GMT
I have been reading this thread with interest, espcially when I realized I share Pluto in the first house of the Venus Return with some of you this year. Here is my chart: i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/RealAmoroso/2005VenusReturnChart.gif(Remember--pass your mouse over the image and a red arrow will appear in the bottom right corner of the image. Click on that and you'll get the full image.) The above article from Cafe Astrology states that "Pluto rising in the VR charts points to a new romance that is life-changing." The article also mentions the importance of the vertex and nodes Pluto is square my South node, and Jupiter is sqaure the vertex, which is conjunct the moon. And that got me thinking about how to interpret these charts in general. I plotted the return planets into my natal and really did not understand the relationships. The thing that gets my attention in this chart is the stellum in 8th house Cancer and Uranus at the IC. Plus the point of fortune and Pluto are conjunct. The main question is, are we looking at the planets in any return as they color the other bodies? I have no clue what this all means. Thanks for any insights, Amoroso
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Post by svenskasfinx on Aug 2, 2005 23:34:39 GMT
.............. "And that got me thinking about how to interpret these charts in general. I plotted the return planets into my natal and really did not understand the relationships.." "The thing that gets my attention in this chart is the stellum in 8th house Cancer and Uranus at the IC. Plus the point of fortune and Pluto are conjunct. The main question is, are we looking at the planets in any return as they color the other bodies? I have no clue what this all means........" Hello Amoroso! These returns are transits, and they lend themselves and their themes to the planet they are "returning" on. The charts themselves signifiy things but when looked at with the natal chart, you get an idea of the transits which are activated and even stronger that time in relationship to Venus... possibly relationship themes. I also note that this year MY Venus fell into the 8th house in Cancer as well.. so I'm still reeling from the depth of meeting up and being transformed by the situations round me concerning my relationships. I can only assume that the Moon in Cancer with Sappho in also in the 8th house in the return can only signify an emotional out pouring of energy into things artistic.. and the Moon conjunct Vertex seems to say something about this "life changing theme" as well as emotional outpouring. I'm confused about a few things myself, however it seems clearer when I see things in other people's charts and try to apply them to my own.. Needless to say, our Venus Returns were in the 8th house.. as well as in the sign of Cancer, so that theme we both have been running into seems to be more than likely something we both share, and the Venus return charts seem to validate we are indeed going through some of the same experiences. Wow. Take care Amoroso, sfinxen
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Post by Amoroso on Aug 4, 2005 17:54:35 GMT
Dear Svenskasfinx,
Thanks for those insights. What do you think Uranus so close to the IC in the third house means in my above listed Venus return chart?
Lately I've been feeling a little afraid of Uranus in general. I'll start another post on this one.
Blessings, Amoroso
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Post by svenskasfinx on Aug 4, 2005 20:47:31 GMT
Dear Svenskasfinx, Thanks for those insights. What do you think Uranus so close to the IC in the third house means in my above listed Venus return chart? Lately I've been feeling a little afraid of Uranus in general. I'll start another post on this one. Blessings, Amoroso Hej Amoroso! I'm going to try to do this one quickly so forgive me any generalization.. I was going to assume that because Uranus is in the 3rd house nearly conjunct the IC it was in a fairly interesting place, where communications can effect the home life, but of course this being the "bottom" of a chart, shows more of its influence by being in Opposition to the MC. They say in a Natal chart (once again me being very general) that the IC is the basis of the psychological foundations of the personality.. I suspect if the placement of Uranus is in the IC (3rd house) of the Venus return it has a symbolic feel of being a deep version of a mental/emotional "house cleaning" (the mental being 3rd house, emotional being IC and also the foundations of what you have built your "Venus" self upon.. perhaps these are now coming into question, a belief system that is being re-organized?) It doesn't surprise me that this is a trine to your Natal Venus or the Venus return, not only that but the Moon is also aspected... being that both are in the 8th house It seems to double the symbol of a deep emotional "house cleaning"... or a change of your "Venus life".. As I said, its kind of different for me to read a return chart than it is for me to read a natal chart, but I'm trying to translate the ideas of what I feel it may be but thinking about it as a transit and also a relationship to a natal chart. Funny you should mention this Uranus conjunct the IC because I too have this, only I have it in Opposition to the Moon conjunct the MC in its (my) natal sign Virgo sextile Venus in the return chart just like in my natal chart as well... (it seems to sugest that I have an opportunity to let off some of that energy from the Moon/Uranus opposition into something I am naturally prone to doing anyway (considering that it mimics the natal chart's aspect) In my own return I interpret that Uranus conjunct IC as sources of an unstable home envirioment; so what have we just done? We finally removed things and such and painted the walls down in the hall... that's a better way of making the home unstable, do some work in it.. (paint being a Neptune/Piscies thing) I am not familar with your chart Amoroso; How do the other planets look in comparison to your mostly Gemini chart you speak of? Does that Uranus make a square? Any aspects in your natal chart being shown in this Return chart? Maybe we should get curious and compare the natal with the return and see what it looks like.. Blessings to you, svenskasfinx
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Post by Amoroso on Aug 5, 2005 20:02:50 GMT
Thanks again, Svenskasfinx, for you insights on Urnaus in my Venus return. It does sound like we have very similar stuff "going down."
Really, the only major aspects between my natal are Venus Return BML on the MC and Venus Return Juno in opposition to my natal ASC. VR Uranus doesn't square anything major directly, but it does square Dionysus.
I was interested in the VR Uranus in third trine VR Moon and Venus. That letter I sent C certainly is a reflection of that energy.
Blessings, Amoroso
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Post by Kris on Aug 10, 2005 9:52:53 GMT
Dear Kim,
I like to write a software on Venus return and link with my astrology package that I developed over time and use regularly. I find the task very difficult as venus return is not as predictable as solar and lunar returns.
I can go by hand calculation but I want to program it to avoid repeated hand work. Can you help me ?
Kris
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Post by Kim Falconer on Aug 13, 2005 22:10:57 GMT
Hi Kris,
I don't know about the programming side, but the top astrology software these days have returns, demi return and phase returns for all the major planets and some asteroids. I use WinStar, and I know Kepler is good as is Solar Fire (SF has many asteroids, though not in the return category I believe)
If you just have a one off return chart to do now and then, let me know. I'll do it for you and send the data if I have time.
Kim
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Post by sielou on Aug 13, 2005 22:33:06 GMT
Thanks Svenskasfninx and Kim. It was a real treat to read your suggestions .
"I don't see you retreating into the background for long periods of time, Seilou, that's certain." >>Actually Kim I am feeling all romantically burned out in a way after (or is it really over now?, my VR for 2003 (right before we made contact>> )) this thing with this narcissistic/destructive man (born July 4 1977 at 1400 in Visby). It is difficult even to be friends with such a person (So you´re in love with a narcissist >> www.angelfire.com/indie/aanouri/index.html). I had briefly contact with him again in May and my world was again colourful and it kind of stopped for a while when I was talking to him (his Sappho conjuncting his own Mercury and my Sappho?). I wanted to build up a healthy relationship with him if ´only´ as friends. Of course you feel a need to protect yourself before you feel absolutely certain that he maturely listened to what you had to say, so I blocked him over msn messenger. I needed him to be clear about how he saw/sees us. But his answer was even more unclear. I guess he wouldn´t give me clarity . The thing that hurt me the most was the way he - I guess he couldn´t say in a mature way that he didn´t like me blocking him - made my feelings into a weapon and hurt me (yes that was the way it felt!) with it . I wrote as politely as I could when he instead insulted me. And I won´t pick up the pieces yet another time. I won´t stand that my feelings is used as a weakness he uses to his own advantage. And I have already picked up the pieces enough times as it is! And he has never ever even said ´I´m truly sorry, can you forgive me?´. He has never ever tried to make things any better. Yet he is the one that rocks my world (aspects to vertex, north node, venus, ascendant and moon to mention some>> (My chart is the inner wheel), and look at our Composite >> !) ! I ´ve had this ´It is meant to be´-feeling, a sensation of being whole inside *really miss that* and that special feeling of only wanting to be where he is and nowhere else *a very clear feeling*. So I am beginning to think that it should be better to fall in love with your head instead of with your heart and soul *but isn´t that a contradiction ?*. Maybe this is a sort of a soulmate connection, but I pray that it isn´t *I wonder who he feels this connection to, it can´t be with me when he continues to do this to me*. So I haven´t a clue how all this new should come to happen romantically according to my VR of 2005*and my SR has that same theme>> *. My VR2005 and natal synastry>> . I have met this very dear male friend who is born 27 days after me (March 2 1974 at 1135 (am) in Halmstad) here in Stockholm today. And we have this amazing synchronicity . And before you might think he could be the one, I must add that he already has a very much older fiancée... Although at times I think that this fact is tough to know . By the way, if you try to read the charts... L- is my name asteroid, I- is this narcissistic man´s and F- is my male friend´s. Thanks in advance for any of your thoughts
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 1, 2005 23:15:12 GMT
When the Ascendant and Descendent are reversed in a return chart, it usually means a year (or duration of the return) where you gain a sense of objectivity. Your 7th house comes to the foreground and that means you can get a sense of how 'others' see you--how you are in relationship to them.
Look back over other returns (perhaps solar and Venus and Mars) that have this reversed Asc/Dsc. See if you can pick up on a theme.
Anyone else?
Kim
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Post by Juliet on Sept 3, 2005 0:19:51 GMT
In my SR for this last year I had reversed As and Des and I surely learnt a whole lot about how I am in relationship to other people. With a lot more objectivity indeed. I learnt about asking and checking my impressions, rather then assuming, (and having expectations) amongst other things. A difficult lesson, albeit a very necessary one for me. It has made me a bit more humble and taught me how to look better at people. Which makes me look better at myself again. I had some great and 'open' real meetings this last week, to celebrate. Tomorrow (it's still night in Europe) at 8.30 AM a new Solar Return will start, and it will be an almost Venus and Juno return too... Finally, six years after my divorce, the inkling of finding Eros in me. And where is the As of the SR? On my natal Eros... Love to you all, Juliet My thoughts are with the people of New Orleans
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 10, 2005 0:01:45 GMT
I do consider asteroids in return charts though I'd be more incline to include Eros and Psyche in a Venus return than say a Saturn or Mercury return.
Rule of thumb is: if it's on an angle, it counts!
Kim
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Post by lil on Oct 18, 2005 21:13:38 GMT
Hi Kim, all I feel a friendly atmosphere here, people helping each other, learning alltogether and it’s nice Kim is always around, helping everyone. I see that some of you are having difficulty about calculating a chart for a Venus return without a special software on your pc. Actually, it is quite time consuming doing by hand and, you know what, you could do it by Astrodienst help too. Here is the way: Go to the extended chart selection page then select the group “astrodienst special” out of the chart selections, which is on top of the page, on the left. In the next page, select the type of chart as “transit calendar all planets 6m acrobat PDF” (you should have an acrobat reader on your pc for this calendar). While doing this, keep in mind that the software will give you the positions of planets for a particular 6 months of period, which you can choose. So, don’t forget to put the beginning date as covering your Venus return date. Astrodienst will give you the exact time –hour and minutes- for all planet transits including Chiron (and nodes but not for the asteroids) for this given period. In that PDF document, find the transit Venus’ conjunction to your natal, note the exact date and time then erect your Venus Return Chart accordingly. But, keep in mind that, program uses only universal time for those transit times, so you should calculate time again according to GMT for your location and do the daytime calculation if necessary. And, after doing all, always check the zodiac degree of VR chart Venus against any mistake which you may have been done while doing those calculations with GMT and daytime. –remember, you are going to add if you are in the east, and extract if you are in the west. And again, don’t forget the daytime regulation. Here, I put the link for my recent VR chart (thanks for the advice about the photobucket.com Swenskasfinsk) for Kim’s test: i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/lilnil/astro/92dc7fee.gifAs you see, Jupiter on the Libra Ascendant in my recent Venus year and actually, I have already felt the effect. Being a loner mostly, the beginning of this particular period has been rich and enjoyable for me. My boyfriend was around me after a long period and I have had a lady friend which is also essential for a woman. But I have felt the other effects too. The 7th house Mars, Sun&Sat square to Mars, the Mer-Nep opposition in 11-5th... Maybe we could put this in other way: my Scorpio ascendant and natal Venus-Pluto conjunction took charge again and things were changed, and not to the better. -did I mention that that Sun&Sat of the VR chart conjuncts my natal Moon?- Still, it seems this Venus Return year will be a special one with all those lovely trines, especially the one with 11th house Venus and the 7th house Mars! In fact, I do expect a positive development with my ex (you know, I am a Cancer) boyfriend which I hurt badly in this summer, but fat lady didn’t sign yet;) and Mars will be hovering in my 7th til Feb 2006. Maybe Kim would have some insights about my Venus Return while checking the chart. I would highly appreciated if you could find a time Kim. I put my natal planets around VR chart and you can see it here: i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/lilnil/astro/e72c0712.gifI saw that Eros conjuncts my natal ascendant at that VR chart and then, I even did an Eros return chart which is Eros at the descendant and Sun Pluto conjunction at the MC. Seems quite interesting, isn’t it? (I should add that my Sun arcs to the natal Venus this year -will be exact in the beginning of 2006) Maybe Kim would say something about the Eros Return chart too? Eros Return chart: i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/lilnil/astro/60552837.gifER chart vs Natal: i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/lilnil/astro/8ee33227.gifThank you in advance, Warmly, lil
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