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Post by Kim Falconer on Apr 25, 2004 2:23:29 GMT
Sedna- Newest Planet in our Solar System? Scientist just discovered a distant planet-like object orbiting our sun! Named for Sedna, an Inuit goddess of the icy sea, this new body is three times further from the earth than Pluto and may actually be the first evidence of the hypothesized ort cloud, a distant source of comets and other bodies. Sedna, now 13 billion kilometres away, takes 10,500 years to orbit the sun. Discover more about the astronomical Sedna here- California Institute of Technology, Most Distant Object in the Solar System Discovered, www.spitzer.caltech.edu/Media/releases/ssc2004-05/release.shtml The Astrological Sedna Understanding the astrological meaning of Sedna will require diligent time and observation. Though contemplating the themes of the Inuit Goddess Sedna is vital, personal and world events during planetary activations must be carefully watched. Positions of Sedna 2004-2005 From Swiss Ephemeris Date Long Declination ------------------------------------- 20 Mar 2004 17 ta 42 5°47<br>19 Apr 2004 18 ta 1 5°54<br>19 May 2004 18 ta 24 6° 0<br>18 Jun 2004 18 ta 44 6° 4<br>18 Jul 2004 18 ta 59 6° 5<br>17 Aug 2004 19 ta 5 6° 3<br>16 Sep 2004 19 ta 1 Rx 5°58<br>16 Oct 2004 18 ta 48 Rx 5°52<br>15 Nov 2004 18 ta 31 Rx 5°47<br>15 Dec 2004 18 ta 14 Rx 5°44<br>14 Jan 2005 18 ta 4 Rx 5°44<br>13 Feb 2005 18 ta 3 5°48<br> Steps to deciphering Sedna 1.Explore the mythology 2.Record personal events during Sedna activation 3.Track Sedna in relationship to world events. Sedna Mythology According to Inuit traditions, Sedna resides in the icy depths of the artic. There she rules all creatures of the sea, and controls the fate of humans by allowing respectful hunters to flourish and disrespectable ones to starve. Explore Sedna mythology through Jenks, Kathleen, Ph.D.,Myth*ing Links: Sedna-Goddess of the Arctic Seas, www.mythinglinks.org/ip~northamerica~Sedna.htmlPersonal observation Sedna has been transiting through mid Aries to mid Taurus these last 75 years. Current generations share a similar placement in their astrological charts by sign and outer planet aspect, though house position and contacts to personal planet are more unique. You can track the position of Sedna with Astrodienst’s online ephemeris. Astrodienst-Horoscopes and Astrology, www.astro.com/There is also an ephemeris generator on Jon Dunn’s Astro site. It is very fast! Online Astro Ephemeris, ephemeral.info/ind/Recording the transits of Sedna and checking significant activation dates against inner and outer life events will help reveal this planet’s meaning. Over time, a theme of correlated experiences may evolve, shedding light on what the astrological Sedna may symbolize. I discovered Sedna was exactly opposite my natal third house Saturn when learning to SCUBA dive in areas teaming with sea lions, dolphins and whales. Years later, Sedna was exactly square the natal Moon in Aquarius. This time coincided with a difficult separation and change of residence. Both transits reflected major turning points in my life. Continued research and objective discussion will help elucidate what the astrological Sedna needs, wants and hast to offer. Unfortunately, the loss of the previous forum means all those fabulous comments and observations regarding Sedna are gone as well. Let’s build a new data base here! Thank you, Kim
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 22, 2004 4:57:40 GMT
Recording the transits of Sedna and checking significant activation dates against inner and outer life events will help reveal this planet’s meaning. Over time, a theme of correlated experiences may evolve, shedding light on what the astrological Sedna may symbolize. Hello Everyone! In aid of my ongoing research, I am interested in personal experiences of Sedna transiting the natal Sun or Moon or angles by conjunction, opposition or square. This would mean having Sun, Moon, Asc or MC in a fixed sign--Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius—between early degrees to the current 19 degrees. I am interested in any major inner or outer events such as changes of residence, marriage, separation, childbirth, death, illness and also public recognition, promotion, demotion, scandal or career changes. Let me know if you have accurate birth data and a date when there was a momentous change in your life. I will check for Sedna activation. Also, anyone aware of an OUTER planet transit (Saturn-Pluto) or Lunar event (eclipse) to their natal Sedna (see earlier post to find your Sedna position at birth) please let me know. I am finding some fascinating correlations, though many years of observation will be necessary to confirm these hypotheses. Thank you. Kim
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 23, 2004 11:10:33 GMT
This is VERY STRANGE! For those of you who have followed my forum over the years, you'll recall about 6 months ago the link vanished and I signed up for this NEW one. Well, weirdness of weirdness, the old link has returned (temporarily then vanished again). It is tools.freewebware.com/forum.vhtml?bi=6bd2b91c57633ec05a4f543594a0e6a8&view=flatPLEASE don't post there now though, even if you get on. I will leave it up for those who want to read the archives, but I wont be checking it or responding. Meanwhile, I am going to post here the dialog that transpired right after the announcement of Sedna's discovery. I am delighted to have "Ditti's Hands" back. I felt that was quite valuable. Warmly, Kim
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 23, 2004 11:22:09 GMT
SHEILA POSTED April 1, 2004: I have been trying to understand…Sedna(mine) conjunct NNode in Aries-I have heard that points receive the energy and that the planets don't feel anything but wonder how this play's out.
I don't like the idea that people have come up with of Sedna being about victimization, I hope we come up with something more empowering. Maybe her father had to reject her so that she could stand alone and strong(and then be reunited with both husband and father). Sedna is close to my IC so I have been thinking about her Sheila
On April 2, 200 Kathleen Jenks, Ph.D., Mything*Links, Wrote:
First, my thanks to Kim for posting a link to my Myth*ing Links webpage on Sedna. That\'s how I found this forum <smile>. I don\'t have to time to frequent forums, but I did want to comment on the Sedna-as-victim theme raised by Sheila.
To suggest that maybe Sedna *needed* to have her father chop off her hands because that helped her to find her own strength is really a way to excuse the abuser. Women too often resort to this, which is perhaps one reason abuse continues. Abuse is abuse -- it should be seen for what it is & not prettied-up. No young girl should have her hands (or emotions or sense of self-worth, etc) chopped off by a parent of either gender! Life itself inevitably provides everyone with MANY ways to access inner strength. Hand-chopping-off simply isn\'t on the \"approved list\" of catalysts and it should *not* have happened to Sedna (see the fairytale, \"The Handless Maiden,\" for another example of such cruelty).
It *did* happen, however, and a strength and magic that Sedna *always* had came to the fore -- but that doesn\'t in any way justify the abuser\'s role.
In terms of Sedna, a victimized human is one thing, but when victimization moves to the goddess-level, as it does with Sedna, while in no way justifying the father\'s brutal deed, her victimization nevertheless \"signals\" us that there\'s an extra depth of compassion for the abused and have-not\'s of the world. It also tells us that this goddess-archetype has the wherewithal to make a difference and empower that person whose transits, or whatever (I\'m not an astrologer <smile>), are resonating with Sedna\'s sphere of power.
I was fascinated by Kim\'s experiences in getting out of an abusive relationship during a strong Sedna influence -- & even taking up scuba diving. From a mythological/depth-psychological perspective, that\'s *exactly* the kind of liberating, creative help one would expect from a goddess with Sedna\'s \"story\" shimmering in the background. Well, you might say, doesn\'t that imply that she *did* need the father\'s brutality after all in order to have the \"story\" that she has? Well, no -- abuse is never, never \"necessary.\" It happens and we do the best we can with it, as Sedna did, but we cannot accept that abuse, per se, is \"necessary\" to our growth and spiritual maturation. We too unthinkingly say \"No pain, no gain,\" which may be true in the limited realm of sports but should never be inflated into a universal truth.
What\'s really \"necessary\" are joy, freedom, creativity, laughter, playfulness and -- of course -- love. If Sedna had had *those* in greater abundance, what a different \"story\" would have emerged! And if her destiny was to manifest compassionate empowerment for the abused, that would have happened regardless. For her, abuse was a worst-case-scenario catalyst. If joy had been the catalyst instead, the \"story\" or myth revealing her gift would focus on how EVERYone richly deserves to live in a climate of compassion and joyous creativity.
The empowering \"message\" is the same regardless. One path to it is nuanced with dark cruelty, the other with joy. The fact that many people tend to learn more through pain than through joy is a symptom of sick societies and power-structures. We have lived with abuse, fear, suffering, and suffocation for so long that we tend to Part Two -- apologies, I seem to have written more than one message could hold. Here\'s the rest: The empowering message is the same regardless. One path to it is nuanced with dark cruelty, the other with joy. The fact that many people tend to learn more through pain than through joy is a symptom of sick societies and power-structures. We have lived with abuse, fear, suffering, and suffocation for so long that we tend to accept it as natural and normal. Some forms of pain *are* natural, of course -- death, grief, etc. But pain arising out of cultural determinants (such as child-rearing practices, educational systems, etc) are far from natural. There really are kinder, more humane ways of living with one another and co-existing with other species.
My hope is that Sedna\'s appearance as the tenth planet will manifest energies that help to shift the fulcrum away from death and pain and towards genuine LIVING. Kim\'s experience is a great example. I hope many more such examples emerge when the astrologically-trained begin accumulating more and more data. Sedna-as-victim didn\'t need to happen, but it did. Her real role, speaking mythically, was always to let her hands bring forth new, vibrant life, empowering both artistry and interspecies cooperation.
Warmly,
Kathleen Jenks, Ph.D.
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 23, 2004 11:24:15 GMT
Sheila wrote--April 3,2004
Hi Katya
I really was in no way saying that choping off someones fingers was a good idea. I was more looking at the story as a metaphor and possibly that Sedna couldn\'t be allowed to return to her old home and former way of life and that she needed to become whole within herself without depending on her father or a husband and then in that wholeness she could be reunited with them. And it is interesting that her fingers give rise to life- the parts of her that had become frozen and tried to cling to the past(her father\'s boat). When I see myself as a victim I want someone else to save me and we can wait a long time before that happens. Life is too short : ) Anyway, just my opinions SHEIILA
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 23, 2004 11:29:52 GMT
Hello, Sheila -- I\'m wondering about your own fingertips -- what might be itching to emerge from them? Do they want to sing? write? paint? sculpt? caress? cook? garden? fix a car? wrap themselves around a musical instrument? a child? What creative juices flow within them? My suggestion would be to caress your own fingers, talk to them, find out what they\'d like to turn into, if they could. Whenever you\'re feeling put down or victimized, see what your fingers would like to be doing (besides throttling the SOB who\'s victimizing you ::chuckle: . Years ago, I took a pantomime class in New York City. One of the exercises was to really *feel* our fingers and get a sense of what *they* wanted. To my surprise, I realized that mine felt too short and stubby and trapped. Not that they wanted to be a few inches longer -- no, they wanted to be *magic* -- they wanted to reach across the room to a corner where the ceiling met the walls -- maybe 20-feet away -- and they wanted to touch that intersection, and then pass right through the walls and go on exploring. They wanted to pass through all boundaries without any limits. That told me that my fingers felt my life was too narrow, trapped, un-free, un-magical. They wanted to FLY. But they were too stubby & short. They -- *we* -- had no wings, just those ten little digits stuck onto my nervous, chapped hands. I was in my early 20\'s, knew I needed to change things or I wouldn\'t be feeling so keenly my fingers\' yearning to explore space and distance with such an intimate, tactile immediacy. But I had no idea what to do, where to go. The knowledge in my fingers planted a seed however. I haven\'t remembered that incident in years until tonight as I\'m writing you, and connecting all this to Sedna. Over the years, I slowly found many paths -- it\'s been a complex process. But I\'m recognizing tonight that the yearning in my fingertips that I felt in that class was a significant part of that journey. Maybe it\'s just me, but you too mention Sedna\'s fingers in a passage of deep insight. This makes me think your fingers also hold a mystery, a message, a calling. Warmly, Katya (Kathleen Jenks, Ph.D.) From Sheila: Thank you for the idea of the finger exercise : ) When I did it I realized that our fingers connect us to the physical world and to each other, and that I don\'t pay nearly enough attention to the miracle of what they do. Applying that to the Sedna myth would mean that she was cut off from the conscious physical world and physical communication with others and given to the realm of the ocean- the unconscious, later to be reunited with the physical- her father and husband. I am playing with these ideas about Sedna as I personally relate to her story so of course I know the collective meaning will change as everyone expresses their ideas and a consensus emerges. A year ago I discovered astrology and have been studying non stop and that seems to be the new direction in my life I was in such desparate need of. I will try the exercise again to see if my fingers have more to tell me, although I have been very mental for the past 3 years and maybe it is time to do something with my hands that is tactile and pleasurable. Sheila From Katya: I\'m so glad the finger exercise stimulated so many fine insights.There\'s another dimension that a Danish psychic-friend named Ditte taught me. Use one of your fingers from one hand to trace all around the boundary-edges of each finger on the other. The pressure of the tracing finger should be as light as a feather. It should barely \"whisper\" its way around each finger & thumb). You\'ll get a very tingling, weird, spooky sensation from this that\'ll definitely let you xperience how alive & sensitive your hands are. After tracing the fingers, I then move into the very center of my palm and trace what I call \"whisper-circles.\" It\'s an amazing sensation. My friend Ditte had hands so alive & pulsing that she could cup them around a rose bud, for example, & just breathe deeply and get very quiet inside, letting the hands transmit their energies. Within moments, the bud would expand into a fully opened & fragrant rose. That\'s truly magic. Enough -- blessings on your journey, Katya Kim Falconer Wrote: Wow! Has anyone done Ditte’s extraordinary hand technique? The tingling awareness is sensational! I feel so alive! My hands transform into something absolutely magical. Makes you want to touch something, someone! I think of that scene from E.T. where the alien’s finger glows as he reaches out to heal the wounded child. Fantastic! Thank you Katya : ) Kim
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 23, 2004 11:33:03 GMT
The tingling awareness is sensational! I feel so alive! My hands transform into something absolutely magical. Makes you want to touch something, someone! I think of that scene from E.T. where the alien’s finger glows as he reaches out to heal the wounded child. Fantastic! Kim –(from Katya) How rich & lovely to add that ET scene into this context! It\'s perfect. By the way, when I do Ditte\'s exercise, I don\'t find that my thumb produces the same sensations at all. It doesn\'t seem to \"whisper\" as well. I\'m not sure why. It might just be me. As for my fingers, there are definitely different nuances depending upon which tracing-finger I use. Robert Graves\' *White Goddess* discusses what each finger represents. I should check into that someday and see how/if it correlates. Warmly, Katya
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Post by lana3959 on Oct 29, 2004 8:56:12 GMT
Hi Kim,
Interestingly, with the recent eclipse at 5 scorpio/5 taurus, I just found out I have Sedna at 5 taurus on my midheaven. That's a pretty good sign that I need to learn more about this.
lana3959
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Post by Kim Falconer on Oct 29, 2004 21:48:27 GMT
Hello Iana,
Yes, I agree. With Sedna prominent at the highest point in your chart, you may find your relationship to your “calling” and you sense of social identity has a "Sedna" quality about it.
I feel Sedna may have something to do with power and authority in ones family, community, country. I think there is something there about the abuse of such authority and the consequences of ignoring the sacredness of life. Sedna rests at the boundaries of the unconscious that go further, reach deeper, than we have been before. There is fear, and also respect, separation and also a renewed sense of strength.
I wonder how your family, and particularly your father, has shaped (consciously or unconsciously) your sense of social identity—what you want to “be” in the world.
I’ve just written an article for PREDICTIONS magazine in the UK on Sedna, with an example chart. It will come out, I believe, in April (oh, at the next eclipse!). I will post it on my site as well. (after publication).
It is possible that a strong Sedna in the natal chart (conjunct your MC) sensitises you to Sedna transits. Do you have any personal planets between 5 and 19 Taurus-Scorpio, or Leo-Aquarius? It may be interesting to see what was going on during a past transit over the years.
Thanks for your contribution here.
Warmly, Kim
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Post by lana3959 on Oct 29, 2004 22:24:51 GMT
Hi Kim,
Thanks for responding. It's interesting what you said about Sedna. I like that you brought up social identity, because a lot of my social identity has been about growing up bi-racial in a mostly white, racist town in the U.S. It's always caused me anger and pain. I'm ashamed to say it, but I'm glad that I look more like my white mother, because every time someone found out my father was black, I would start having problems. In bad moments, I still wonder why my parents decided to have children when they knew their kids would go through a bunch of crap.
On the other hand, I've always had a lot of problems with my parents and others that don't center around race. There was abuse inside and outside of my household. Unfortunately, I think most people go through abuse of some form when they are a child.
Along with Sedna on the MC, there is also Chiron (9 degrees) and Vesta (12 degrees). I've no clue what these all mean together. I know Chiron is about wounds and the ability to heal. Also, my Asc./Desc. axis is at 14 leo/14 aquarius.
By the way, I'm looking forward to the article in April. Sedna is definately interesting. I couldn't believe that they could find something so far out there in space. So far out, that I learned that Sedna takes many thousands of years to orbit the earth!
lana3959
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Post by Kim Falconer on Oct 30, 2004 23:54:47 GMT
Hi Inan,
It must have been very difficult growing up in your situation and quite natural that you would be grateful for taking after your mom. Growing up is about surviving. We all do whatever it takes.
It sounds like your father, genetics none the least, has shaped your social identity quite strongly. I hope you live in a more open minded community now.
And yes, abuse is something most people experience at some time. I hope that is changing with awareness and understanding. Perhaps the discovery of Sedna heralds the kind of awareness and social evolution that says NO to such abuse of power.
Maybe with Sedna so close to your mid-heaven, with Chiron (Strength and the audacity to attempt the impossible) and Vesta (dedication to destiny), you will turn your energies towards social change.
Yes, it takes Sedna 11,500 or so years to orbit our Sun. She hasn’t been in Taurus since the emergence from the last ice age!
I also have a short article in Dell Horoscope (this November issue) on Sedna that gives an introduction to the new body.
Thanks for your post. Warmly, Kim
PS Iana,
With your Ascendant/Descendant axis, you have Eros about to conjunct the Asc and enter your 1st house and Psyche/Zeus in opposition about to enter your 7th house. Eros Crosses the Asc on the 8th of Nov and Psyche/Ze will opposite between 13th and 16th.
Do you have any plans? I am quite curious as to what you may feel during this time.
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Post by Kim Falconer on Oct 31, 2004 0:11:35 GMT
Hi LunarScorp,
The images and experiences you relate are most interesting and do seem to have an eerie connection to Sedna.
It isn’t “cheating” to look at dates of Sedna activation and see if it corresponds to inner or outer events in your life. Of course, nothing happens in isolation and any time your natal Sedna is activated, so is your natal Saturn T-square. If she transits any un-aspected planet (between 17-19 Taurus right now) we might get some strong symbolism as well. It will take time and deeper insight to sift through Sedna’s role in all this.
Any observations you contribute are helpful. Certainly the dream of severed hands (linked so strongly to the shadow Saturn…the loss of power and Sedna in the loss of ones hands by a “father” figure) and the drawing of the handless “warrior” with fish bowl is powerful and significant.
I am also quite interested in your Kabbalistic technique. Can you explain it in more detail?
Thanks for the contribution.
Warmly, Kim
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Post by lana3959 on Oct 31, 2004 3:42:20 GMT
Hi Kim,
I didn't realize Eros, Psyche, and Zeus were crossing my Asc/Desc axis. I can tell you I've been thinking of giving myself a major makeover for a couple of weeks now, which would go along with eros crossing the Asc. The psyche contact is interesting: psychic awareness, soulmate love. I really don't know. I've heard of Zeus, but don't know what its meaning is in astrology. There's not much going on now, so all I can really do is wonder.
Also, I'll try to get a copy of Dell next month, but it's difficult to find around here for some reason.
lana3959
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Post by Kim Falconer on Nov 1, 2004 23:21:53 GMT
Hi LunarScorp,
Thank you for the detailed information. I am not familiar with Yehuda Berg or this work, but I am interested, especially now with your amazing examples of results.
That sent chills up my spine, reading about your grandmother.
Were your parents sanyassan? What is your 9th house like?
Thanks again for this post.
Warmly, Kim
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Post by svenskasfinx on Nov 2, 2004 20:59:13 GMT
Hej Lunarscorp! www.boomspeed.com/trackiemum/Sednaresize.jpg [/img] Thought she would look better on the forum! I really loved it, reminds me of the Medusa I'm working on, at least the hair... Kim and everyone, I too have tracked down Sedna in my family's chart, and my son has it with that huge group of asteriods/luminaries in the 10th house, were as I have it in the 11th with some easy aspects and my huband in the 12th... the way I see it, symbolicly, she is my "friend"...as the aspects are those symbolic of communication and sextile my ascendant; I went to the other forum and read what other's had writen about the Sedna myth, and have seen this myth long before, so I am very comfortable with integrating this new object/personality aspect. I like the fact that so many have come to the conclusion that it is about the subject of abuse being compassionate, and trying to understand the innerworkings and restraint required to not abuse, something also very personal to me, with some very powerful female members in my own family life. Thanks for sharing everyone! Sfinxen
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