Character, Sex and the Ascendant

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Everyone,

Here is my latest installment, particularly for writers--Evoking the Gods Part II: The astrology of Character Development

I'd love to know what you think? Accurate patterns? What can we add?

These tags can apply this to Eros by sign, especially if Eros is angular or linked to the Asc. Also Mars! (as the initiator)

". . . For a fun demonstration, consider how each rising sign would initiate sex.

Aries—Pounce. Usually little or no warning.
Taurus—Surprisingly sensual, though ardent. They selectively fail to hear the word ‘no.’
Gemini—Much talk before action. They seduce with words—sometimes quite eloquently.
Cancer—They retreat, you follow. Not opposed to emotional manipulation. . . "

Read the rest here:

voyageronline.wordpress.com/2008/12/17/evoking-the-gods-part-ii-the-astrology-of-character-development-by-kim-falconer/

Comments welcome on either board. I'm tracking both

Warmly,
Kim

[pam]

Kim,

You know I have to comment. My birth ascendant is Scorpio and I've been told that I have very sexy eyes (either sexy or terrifying, depending on my mood). In my relocation chart, I have Virgo rising. I love to cook for my prospective lovers. My historic standby was spaghetti with a "loaded" tomato sauce (ground beef, sausage, oysters, clams, mushrooms, and black and green olives; a nice salad, and adult brownies (too rich for children). This was accompanied by a nice wine and prefaced by some "herbal" relaxant (this was back in the early eighties, after all). these days it's something a little more vegetarian and organic. But I do have several tantra manuals floating around ...

R has a Pisces ascendant. All he has to do is be around and start talking and women start shifting in their seats. Last week we stopped at a local department store after seeing a movie and he engaged a middle aged woman in a conversation about an advertisement for some Dior face cream. He took umbrage at the slogan, arguing that "You'll be more beautiful than you were at 20" is extremely insulting to women because it blatantly states that everything after 20 is all downhill. Then he asked her if she thought that was true? Being a saleswoman at work, there was no way she felt comfortable agreeing with him when it was her job to sell the cream. He said he disagreed strongly, that he felt women grew more beautiful as they grew older. He said, "I don't like little girls," and he paused for a long moment. Taking the toothpick out of his mouth he slowly smiled as his dimples deepened, looked right into that saleswoman's eyes and said, "I like my women grown."

She left the counter. I don't know what she said because I was trying to buy some lipstick, but I saw her scurry away. I laughed to myself. The saleswoman who was assisting me said, "Is he always like that?" "Always, I replied. "Always".

He's got a few more things thrown in there like an Eros/Pluto conjunction and Mars in Libra in the 7th house, but he does have a Pisces ascendant!

Pam

[ariesmoon]

Oh Kim I do love this! As a Taurus Ascendant, I can vouch for the bit of me that doesn't hear the word "no" - I'd say persistent as well as ardent, I'll pursue people, I will not give up. But I'll do it quietly. I don't make a noisy fuss about it. Perhaps if Mars were in the 1st rather than in the 12th, it might be noisier!

Scorpio Ascendant? I encountered one, looked into his eyes for no more than 3 seconds, and I was a goner. Still am a year later. I'm still pursuing him - quietly - long after anyone else I know would have given him up as a bad job and a waste of energy.

What I sense about Scorpio Ascendants is they enjoy the power of seduction, and then for the hell of it they can refuse to let you in, just to see how long they can keep you hanging in there. Waiting. I have a female friend with a Scorpio Ascendant conjunct Moon, Sun and Venus in Scorpio. She is positively lethal in that department. There are more men hanging on every flutter of her eyelashes than there are baubles on a town centre Christmas tree!

[Kim Falconer]

Pam, I was seduced just listening to your menu! And, what a fabulous story about R liking his women grown I can see the sales lady was ill prepared to participate with that exchange!

Ariesmoon! Yes, let's add persistent to the list for Taurus! As for Scorpio Asc, it's that intensity and intimacy they are after. They want to drink you in! I am sure some do use the power of seduction as a game but it is themselves they seek to control, not others.

I notice a correlation between Moon signs and receptivity to Ascendant styles. If they have Aries rising, for example, and you have Aries Moon, then you might like their approach, their way. Having someone's moon on our horizon is a slice of heaven, usually! I think that's why moon and Asc aspects are so telling in a synastry. The moon is what feels comfortable, like home, familiar. A nurturing kind of love. The Ascendant is action, how we assert our distinction, how we initiate. It's like when we say, 'I'm not comfortable with the way he acts'. That's basically the moon not in alignment with their Ascendant and/or Mars.

[primamateria]

hang on a minute while I brush the cobwebs off my seduction technique... ah there it is.... well as a taurus sun I should probably be persistant and sensuous - but with Venus in ARies, in the tenth house, I am pretty obviously impatient, impetuous and often play the part of the seduced (as a seduction technique it works pretty well).

that might be my gemini ascendant there - playing a role?

darn, I think that may be why I stopped all that nonsense!

[3rdhousenorth]

Kim, these were so fun! I think I'm a combination of Leo Ascendant (I'm good with PDAs - public displays of affection - at least to a point!) but also influenced by all the Virgo planets I also have in my 1st house. And Leo Moon/Virgo Sun.

I'm dating a guy whose time of birth I don't know but I'm sure he's also a Leo Ascendant - full mane of hair like mine, and just as attached to his hairdresser! He also seems to like PDAs. :-) Will see where this goes... (It's unnerving me -- I counted in our synastry 8 conjunctions, 7 oppositions, 7 squares, 10 trines, and 8 sextiles... including mutual Juno and Eros contacts as well as many Saturn contacts... oh, and a couple of tight Mars/physical contacts... eek!)

[Juliet]

Yes, this is fun!!!
These few last months I spent working my a off at a cultural company where the financial director and two close colleagues are Cap Moons, and that clicked beautifully with my Moon AC conjunction in Cap. A male director with Venus, Sun, Mars and Mercury conjunct my Moon/Ac proved a bit too much, there was quite a bit of lust/attraction on first sight at my side, wouldn't know about him, just avoiding him as much as possible... My, his eyes...
And he can flirt all he want with all these Cap Moon women. My, are we driven workers. Not to mention obsessive. And loud!

Hm, and as a Virgo Sun, we Virgos talk a lot and I mean a lot, so I bet we use it to initiate sex too. I 'seduce' with banter and verbal teasing and a lot of playful touching and by feeling very sensual. I use the talk and directness to cover up my shyness. My mouth is physically important too, a lot of men say it is sexy.
But when I really really find someone attractive, such as the guy at work, nothing's left of that teasing, too plain shy. I bet I blush when he is around.
If I would be free, I would pursue him though. His Moon is on my Venus.
I'm glad I was not consumed by lust when I met my bf, but just liked him, found him attractive and most important: felt very comfortable and open with him. Maybe nothing had transpired otherwise.

My Eros is conjunct Merc in Virgo. American men were so totally not attracted to me, way too Northwest European direct. So there's cultural differerences too!
And about that Moon/Ac: I'm lucky, with my conjunction my mood/feelings and action are in sync.
Ariesmoon, maybe you should go for a guy who really pursues/wants you, and settle for the liking bit first, how would that feel? I've heard it so often about happy and longlasting relationships, my own experience is the same: no enormous lust/infatuation at first sight, but liking and comfort and friendship, qualities that last a long, long time. Believe me, the passion will follow.

[ariesmoon]

I'm loving reading these!

My Eros is conjunct Mercury, Aphrodite and Tantalus all in the 1st house so although I may be persistent, I can turn on the flirty chat when I want to! I think Hekate is there too ... And I can write one hell of a love letter. Pan is also in the 1st in Gemini so there's potential for the chat to get VERY wicked!

I can see how a Moon/AC connection would feel so easy Kim, a kind of instinctive comfort with someone else's way of approaching the world. Aries/Scorpio may be inconjunct signs, but they do have Mars in common, so I wondered if that may feel comfortable, but it doesn't seem in this particular case because my Aries Moon gets so impatient with silence and inaction. He does have a Taurus Venus closely conjunct my AC (and Mars) though, and I have the Moon widely conjunct, and closely parallel, his Sun. So on my side at least, there's a great deal of lust/attraction, and a feeling that I could nurture him too.

[Kim Falconer]

Oh you have all said what I was thinking this morning! I wanted to mention how it is a combination of energy that constitutes our likes and dislikes, actions and inaction's... and here are all the examples! Thank you!

Prima, I had to brush off the cobwebs too and after just having Pluto opposite Venus (I am now calling that transit a flirtectomy) my ways of relating with men have transformed. The flirtatious, chatty, banter, PDA (love that 3rdhousenorth!) has been replace with more of a contained, wait and see approach. Interesting!

Juliet, I was going to ask you about your Moon and Asc in the same sign. I like the way you put it--mood/feelings and actions in syn. Nice.

And there is a kind of compatibility through shared rulership, as Ariesmoon suggests--Gemini and Virgo's Mercury and Aries/Scorp Mars...Pisces and Sag, Capricorn and Aquarius, Taurus and Libra...but they are all square or inconjunct (30 or 150) and so the commonality has a different touch.

I've been thinking of my Moon in Aquarius (while the north node is there and Jupiter on the way) and I do like to be surprised. I like 'different' and Oscar Wilde's phrase--The essence of romance is uncertainty!, well I just love that!

Now, let's add some speculation here. What about the Draconic Ascendant and Draconic Moon? What does that tell us about the 'lining beneath the cloak'? Any insights there? Does that give us a hint of an underlying approach to initiation?

[tom]

interesting, kim! i'm a libra rising...yes, listens and stirs until there's nothing else left. also, cooking for a woman...is a doorway for me into intimacy. so i'll wine and dine her, but i want to prepare and serve it myself. i also admit to loving feeding a woman i care about. my ASC ruler venus is in libra, just above the horizon and conjunct pluto in the 12th. so there's an ever present attempt to have sensuality take us to some other place.

last week i made dinner with a friend i've started to fall for - i was in heaven, but i think she was just hungry.

[Juliet]

What about the Draconic Ascendant and Draconic Moon?

These are both Taurus, and it might be more cuddly and cosy and homely than Cap, but Earth too, so differs not so greatly from the Moon/Ac in the tropical zodiac.

Tom, you have humour, that's an aphrodisiac to me!

last week i made dinner with a friend i've started to fall for - i was in heaven, but i think she was just hungry.

All my important relationships have strong, mutual and legio Merc ties, I need that laugh!

[ariesmoon]

Juliet that's very wise, what you said about going for someone who wants me ..! Yes, I can see all of that, and have no doubt that you're right. I'm very conscious of wanting the longer-lasting and deeper qualities too. I have Draconic Adonis on my natal Mars, which tends to explain how these infatuations start. Someone beautiful always kickstarts Mars.

Kim - looking at the Draconic Ascendant/Moon is fascinating. Mine Draconic AC is Capricorn - buying things? Yes, probably! And the more it means to me, the more cautious and fearful I become.

[Kim Falconer]

Tom! I am with Juliet--your sense of humor has me smiling. Thank you!

Ariesmoon, I like that depiction of Adonis on Mars--someone beautiful always kick-starts it! Brilliant. Focusing on the Capricorn Asc's sensual, strong and capable side may help pivot away from feelings of fear. A confident Capricorn is like Mt. Everest! Majestic!

In my Draconic chart I have Scorpio Rising. I think I will use it this summer !

[Juliet]

How will you use that Scorpio AC this summer then, Kim???

Focusing on the Capricorn Asc's sensual, strong and capable side may help pivot away from feelings of fear. A confident Capricorn is like Mt. Everest! Majestic!

Yes, you are right, except for the Cap Moons and the sexy Cap Sun there are two more Cap Suns working prominently at the company, and they are authentic, selfconfident and indeed majestic, and not fearful at all. Calmy charismatic, lots of oversight. And having a kind of austerity in common, I don't believe need for luxury is a trait of these particular Caps. They are way to busy working big PROJECTS and two of them are notoriously badly dressed, just not interested. My Cap Sun ex bf was badly dressed too.

They seem to have created a brand of status that only matters to themselves, proving themselves to themselves somehow in what they can do, not in what others think of them. Maybe they have accomplished earlier in life what took me such a long time: I am no longer very interested in what others think of me, where I once was very selfconscious and focused on others.

When these people go home at last and as last, the shops here are closed anyway!!!! ;D
O, I do know one very materialistic Cap Sun, but she is very unsure of herself, very aware of public IMAGE, a politician.

Ariesmoon, where was your Venus again? I forgot, sorry. Yes, it's kinda practical and good for your selfconfidence to go for someone who really goes for you. Being a bit down to earth in the early stages, use your ears and eyes, do you get on with each other, is he someone you can like? Liking is important.
People won't change that much. Go for what works, it did enhance my selfconfidence in a big way, while the going for what definitely did not work was quite detrimental to it. It felt like Don Quijote's battles eventually...

[3rdhousenorth]

Well, so much for the guy with the 40 synastry connections. I was supposed to see him tomorrow night (date #4), but he emailed me tonight that some prior girlfriend has suddenly resurfaced and brought up feelings he still has. Sigh. At least I know better this time - thanked him for telling me and said if and when he gets clear to let me know. I made the mistake of continuing to see someone before who had a prior attachment.

Did I mention that opposite my Ascendant/Moon I have Chiron? And it's now at exact Return?! (17/18 Aquarius - final pass on the return). The good news is knowing this time I deserve better and choose to take care of myself. I guess Chiron/Descendant lesson learned.

Sorry to be off-topic!