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Post by estrela27 on Sept 18, 2007 15:11:39 GMT
Dear Kim,
I am back to you, although you won't know, who I am. I was member here, had terrible problems with posting Charts, so I went away.
As I have steady pains (eyes, face, feel like a ring all over head) and don't know, will I ever get right therapy? I am trying to relocate because climate is one part of reasons, that I feel very tired and sleepy, have swollen face.
Question is:
Will I ever get the right therapy?
Date: September 18th, 2007 Time: 12:02 (noon) Place: Kranj Country: Si
My comment is:
AC = 23'31 Scorpio Mars = 24'52 Gemini Mars = 8th house
6th house = in Libra Venus = 18'19 Leo Venus = 9th house
There will be sextile between Mars and Venus in less than 6 degrees (I am just starting Horary).
Moon is in Sagittarius (1st house).
Moon application aspects:
Moon sextile Mercury Moon trine Venus Moon sextile Neptune Moon opposition Mars (bad) Moon square Sun Moon trine Pluto.
POF is in Aquarius, in 3rd house and has one good aspect.
I have tried alone more times, there was Mars always in 8th house, Moon VOC, too early or too late question.
Hope, somebody gives comment, because I can't live and be always sick. I would like to post the Chart. Where?
kind regards, estrela (Bobbie)
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 27, 2007 20:47:09 GMT
Hi Estrela,
I do remember and welcome back. I know we've pointed you to the directions for posting charts...I'll check those steps and see if I can write them out more clearly. Basically you have to have the chart hosted (on a free site like PhotoBucket) and then link to it.
I think it's going to be very helpful in reading this chart to let go of your assumptions that Mars is bad. Mars is action--and you need action. You need him. Be happy for any Mars contacts! He's what gets us moving, inside and out.
The sextile between your ruler and the ruler of the 6th is excellent! That means you are coming into alignment with the therapy you want. Right away that gives us a yes! The Moon describes that actions that follow and again, the link to Mars might be just what you need to get things moving!
Kim
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 27, 2007 21:10:44 GMT
I've just posted more instructions on how to get charts up on the forum. They are in the intro board--let me know if that helps!
Warmly, Kim
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Post by estrela27 on Oct 10, 2007 14:03:39 GMT
Dear Kim.
Thank you very much for reply. I have seen you and was surprised, how good looking and nice person you are. Normally (I know it from my life): charming people are also good people.
I didn't come here before because was sure, there will be no answer for me. But, there is! I am really unlucky with posting charts. I have them (Photobucket) on my Hormail address and now can't open it. Yesterday was no problem with that email and today is the problem.
About Mars, I was always afraid that is not good position to have them in 8th or 6th house.
I will try tomorrow again.
Until then wish you nice day, Estrela
p.s. I don't know, did I tell you, that by Regression without hypnosis I was hanging up myself in Past life. The lady, therapist told me, I have to suffer this life, because suicide is not allowed.
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Post by estrela27 on Oct 11, 2007 12:14:15 GMT
Dear Kim,
I hope, that Horary Chart will be seen. If not, it is bad luck.
I see now, it looks terrible. Even my Natal Chart is better. What is good, all three planets: Mars (ruler of 7th in10th), Mercury (ruler of 12th in 6th) and Neptune (ruler of 6th in 12th) have aspects in Natal Chart.
Kind regards, Estrela
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Post by ana on Oct 21, 2007 11:47:43 GMT
The so called therapist who told you you have to suffer in this life sounds like she does not know very much It was a stupid and irresponsible thing to say The worst I have heard about suicide is that you still have to come back to earth and have another life I would let go of that therapist's negative misinformation right now.............. I hope you find the right avenue to get some help very very soon
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Post by Kris on Oct 22, 2007 6:55:50 GMT
Dear Estrela, It is a shear non-sense the therapist told you.. I have been trying to respond ever since you posted for the first time but I could not since there was some problem with my PC.. I could not login using my PC to be precise..
Right now I am using someones PC which I cannot for a long time. So I suggest you give me a mail at (modified deleting email address) alongwith your birth details and email address so that I contact you directly through email.
Wishing you all good things.. Thre is nothing like impossible if you find the right path...
Kris
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Post by estrela27 on Oct 23, 2007 12:44:43 GMT
Hello Ana and Chris,
About therapist, she was right. I had Regression, 1992 and still have pains, now more than before. On all right side of the head, ear, face and the worst pain is in the right eye.
Anybody, who is writing and reading about Reincarnation or who has to do with Past life says, that if I do it again (suicide), I will suffer again. There must be something, because I have the same pains as by Regression.
I didn't believe, that Spirit is not dead, until my mother died. I was late for her funeral, had to go first to medical doctor to get pill and injection (I can't see dead people, at least my mother, she was most important person in my life). Funeral should be at 3:00 pm and I live in another country, don't drive the car. I came at 3:30 pm. There were two men, trying to lock coffin, but her Spirit didn't allow to be locked, until I came. After that was all right. I am the person, that must see, feel and not just listen to other people. In the cases, they are paranormal, I am really Taurus.
Estrela
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Post by Kris on Oct 26, 2007 6:35:50 GMT
Hi Estrela, Before writing about my findings working on your natal chart I like to clarify a point about the “hanged man” the therapist got for you. The Hanged Man card normally indicates the need to make some kind of self-sacrifice, or indicates a need to give someone or something up. This card does not always mean giving up something material or giving up a certain person. It can mean giving up inappropriate or negative attitudes or emotions that are creating a state of impasse. Releasing ourselves from a situation that has become stale, neutral or indeed negative, we can create a new freedom. The therapist’s understanding of Tarot was poor and thus landed you in worry. There is no way of knowing, for sure, what we were and what we did in past life and how it effects us in current life. Giving away these deceptive thoughts make like easier. In your natal chart, the ASC lord Venus is weak by house position in 8th. It has essential dignity in Taurus but acting without direction due to lack connectivity with any planet. ASC is more personal by nature and it’s lord not having work direction not necessarily create health problems. I absolve Venus. There is a real challenge for you with ASC hemmed between Jupiter and Neptune by about 7 degrees. Neptune the modern lord for your 6th house of health – pisces - is acting forward on your ASC from 12th house. Jupiter the traditional lord of 6th house is acting backward (retrograde) on your ASC from 1st house. All the three are in Libra that produce outgoing personality, diplomatic, sociable, good at debate and not argumentative. On the negative side Libra try to maintain status quo and never express anything that displease others thereby hiding the feelings. So far so good. But, Neptune in 12th give tendency to be deeply involved with unfortunate side of life, influence subconscious issues and produces fears and neurotic problems arising from the past. Though Neptune is in Libra the 12th cusp is in Virgo associated with health matters and repressed anxieties sapping psychic energies. That the Neptune(illusion) and Jupiter (abundance) acting on ASC challenge you abundantly. The 12th lord Mer in 6th complicate the thought process involving health issues and the complexity is seen with Mercury opposing Neptune. There is more to your personal style and utilization of energies and physical health with Mars in cardinal, fixed and fiery sign Leo in conjunction (7 deg orb) with intense Pluto. You handle extreme pressure very well in situations of fight for power of Leo type – its me. Thus there is so much of stress on your nervous system. Consider following charts among many that were generated by automation: The orb I used is somewhat wide. We can take these activations leaving with 2 years on either side of touch upons. 1) Transit planets on natal 6th cusp During 16-24 years your 6th cusp was opposed by Uranus and Pluto opposing your natal moon and mercury in succession and almost at the same time. 2) Transit Uranus on natal planets 3) Transit Pluto on natal planets 4) Progressed cusps by natal Sun Progressed 6th cusp is on natal Sun from 56th year onwards, say 58 amply suggest your concern for good health. 5) Potential Sick Times The final chart – sick events – show potential periods of health concern that can materialize provided some other conditions are satisfied. The chart as it is does not speak of the nature of illness. The blue blocks show that the native is acted upon whereas the red blocks show that the natives actions are a cause for concern. In your case, it was somewhat serious during mid 30s. The exact nature of illness and possible curative action are to be decided by further examination of planets involved. In your case it is all of Neptune and Mercury discussed above. CONCLUSION: HYPNO-THERAPY AND COUNSELLING SUIT YOU THE BEST because of Neptune at the center of all the problems. Although you need some medicine, soothing the nerve through meditation helps to a great extent. You need to moderate your feelings and concerns, stop being haste and conclusive at one go. Chiron on ASC magnify the feel of wound and loneliness. Sense it wisely. Talk to the people, believe them and follow them relaxing your psychic side. Its time to shun the negative side Libra and Neptune as a part of recovery process . So much of eclipse activity in your 6-12 house axis Pisces and Virgo (health and daily routine) in recent past corroborate the idea of something you have to do away in order to accomplish the goal. Wish you good luck Kris
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Post by estrela27 on Oct 26, 2007 9:01:37 GMT
Hello Kris,
Very nice from you to do all that. It is right most of them, you write to me. I know that.
My great disappointment is, that I can't get rid of those strange pains. My health is most important in my life. I had enough love, but no health.
Estrela
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Post by Kris on Oct 26, 2007 9:22:58 GMT
What an end to my effort Wonderful to forget the pains that way Good luck
PS: I used close orb for planets to zero-on the INTENSE health problem. Hence Venus had no connectivity.
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Post by estrela27 on Oct 26, 2007 10:43:32 GMT
Hello Kris,
I am thankful for your reply.
My Venus and my Health are two different areas. My health is always bad and don't know, when will be better? Why now, when all transits are away, except Uranus is coming to the 6th house?
You must understand also, that everybody has richness somewhere, even Closhards! They have no money, no house and no partner, but have very good health.
But Venus, why Venus?
I have feeling, I will never have good health! There is found something on my head and is not very nice. I didn't want to write about that, but have to. Who is going to help me about that, is a big question?
Kind regards, Estrela
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Post by estrela27 on Oct 29, 2007 11:23:16 GMT
Hello Kris,
I had to print all, that you wrote to me and then read and after all to understand. Now, I know why your explanation is so, as it is.
About conversation between you and me, it seems we are on two different tracks: you write there about Therapist, Hanged man and Tarot cards. Tarot Cards don't have Therapist and other way around, Therapist has nothing to do with Tarot. It was Regression without hypnosis, where I was leading by one Therapist (woman) to the Past lives, to find out where and what is the cause for my steady pains. In one of my Past lives I was hanging up myself. I was the "hanged woman"! In the moment, I was "hanging" there, I had the same pains as I have all my life (almost). I would never do that, if my medical doctor (female) wouldn't tell me, that she has done the same (because of steady headache). I should do it and I did. People, that are working with Regression, know much about Reincarnation, they explain that suicide is forbidden and spirit is going to suffer in the next life. That is me!
About medicaments, I will post later.
Kind regards, Estrela
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Post by Kris on Oct 30, 2007 5:02:09 GMT
Hi Estrela,
There are different systems in occult practice to look into future and the past lives. Be it regression, astrology, palmistry, Tarot, I-ching, Nine Star Ki etc, what we get is symbolism that must be understood in right spirit by the practitioner (therapist) and explain to the client in right (positive) way. Unfortunately the therapist gave you wrong message. You need not suffer provided you make all out effort in right ernest to get proper cure.
I have fair idea of different occult systems in practice. The symbolism for a dead body (be it hanged man/woman, just a corpse etc) is CHANGE and nothing else. Something need to change in order to accomplish the goal. This I wrote in my earlier post. Astrologically I have a method of looking into life during previous birth. The one for you did not suggest karmic suffering. YOU HAVE TO COME OUT OF THIS WRONG NOTION OF "BOUND TO SUFFER". Make an effort.
Your response (through email) to my suggestion on homeopathic remedy is vague. I understand that you don't believe homeopathy and hence you don't use it. Is it not wise to keep our belief aside and try something new when all other efforts failed to give relief ?
regards Kris
PS: Why did you edit the post dated 10/26/07 at 4:01. Those portions you deleted speak a lot about your mind set at the moment. Interesting for others to know and offer suggestions.
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Post by Juliet on Oct 30, 2007 7:28:49 GMT
Hi Estrela, I've been reading your posts for quite some time now. You seem so determined to suffer. You ask for advice and when someone very friendly and knowledgeable like Kris does so in a very positive spirit, you shun his advice because it does not fit your belief! Then you keep repeating you suffer from pains and you are so sure you will continue to do so and it is your fate. If you are so convinced, they will surely continue, but why ask for advice on this forum? What exactly do you want?
I got the Hanged Man throughout my last relationship and I had to let go of rose coloured glasses and take responsibilty for myself. There is always something to let go and the quality of my life has improved a lot!!!!! Something has to give obviously.
I know some people say about neck pains that it represents inflexibility, could that be an option? I advise you to take up meditation and let go of this fatalistic negativity! It can be done. I was practically an invalid till ten years ago, and always expecting the right therapy to pop up, something from outside. Wrong, I needed to change MY perspective in life. Who knows what will happen, keep your options and heart open, as Kim stated, maybe some Mars is needed! All my best, Juliet
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