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Post by primamateria on Jan 14, 2006 9:32:37 GMT
OK everyone... I wasn't going to ask this question, but happened to by accidently mentioning that I've been wanting to for ages. Well here goes... this is so important I am terrified to look really... do I take the 8th house as the property matter?? help!?? pm
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Post by primamateria on Jan 14, 2006 9:40:30 GMT
ps. I should probably qualify why this is so important - basically this is property from my marriage... without this money I will have nothing from the entire 13 year relationship except for four daughters. Its a very complicated legal case, because our house in Sydney and other assets were put in to my ex-husband's father's name (no I didn't know at the time) so I am taking both my ex-husband and his father to court. The trial date is not set yet but its probably in early March. With a good outcome I'll be able to buy a house for my children and I to live in. PM
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Post by Amoroso on Jan 14, 2006 14:47:17 GMT
I wonder if this charts is valid because you've been dying to know the answer for so long, and have probably asked it a million times.
Just thought I'd ask. Don't have much time these days but will pop in now and again!
Blessings, Amoroso
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Post by Kim Falconer on Jan 14, 2006 21:16:16 GMT
First of all, thanks for those clear insights, Jade.
I'm off to work now but will get back to this tonight!
The fact that Venus (the ruler of the 8th -- your money from Marriage--is conjunct the sun and sextile your chart ruler Jupiter (by mutual application!) is very reassuring.
More soon!
Kim
PS, and what did I say about 'burning questions' and the horary Moon 'last over' Mars? Here it is again!!! Defienatly a readable chart, I should think!
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Post by primamateria on Jan 14, 2006 23:17:59 GMT
Hi Guys... thanks and thanks and thanks... (Amoroso what are you up to??) first of all I am sure this is one question I really haven't asked! This legal suit has been developing for over two years and all along I have said to myself 'it doesn't matter, I've already won' (as in, I have my LIFE back, my children are happy etc)... it is only this last week or so that I've started to consider the possibilities such as 'winning' or 'losing'. It might have been the invoice for $15,000 in legal fees that has made me slightly nervous The legal firm (a large, successful firm) took my case on 'contingency' i.e. to be paid on settlement of the suit. Jade, your insights are very helpful... yes I am doing this out of love for my children, and their need for a home - and to keep us together. I do feel under threat from their father and 'his family' (this is how he refers to his parents - as if his children are not his family!), in many ways... it has also been a very real case of 'sticking to it' as you say, because my ex-husband and 'his family' have done everything they could to block, delay, obstruct and avoid... they are going all the way with this and not with integrity. I can't tell you how many horary questions I've asked that have Uranus on the ascendant... a puzzle. I hope some of these aspects between Chiron and Saturn and Saturn and Pluto will do something useful with the lies these people have come up in the course of the legal suit. Or I should say, in the course of my entire relationship with them... My solar return for 2005/6 shows Pluto in my tenth in the degree for which the sabian symbol is 'a widow at an open grave'... apparently about finding truth through exposing the past...there he is again in the tenth... I do feel that Pluto is on my side in this. does anyone else here see the 'altar of initiation' in this chart?! I'll be back later... buckets of gratitude, pm
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Post by guest prima on Jan 15, 2006 1:33:37 GMT
yes you are right about that too Jade, and it has given me confidence throughout it all... and it still surprises me that my ex and his father do not realise what they are up against - why they don't settle this before trial and avoid paying all my costs, theirs (they need two teams, because they are two parties) as well as having to sell up assets etc. Its just crazy, but they really believe in their 'righteousness' in this. pm
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Post by primamateria on Jan 15, 2006 1:42:53 GMT
ps. do you think that Venus 'combust' the sun implies that there is 'something hidden' about the outcome of the suit? Something I need to know in order to win or something I will find out when its done? pm
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Post by primamateria on Jan 15, 2006 2:41:04 GMT
lol!!! I love that visual!! :0 thats venus who is combust... because of her conjunction to the sun! But I can't really explain what that means exactly...
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Post by Kim Falconer on Jan 15, 2006 23:03:23 GMT
Hello PM & Jade,
The combust is applied to any planet within 8 degrees of the Sun but only if it is in the same sign. It can mean that the person ruled by that planet is at a low ebb or that their vitality is 'out shined' by the Sun--burnt up by the Sun. It can mean anything from shyness to illness to lack of libido or ability to see things through.
Curiously, the conjunction to the Sun is generally seen as favourable for outcomes, however. Venus rules your ex's bankers, investors and those advising him financially. With the ruler of 'his money' Rx and combust, it doesn't look strong for him! His advisors may urge him to settle.
The ruler of YOUR finances is Mars, about to aspect both of your rulers (Saturn is out of the picture by mutual reception to the sun).
The Moon's final aspects are the opposition to Sun/Venus--I don't think there is much chance of you getting on 'friendly terms' with your ex. I think (because your co-ruler Moon is STRONG in its own sign, he will be the one who 'suffers the most'--to quote the ancient interpretations. Certainly, he gets the least out of it...so even with an ‘even’ split, he pays the costs). Ultimately, it means 'pulling apart'--perhaps 'going separate ways.'
You realize that this case, this battle, is a very active and intense, ongoing, relationship between you and your ex. I know it's not pleasant, but it does keep you relating! After this, you will both move on.
We need to look for the parallel aspects (within 1.5 degrees and applying for the Moon)
Can you list them, if there are any. You'll have to look at the declinations on the pdf file --first page of astrodienst when the chart comes up)
North Node in your "money" house is very protective of YOUR rights--what is yours will be yours. The south Node in his 'Money" house says he will suffer some loss there (again, probably the court costs)
For the 'simple' answer to "Who wins?" we look to see which ruler is better placed. His ruler Mercury is Peregrine (not in it's sign, element or place of exaltation) and has an 'aimless' feel. Does he not want to let you go? Is that what this lack of willingness to 'settle' is?
Your rulers, (Moon, Jupiter and Neptune) on the other hand, are ALL strong in their own signs!!!. Jupiter read back in Sagittarius and Neptune is read in Pisces.
With Mercury sextile Pisces, there is a chance to settle out or court. He will be the first to make a conciliatory move (his ruler applying to the Sun). The sun changes signs before Mercury can reach him though, so he may 'miss his chance and wish later that he hadn’t)
I think that holding on to that beautiful thought, "I've already won" , reinforces that you've already recreated your life in a healthy and dynamic way. This is ultimately what matters most.
I think the case is more to do with your ex's inability to let you go than about the material content.
Blessings, Kim
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Post by primamateria on Jan 15, 2006 23:58:40 GMT
Hi Kim
THANKYOU SO MUCH!! I can't tell you enough how much you've reassured me...!
yes you are right about my ex not wanting to let go... even though he has now in another relationship he seems intent on 'punishing' me for the audacity of leaving him. However, my anger at him probably keeps the connection (albeit a very thin connection these days).. last night I dreamt he and I were having a wedding - a really beautiful wedding. Maybe I am at last integrating this shadow/anger into my self/Self.
His advisors may urge him to settle, but the man never does anything unless his parents give him permission - so even if he wants to he won't/can't. I wonder, with that venus, if he does have a hidden wish to lose this case.
here are the declinations... I've never looked at parallels before so thanks for the suggestion...I've just copied the list from the pdf I'm afraid...
sun 21'22 S moon 26'58 N mercury 23'59 S Venus 15'56 S Mars 17'55 N Jupiter 15'19 S Saturn 18'38 N Uranus 9'10 S Neptune 16'4 S Pluto 15'54 S NNode 2'56 Chiron 13'11S P Fortune 9'37 N
I'm not sure what to do with these... does that moon out of bounds make a difference?
peace, joy, pm
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Post by Kim Falconer on Jan 17, 2006 21:32:31 GMT
What are the House cusp declinations? Then we will look at the whole 'declination' picture. Kim
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Post by primamateria on Jan 17, 2006 23:43:48 GMT
Hi Kim,
here they are Asc 7'51 S 2 2'7 N 3 13'11N 4 21'35 N 5 23'0 N 6 17' 15 N Desc 7'51 N 8 2'7 S 9 13'11 S MC 21'35 S 11 23'0 S 12 17'15 S
hope that all makes sense pm
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Post by Kim Falconer on Jan 18, 2006 22:41:09 GMT
That's fine (you only need to post the first 6 as the opposite houses are always identical). I'll get back to this soon! Am running very short on time this week! Kim
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Post by primamateria on Jan 19, 2006 21:17:37 GMT
Hi Kim, ha, I was typing those in thinking exactly as you wrote... does the out of bounds moon have any bearing on this? this might sound strange but as I was checking my transits for the next few days I noticed that the moon is heading for libra so I cast a lunar return chart... it is strangely similar to the horary... I mean, its spookily similar.. here it is: <img src="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/primamateria/lunarreturnJan2206.gif" alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com"> sorry I know this isn't the thread for returns but comparing the charts I was amazed! Does this portend anything? peace, pm
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Post by primamateria on Jan 23, 2006 23:16:02 GMT
Hi, just a quick update on the legal proceedings... the pre-trial conference on friday didn't go all that well for me, and my legal team are calling in more expert opinions (at more cost ). But I have a trial date of 2nd March 2006 at 10 am. Hopefully the stars will be favourable for me... will check on that. pm
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