Sappho in Synastry

[Amoroso]

Dear All,

I have so many threads I want to start that I just short-circut myself.

Also, everyone is contributing such great ideas and I haven't been able to keep up or thank everyone, so I'll say "thanks" here!

Anyway, I am curious as to everyone's experiences with Sappho (#80) in synastry. Natally, she may be more important to some people than others, but in "The Ultimate Asteroid Book" by J. Lee Lehamn, the author states that

"In synastry, a tight conjunction (less than one degree) of each person's Sappho with a planet or asteroid in the other's chart indicates a very strong sexual attraction."

This is a good book on a subject that is still relatively new, but I have to disagree with her delineations of Sappho with the other planets in the natal chart.

Interesting that my husband's Sappho is directly conjunct my Ceres, my Sappho is directly conjunct his ASC.) I haven't looked at our Draconic synastry yet.

What is in your synastry chart(s)? Does Sappho involve wider orbs , especially with the planets, or does she conjunct within a tight orb as Lehman suggests?

Blessings,
Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

Blushing with light, thy votary shroud
And on those wings that sparkling dance
Waft, oh waft me hence away!
Love, my soul is full of thee
Alive to all thy sumptuousness. --Saphho

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Now, does that sound like an energy that only operates within a one degree orb?

Not in my experience. Not in my files.

Sappho brings new meaning to sexual attraction! She is a tactile, lushes, indulgent and heady combination that may express through song, music, fine dinning, lyrics, play, sensual massage, aroma therapy, pleasure and naturally, sex. Aspirations augment, as do creative drive and vitality! The view of the world can become extraordinary, intoxicating.

I get all tingly just thinking about this contact!

Kim

[svenskasfinx]

Ok I have something to add.. before I sleep.

My husband's Sappho in Taraus 10 degrees in the 12th house...My Sappho Libra in the 5th house 16 degrees.

Mine is Opposite his Venus/Apollo/Lust combination trined his Iccarus in Aquarius.

His makes trines to my Moon Stelium in Virgo...and Sextile to my Sun Stelium. *sigh*

(I have another huge amount of Sappho aspects to someone else..but I would expect that... the friend in question has Psyche/Mercury/Eros opposite my Sappho and his own Sappho makes an exact trine to my own..his in Aquarius mine Libra.. (his in my 8th house, mine in his First house) needless to say, his words move me.

Never mind.

take care,

svenskasfinx

[Amoroso]

Dear All,

This is a continuation of the thread under "asteroids" in which I asked for information about everyone's natal Sappho and how you may have felt her influence.

In this thread, how, or who, "woke up" her energy within you? If you think of "people has permanet transits," as Kim is always teaching us, who or what in your life used to, or presently, stimulates your Sappho and how? Please be sure to list her by sign, house and aspect. (I will use Svenskasfinx's post as my first entry!)

We have discussed her influence elsewhere on this forum. "In synastry, Sappho highlights sensual and sexual attraction. Transits involving Sappho highlight common ground between people and accentuate interaction with close freinds."

I will add my own observations shortly.

Thanks!
Amoroso

[Kris]

Dear Amoroso,

I find a few but very tight synastry contacts involving Sappho between me and SHE.

My Vesta at 1 CAP trines her Sappho in Tau (0 orb)
My Sun and Sat quintile her Sappho (2 and 3 deg )
My Venus and Neptune oppose her Sappho (1 and 0 deg)

My Sappho is not receiving any major aspects from her natal planets and asteroids.

Her Sappho is in my 10th but on 11th cusp (2 deg orb).

It all started with me humming a romantic song. Transit Sappho was not connected to any of my natal planets or asteroids but transit Uranus exactly opposed my natal Sappho. I don't find any significant contacts transit Sappho makes with her natal planets and asteroids.

There were no dialogue at all between us but deep feelings were always present. I always feel like singing as I come across her. But I dont, by putting myself under strict discipline.

I fail to understand the synastry. For me Sappho invokes deep sense of friendship with others always. I never had sexual feeling for her; my Sappho is not at all connected. I always had a feel of love for her.

What is it Sappho for her. Her natal Sappho makes lot of significant contacts.

conjuncts Juno (3 deg orb)
sextile Psyche (0 deg)
square lilith (1 deg)
trine adonis (1 deg)
conjunct Mer (5 deg)
sextile Jup (1 deg)

I am not sure in which house her Sappho is since I don't her birth time.

[glow=blue,2,300]I think Sappho Juno conjuct induce too much of sexual feelings with her natally (Juno the mistress for pure sexuality - Magi astrology) and the square to lilith magnifies the tendency to attract. Her Sappho Juno conjunct is activated by my Venus Neptune conjuct. I always wanted a deep(Scorpio), love relationship(Venus) with her.[/glow]

I zeroes on to the placement of my vesta, venus, neptune and her Sappho, Lilith at critical/anaretic degrees where the bodies overdo representative issues. The placements are responsible for the sense of urgency and too strong desires. The activations may be coming by polarity from transits. I don't find anything else.

regards
Kris

PS: I may not be able to post message for the next one month as I am proceeding tomorrow to my hometown for my daughter's counselling leading her to B.Tech admission. She did well in the qualifying examination and in the entrance test. After 4 years of hardness, me and my wife hope that she secures seat in a leading college and in a demanding branch. My son, doing 11th standard, has already joined hostel. I shall be back with my wife and SHE CONTINUES TO STAY WITH ME.

[anitaw]

I just looked at mine and my partners chart for Sappho, mine is conjunct his moon to the degree and his is trine my venus to the degree!

[gemstar]

I posted additional synastry information on the other post....now I feel like I am split...should I paste the synastry over here as well? My post held lots of information but was also indicative of HOW my Sappho works in action...that is why I posted the example on the other thread.

For now, I will just leave all as is...or I can split the two. I just do not want to duplicate...Kim, let me know if you want me to split my other post with this thread....I just LOVE Sappho so the more the merrier!!

[mar]

Hi

I have now looked also at Sappho in the relationships I feel probably had some sort of Sappho element. Namely my best girlfriend whenI was at university - this had the very close same sex relationship combined with elements of shared interest in artistic pursuits - music and visual - she introduced me to someone who offered to let me join his private painting lessons in fact. This relatinship felt fairly restrictive in the end as it was in conflict with my developing close relationships with others really - especially my boyfriend at the time.

My Sappho is at 10 43 Aquarius on the 5th cusp, conjunct Saturn, square Neptune in the 2nd and almost exact semi sextile to Mars in Pisces in the 5th.

The synastry with my best friend is that her Sappho is at 10 43 Scorpio exactly square to my Sappho, conjunct my Neptune, trine my Mars and Mercury and sextile my Pluto.

We were very different and there was a lot of creative exchange. I would say I learnt to express the airy side of sappho as there was a lot of intellectual exchange about art and philosophy.
My Sappho is square her Neptune - but really it is square everyone's from that generation. I imagine that the double Neptune link was relevant though as her own sappho was conjunct Neptune natally. This probably partly explains the deep bond we formed at the time. There was on her side a fascination with artistic, beautiful things and people although she herself was very practical and more scientific.

My boyfriend at the time has his Sappho at 16 Leo - exactly conjunct my North Node. He acted almost as a wake up call to the restrictive element of my friendship with my best friend - I needed the intimate, sexual side of a relationship as well as the best friend. The theme of sexuality in general was around at the time as a friend fo his had just come out as being gay.

The only aspect my Sappho makes to his chart is also the square to Neptune - I know he found the friendship I had with my best friend elusively threatening and infact felt it to be the reason we split up. Around that time of our split I felt very alone and had such strong emotions I wrote a lot of poetry. All such Sappho themes really

What I find interesting is that I have been feeling the need over the last month or so to understand that time of my life again just as Neptune is transiting my South node and a very big Sappho themes is dominating my life and feeling like a point of arrival - fine art education for women. So I find it fascinating that Neptune, North Node Sappho are so interlinked with that time.

It is very spooky that your post got me lookng at Sappho just at this time really Amoroso - but I guess the heavens work in this way...

Mar

[Amoroso]

Wow, great responses! Thank you!

Svenskasfinx, I imagine that seperating out all the influences in your fifth house is a rather moot point. The point is that it is a power house fifth house, and it is not surprising that a large portion of it would be projected out onto more than one individual. It may take awhile to own all the energy yourself! The paradox is that Sappho contains a certain yearning, a longing that probably doesn't sit well with Leo's influence. (fifth house) Leo loves to be recognized, praised, admired, so the expression of Sappho needs to be "rewarded" somehow, I would think.

Kris, remember that synastry contacts can go both ways. I was so interested to hear that "it" started with humming a romatic song when Uranus opposed Sappho. Which house and sign is your natal Sappho? We had a discussion on Juno in Magi astrology on another thread. Best wishes for your daughter!

Anitaw--quite a loving combination, all flowers and feel good stuff!

Gemstar, I was struck by your words "often I communicate the deeper emotions on behalf of both of us." My Sappho is at 28 Gemini in the 8th, the exact midpoint between my Sun at 20 Gemini and Venus at 6 Cancer. Last month I sent a letter to C., totally baring what I think is between us and has had to remain hidden. And I always am the mouthpiece for my husband and me, not to mention the two arts' education organizations I founded, one consisting of a consortium of four female teachers and one a singing school for girls!!! As Kim said on another thread, all valid expressions of that Sappho between Sun and Venus.
I have more to add on the natal thread, but that'll have to wait. It looks like your Sappho is the midpoint between Venus and Juno --arts' partnerships would be right up your ally! Not to mention all those other midpoints it looks like your Sappho activates. You've got a similar situation to Svenskasfinx as far as sorting out energies. And I do think there is a motion across the 7-8-9 houses. What I have discoverd in this relationship with C (his name asteroid is exact conjunct my Sappho, his Draconic Eros is exact on my Sappho, and that's just for starters....) is that by waking up Sappho, my entire chart has woken up.

Mar, that is so amazing about your friend and what you are uncovering. Yes, Sappho can manifest as deep same-sex bonding that is not sexual. It has for me, too. I would think Sappho in Aquarius would make friendship doubly important. The study of arts' education is an 11th house ideal for you, and Saturn's proximity and with the square Neptune, has just made sure you learn to stand up for what you want.

More over the next few days.

Blessings,
Amoroso

[Kris]

Dear Amoroso,

The details concerning the house, sign placement and the aspects made by natal Sappho are posted under the thread "Sappho by Sign house".

Yes, synastry contacts go both ways. How to know its influence on other party when there was no communication at all. I am forced to guess by considering general rule that says "in a synastry contact the feel of contact is very intense for the asteroid person than the planet person". In this case, my Venus, Neptune conjunct exactly oppose her Sappho, Juno conjunct.

To know the "it" part, please follow the thread "That Venus Day" started by me under "Astrological Events".

regards
Kris

[svenskasfinx]

I was looking back on an ex of mine, that I really went mad for..

I realised that although there were no Eros/Psyche conjunctions (however a conjunction of his Mars to my Eros/Psyche midpoint)

the only major aspect that I could relate to as the "neediness" and my want for his companionship and the suffering was a Sappho conjunction of his to my First house Stellium (which was on top of my Sun, but also conjunct with my very close, Venus, Mars, Aprhodite and even Pan) Needless to say, he could either go along with me and make me feel happy or go against my need to see him and make me feel very bad.

It lasted about 2 years.. and it started off as a friendship, he was in fact a rival to my possition in the band I was in, being another bass player.. and we were always in such non-constructive conflict I felt even more repressed and needy, and then he started getting jealous of the friendship between myself and the man who's place he took.. in spite of his abuses of the friendship we shared together via, heartless practical jokes.

I think about that now only because I recently got very angry, and I recall never being so angry since then.. when my husband wanted an explaination to my anger, and the last time I expressed it like that, I couldn't help recalling exactly what someone did to me to get me to that point...

This brought up a discussion about our feelings..which seemed to be something we need to talk about.

(probably not Sappho related however we did happen to be able to discuss things which sort of mended our situation)

take care,

svenskasfinx

[gemstar]

In my synastry that I have outlined in the other Sappho thread..(which I can take apart and move it over here if need be), I just remembered that my Venus-Sappho stellium directly conjuncts his Venus-Psyche midpoint!!! Wheeeeee!!!

So much energy....my question to Amoroso is this....when your Sappho has been 'lit up' by someone...does this also mean that your Sappho has lit up the other person's chart as well? Because we are constantly aspecting other's points and planets, how do we differentiate the small nuances from daily transits to the really transforming contacts?? I realize this may sound confusing however I am not sure how to interpret the big from the small (essentially).

For me personally, everything always feels big.....I have a ton of water in my chart, even though I am a Gemini...

Does my Saphho/Venus stellium light up his Venus/Amor/Eros stellium as strongly? (All in conjunction). The energy is present...no question. I just want to 'hear' more confirmation than I receive....silly I know....I KNOW the answer (it is YES!) and still feel the need to confirm. Why do we always desire more answers when our intuition gives it to us silently....the longing of my Sappho wonders if the same feelings of longing are felt by my Other?

Hugs-
GemStar

[Amoroso]

Dear GemStar,

Yes, I know exactly what you mean about needing more confirmation. As Kim has said, all synastry aspects are two-way.

I will share with you some thoughts on Sappho, born of my becoming reaquainted with her ienergy this year. I think she has always been a "guiding light" for me, but since she is the midpoint between my Sun and Venus, her health is dependent on the healthy expression of my Sun and Venus. In the years right before she was reawakened by C., I went through a violent Transiting Pluto in opposition to the Sun. My Sun had to be transformed before Sappho could reawaken.

So, I can not imagine that the essence of Sappho would not be awakened by you for him and vice versa, based on the stellums you mentioned. But the expression of her is as varied as there are human beings. I have actually "expressed" her more in writing over the past year than directly to him. I don't think the feelings invoked by her are always directly expressed to the beloved!

Blessings,
Amoroso

[gemstar]

Hello Amoroso....Interesting that you mention a Pluto opposition Sun transit...He is finishing one up this Fall and outwardly, it is difficult to say how this has influenced his Life. I think it has not made it's Final mark yet...and with Uranus crossing his Ascendant presently, it is possible that He will open up...!!?

Today we had our daily one and a half hour discussion and it was one of those days where he was really expressing his thoughts about his work and how/why he is brusque with his patients...where he can let up and when. Because he is not so open to talking about feelings, just in general, it was nice to feel an extra trust with him today. A vulnerability in his character has been slowly creeping into our conversations. I ask him about feelings more, in a non-threatening way (like work-related etc...) with the idea that he will become more comfortable expressing his feelings openly and showing the world....a vulnerability. It seems to be working!

Truthfully, I feel that he has had so much emotional damage in his life that he has blocked expression of softer emotions....showing only the tough ones and hiding behind a protective wall of sorts. Because we have invested so much time in getting to know each other, the base of trust is quite strong. Perhaps Sappho will be expressed in a gradual manner as he opens his Venus petals....

I totally understand about Sappho also expressing indirectly. Like you, I have expressed more in letters and messages than directly at him. With his Pan nearby, I worry about activating panic within his stellium. So I have decided patience is a beautiful thing and the intimacy that has evolved-incredibly priceless. In today's world of 'go-go-go' and 'instant gratification', patience can rarely be found. His Saturn sits on my ASC and conjunct my Neptune....cause for a slower ride. What do you think??

Today was special somehow....nothing in particular, just the interchange was deeper....more intimate (not in a sexual way)....just that, intimate. I feel that Intimacy is where Love really blooms...

Maybe we too often expect that 'verbal explosion' of sorts...perhaps Sappho wants us to consider other, even non-verbal, ways to express her feelings. The non-verbal understanding between us is undeniable....and when I over-flow and HAVE to express, I DO!! (Without abandon I might add!!)

He rolls along with me and never lets me know if I have caused panic....ha,ha....he just takes a day or two to handle the rush of feelings perhaps I evoked...and comes back sweet and more connected somehow. Yet does not discuss his feelings. Darn....

So....I let him be Him and believe that if anything I have ever said truly upset him, he would swim away and definitely not call so often....instead I hear from him every day and we connect. Both feeling joy even from the smallest exchange of thoughts. Besides, what guy do you know calls a gal, talking for over an hour every day...and doesn't have stronger feelings...??

[sielou]

I have got two very good male friends with whom I have my Sappho (15.41 Cancer in my forth house) in a conjunctions with theirs.

A was born March 2 1974 in Halmstad 11.35 am and
B was born April 5 1981 in Borås 9.56 am.

I have also noticed that I have a few similar aspects between my chart and theirs>>
I have my IC in a conjunction with their AC, my Mars is opposite to their vertex and these conjunctions between our Sapphos.

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I also noticed that I have my Sappho in a conjunction with this destructive man I fell in love with (we have an astonishing composite!! He was born July 4 1977 in Visby at 1400. I now have quite strong suspicions that he has a Narcissistic Personality Disorder and I know that he has a antisocial personality disorder also). What I mean is that my Sappho is in a conjunction with his Sappho. He has his Sappho in a conjunction with his own Mercury.

Is this the reason his words has such strong influence on me? I guess that my having Mercury (lord of my Gemini Moon) as a Singleton may help in this regard. And his zodiac Mercury with his Sappho is also conjuncting my dwad sun in Cancer.

Hope this helps Amoroso!