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Post by Kim Falconer on Jan 26, 2006 23:12:39 GMT
Hello AllegoricalLogic,
Welcome to the forum!
Thanks for the link--It's got some great info--
Just a word of caution (this is my Saturn in Scorpio in the third speaking...) Be circumspect about these kinds of 'score sheet' techniques. They are instructional, perhaps, but they also through us back into the terrain of making value judgements about how a synastry aspect might play out in any given situation. When you see the phrase 'red flag', you aren't going to read on with an open mind about that contact, and that 'belief' in what the contact may 'do' can start to effect your experience of it.
Stephen Arroyo (wonderful astrologer) always says, "forget about 'how' the synastry planets are aspected at first and just note that there is a connection. The more connections, the more going on between you!" He was saying that it was more dynamic for two people to have Saturn square the Sun than no aspects to the suns at all.
I don't encourage 'scoring' synastries in any way--but I agree with AL: Reflect on past relationship charts and note recurring themes. That's very helpful!
Warmly,
Kim
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Post by jamma on Jan 26, 2006 23:18:17 GMT
Dear A-Logic ...
Thanks for your wonderful suggestion about comparing the synastries of past significant others ...
It's such a logical idea that I completely missed it (my Sun, Moon & Merc are in Pisces!) ...
But what a revelation ...
Three out of the four men I've had long-lasting relationships with had Moon in Sag, all conjuncting my Juno ...
And another man who has me mesmerized now has his Moon at the same degree Sag as one of the others ...
But here's something odd:
Four of them have Mars at 29 degrees (with one at 0 degrees):
two at 29 Cancer
one at 29 Pisces
one at 29 Virgo
one at 0 Gemini
I wonder what this repeating Martian degree can mean ...
I'm going to take a look at Eros, Psyche, Vesta and the Liliths next, because they seem to have interweaving contacts in the synastries, although not repeating in each ...
Thanks again,
J
P.S. After I investigate further, I may move this post to a new thread on recurring themes in synastry ...
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Post by allegoricallogic on Jan 27, 2006 10:28:03 GMT
Hi Kim
Thanks for the welcome. Regarding your thoughts on the synastry link I posted and the scoring system:
I appreciate the information on the Cafe Astrology site and have found it beneficial in my quest to better understand synastry. That said, I would not consider that site to be a stand alone, end all be all source of synastry information. Having Saturn in 10, I do appreciate the structure that site provides as a basis of astrological analysis. Likewise, I get a kick out of reading astrology cookbooks such as "Planets in Composite" by Robert Hand or "Synastry" by Ronald Davison. But then my stellium in Sagittarius kicks in and I reach for Stephen Arroyo's book "Astrology, Karma and Transformation." I believe as Carl Jung stated, we seek projections of our psyche. So if if you need or your psyche needs to create a "red alert" aspect with a partner, thats what you'll inevitably find. As someone with Mars in 7 T-squaring 5 planets, I can appreciate the "red alert" aspect, having experienced and felt it several times in close personal relationships. I think we all have our own inherent "scoring" system that fulfills our Karmic purpose in life, and as you say, I'm sure it prefers a "red alert" aspect to no aspect at all. Thanks for the feedback.
AllegoricalLogic
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Post by allegoricallogic on Jan 27, 2006 10:44:15 GMT
Hey Jamma
You're welcome. I'm sure you're onto something when you look back on your connection with men having Moon in Sagittarius. My personal experience indicates I have a connection with women with Moon in Libra conjunct my Uranus. Throughought various stages of my life, I've been in at least 3 significant relationships with woman that have that aspect. The obvious connection is that the ruler of my descendant is Uranus. But looking deeper, Uranus also rules my Karmic North Node. You may want to examine and determine what someone's Moon in Sagittarius stimulates in your chart to get a better idea of what it is you may be consciously or unconsciously seeking in partnerships. The same investigatory process my help you find the 29th degree Mars connection as well.
And you may want to examine the composite Eros/Psyche/Juno patterns, even if you don't have an exact time of birth for your partners. Of the 3 examples I mentioned, I had composite stelliums involving Eros, Juno, Psyche, and multple personal planets.
Good Luck!
AllegoricalLogic
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Post by Kim Falconer on Jan 27, 2006 21:58:12 GMT
AlletoricalLogic took the 'words right out of my mouth', Jamma!
If you want to know what 'it means' to have those recurring themes, see what they mean to you. What does 29 or 0 degrees trigger in YOUR chart--or your progressed chart at that time? The conjunction of Moon/Juno is a particular kind of relationship--delve into what that means to you now. Like AL reminds us, (al la Dr. Jung) Every aspect of the psyche seeks outer manifestation--and in astrological terms, that means EVERY planet in the chart is seeking outer manifestation. What better way than through partnership???
My Dad had Moon at 23 Libra. My 3 long-term live with and/or married to relationships had Moon at 22, 23, and 24 Libra.
Father stuff?
In part, but mostly longing for the ineffable--my Neptune is 23 Libra, and so is Spika!
Follow the treads and see where they lead!
Amoroso, are we too far off topic? We are looking at Long Term relationships though...
Warmly,
Kim
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Post by jamma on Jan 29, 2006 5:59:35 GMT
Thanks Kim and Al, I can be pretty dense at times, although I DID try to relate those mystery degrees to my natal but came up sort of short (just Hermes at 29 Cap) ... But then I looked at my Draconic chart and BOOM! ... My natal asteroid stellium (asterellium??) of Eros, Euphrosyne, Mnemosyne and Oceana conjunct South Node and Valens Part of Marriage at 7 Sag all translate to either 29 Virgo or 0 Libra (sheesh, you might have thought the "0 degree" would have tipped me off!) ... So my past enamorados had their Mars bouncing off my Draco Eros & Friends ... And, their Sagittarius Moons were conjunct my Draco Sun! Is there such a thing as wearing one's astrological "coat" inside out? Perhaps I've been running around acting like a Sagittarian all these years and didn't know it ... Maybe it was an adaptation I learned so I could relate to two Libra parents ... or a defense mechanism to protect the tender Pisces parts ... Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction (again!) ...  xoxxx J |
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Post by Kim Falconer on Jan 29, 2006 21:10:02 GMT
Yes, I think the coat does get turned inside out at times...even when that inner lining is not being outwardly expressed. It can be projected onto others quite naturally.
The whole thing about these recurring themes in relationship is that they represent our own 'familiar ground'. In some way, they relate to an essential part of ourselves that we want to embody, express or simply love.
What ever part of our own familiar ground, ('what is written' in the chart), that we are not in touch with consciously is going to pop up in others--as Jung said, "We people our lives with bits of ourselves.'
The patterns are the 'people-ing'.
Kim
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Post by AquarianEssence on May 28, 2007 0:07:41 GMT
This intense tribute to Eros has been on fire for nearly 2 1/2 years. Do you see the flames? I thought it appropriate to bring it forward once I was fortunate enough to find it, since Eros now hesitates to leave Capricorn a little longer before turning direct to move into Aquarius. This was written before I ever found Kim's forum but it is still alive and hot, as anything that is touched by Eros is. Kim and Amoroso's words made me realize just how much Eros played a role in my meeting my husband. It seems Eros crossing Saturn in Scorpio and Pluto crossing natal Eros brought a passion to be free from what was no longer productive, my marriage. It, as Kim said, was an unconscious relationship, "and conventionally set-up arrangements, which conform to collective norms, and ignore the individuation requirements and the particularities of the participants.”
When Pluto left his home he took my 28 year marriage with him. Some time latter, when he and Psyche were closing in on my Eros and tr. Eros reached 26Sagittarius I felt if I was matter falling in on itself into another world. Uranus joined in like a bolt of lightening sextile Eros. I met my Eros, one that I'd seen as a guide in meditation. Only on the earth plane instead of touching me safely in the privacy of my mind he taught me what it is to love so deeply that it seems your heart beats through the power of that love being returned. Then I experienced what its like to have my heart forceably taken out of my body and put in a cage, just like Eros was imprisoned by his mother. With Amoroso, I could have said, "...But this is a sort of sweet pain, a tunnel into her soul that she knows he has opened. The lump in her throat threatens to choke her and his eyes stay on her. There is no move to touch each other. But the touch is taking place on another level every bit as real...", as I yearned to touch him but wasn't allowed.
Like Psyche we were given seemingly impossible tasks but fortunately, after 1 year, a wound to my arm, a permanent wound to his status in society, he was returned to me. I didn't even notice that recently Eros transited my Chiron, heralding the end of his legal tie to that wounding experience. The end of June he'll make his Rx pass. Perhaps by that time my legal ordeal over the wounded arm will be complete so it can heal and Eros can truly be direct, unhindered as he moves into Aquarius.
Thank you Amoroso and Kim, for this wonderful sharing of yourself.
Love, Light and Eros
Connie
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Post by Kim Falconer on May 29, 2007 4:39:38 GMT
Dearest Connie,
It moves me deeply to hear you express this experience and connect with the words of this thread that's been running for so long. That's what the forum has always been about, the gift of meaning and shared experiences.
You've lit up my day!
Love and light,
Kim
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