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Post by AquarianEssence on Sept 14, 2006 9:08:42 GMT
The IAU's decision to place this body in a position inferior to her brother Ares, I hope, will be overturned. It is sad that still the female counterpart is considered less than the male. We'll see what the uproar with the other astrologers produces.
I see in her naming more clues that she is connected to Libra. Quite often in myth the sister is also the wife. I also hear the similarity to the name Eros.
The 3 goddesses stepping up to claim the prize for the most beautiful reminds me of how so many step up to take credit for terrorist attacks whether they did it or not. Interesting that the one chosen was not chosen for her true beauty but what gift she would give. The gift of the winner, it seems, was her mother? I'll have to research that one.
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Post by svenskasfinx on Sept 14, 2006 10:10:08 GMT
Eris? Is it THE Eris (goddess of strife- not exactly related to Ares.. but she was supposedly born out of the same Chaos that supposedly bore an earlier form of Eros- Either way I find it kind of interesting: I recall reading the myth in a small booklet called "THE PRINCIPIA DISCORDIA" which retells the story of the Apple- Eris and the contest as well as the Trojan war in a comical sort of way.. (most of the book is nothing I took seriously, but rather with a grain of salt): " Her geneology is from the Greeks and is utterly confused. Either She was the twin of Ares and the daughter of Zeus and Hera; or She was the daughter of Nyx, goddess of night (who was either the daughter or wife of Chaos, or both), and Nyx's brother, Erebus, and whose brothers and sisters include Death, Doom, Mockery, and Friendship. And that She begat Forgetfullness, Quarrels, Lies, and a bunch of gods and goddesses like that." Source: www.cs.cmu.edu/~tilt/principia/body.html " What We Know About ERIS (not much)" In this naming I suspect that the Principia Discoria has actually got around alot more than I thought. I only wish that the "Situationist International" had equally as much press. The most famous tale of Eris ('Strife') recounts her initiating the Trojan War. The goddesses Hera, Athena and Aphrodite had been invited along with the rest of Olympus to the forced wedding of Peleus and Thetis, who would become the parents of Achilles, but Eris had been snubbed because of her troublemaking inclinations.
She therefore (in a fragment from the Kypria as part of a plan hatched by Zeus and Themis) tossed into the party the Apple of Discord, a golden apple inscribed Kallisti – "For the most beautiful one", or "To the Prettiest One" – provoking the goddesses to begin quarreling about the appropriate recipient. The hapless Paris, Prince of Troy, was appointed to select the most beautiful. Greek mythological morality being what it was, each of the three goddesses immediately attempted to bribe Paris to choose her. Hera offered political power; Athena promised skill in battle; and Aphrodite tempted him with the most beautiful woman in the world: Helen, wife of Menelaus of Sparta. Paris was a red-blooded young man, and while the length of time he meditated on this problem is not recorded, he did eventually award the apple to Aphrodite."Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris under: " Characteristics" Thank you for keeping us up to date! Svenskasfinx
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 15, 2006 4:13:39 GMT
Thanks for the report on Eris, aquarianessence, and the mythology, Sven. The key to Eris is hidden inside the mythology of the 'Uninvited Guest'. I'll write on this and post it to my Eris (formerly 2003UB131) page. Kim
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Post by AquarianEssence on Sept 15, 2006 9:22:52 GMT
One story does seem to show her relationship to Ares. Qften there are more than one version of mythological stories. I think they chose the name Eris because it means strife. Look at the war raging now and the strife that the terrorists cause. Look at the strife the discovery of this body caused. Even the astronomers are split as they strive to redefine the universe.
Pluto has been split from his family becoming a step sibling rather than full blooded brother. I am the first born of my father and I was always amazed that my youngest brother who called me momma for his first couple years later said, "my dad" rather than, "our dad" when referring to our father. Pluto and I have a lot in common. We're both the dwarf oddballs that travel a different path. Then as soon as our oddball partner, co-worker is discovered we suddenly become outcasts, uninvited guests.
Strife is also shown with two faces by Hesiod. One causes splits but the other is productive and causes our daily needs to be supplied. Even splits can be productive and a certain amount of strife is necessary to accomplish anything, even orgasm. Think of the friction necessary there. ;D In music, we often hear discord and enjoy hearing the resolution when the movement goes to the 7th chord and back to the base note.
The IAU has given a new number to Pluto now too. It is 134340. Thats a 15. I quite often wondered why I didn't see the devil's number connected with the Pluto and the underworld. Now it is.
I noticed the similarity of the names Eris and Eros. Eris is behind a lot of revolutions and wars too. Eros can lead to Eris which results in growth.
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Post by svenskasfinx on Sept 15, 2006 12:49:30 GMT
Kim mentions "The key to Eris is hidden inside the mythology of the 'Uninvited Guest'." I think that is where we start, when someone doesn't get the respect or equality given to others, as in the wedding that Eris wasn't invited to, being considered a "trouble maker" one can see the echoing of the "Wicked Fairy" in "Sleeping Beauty"- perhaps instead of thinking they could slip any problems they may have with her by "forgetting" her, they got her rage instead. I think the lesson learned here and with the idea of terrorists are that everyone should have the right to speak their peace, equally and be invited to do so, even if they decline the offer.. not just simply "neglect" them, I suppose alot of other "strife" could be spared if people actually did that instead of the "passive-agressive" opps. In the end, growth can happen when we FACE the things we ordinarily find ourselves in avoidance of.. I know the relief when it so much less a problem than imagined. svenskasfinx
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 15, 2006 20:56:57 GMT
Svenskasfinx,
Bingo.
That's exactly what I was thinking!
Thank you for this articulation.
Kim
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Post by AquarianEssence on Sept 16, 2006 11:27:50 GMT
I can relate to this very well. I have been the troublemaker in 2 workplaces, clearly an uninvited guest into the way they do business. Looking at the transits she has made in my chart clearly fit this theme but also the idea of strife being work necessary to provide for daily needs or even when that strife hasn't been respected as enough. Apparantly Hesiod distinguished between these two faces also. It takes struggle to bring order out of chaos.
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 21, 2006 21:41:22 GMT
Hi Everyone, My astrologer friend in the States, Zane Stein, has done it again. Like his revolutionary work with Chiron years ago and so many new bodies, he has a site for Eris that includes astronomy, myths, and astrology--extensive research, ephemeris and dates of conjunctions. He's a busy Gem and done some fabulous preliminary work. Have a look.... www.zanestein.com/Trans-pluto.htm#UB313Warm wishes and blessings over the eclipse. Kim
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Post by AquarianEssence on Sept 24, 2006 1:00:34 GMT
Nice work. I'd like to add my own thoughts. I'd like to share an article I've written on Eris. I've also shared Phillip Sedgewick's keywords along with a link to his article, well thought out, I might add. I hope it stimulates further developement of what this new body wishes to teach us. www.geocities.com/aquarianessence/aquarianessence_2006/eris.htmlThere is one browser I viewed it in that doesn't quite display it right so I hope yours works well. I'll have to figure out what the problem is. Some of the navigation links won't work yet as I haven't uploaded everything.
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Post by blueorchids on Sept 24, 2006 23:32:26 GMT
Wow! Thanks AquaE and Kim too for Zane's information. Very intriguing reading, but she is a complex character isn't she. Strife can surely incite growth and stoke cataclysmic upheavals...for better or worse.
I note that my Eris is identical to My Eros, both in Aries house 4 and both at 10 degrees conjunct the 8th degree Mars. To have Eris and Eros at the same spot merely intensifies my belief that my 4th house will always be the pulse of my most "bubbly" challenges. I also have my moon there so c'est la vie. That item pairs up to trine my 13 Sag ascendant and Leo Uranus 8th house. I note my young son has his Eris right on his Aries MC. It will be interesting to note how that Eris plays out....
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Post by AquarianEssence on Sept 25, 2006 9:17:02 GMT
So would it be true to say, Blue, that you are a passionate "table turner" of sorts in the depth of your being? Do you perhaps throw out seeds of strife that challenge the status quo for the better, although not without controversy? Is your son also like this, especially in his field of work?
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Post by blueorchids on Sept 25, 2006 13:31:17 GMT
I'm not sure about that Aqe but I think my behaviors, my accomplishments sort of defy convention and stoke controversy. My son is 13 but he has had such an extraordinary life already and with a sun/vertex/north node conjunction in H5 & Moon in 10 with that Eris and then a saturn in 7 --he has a distinct mark on him. He is going places far and beyond what anyone in this household imagines. I feel that in my soul.
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Post by svenskasfinx on Sept 25, 2006 13:54:36 GMT
My natal Eris is conjunct my natal Hygiea at 10 degrees Aries: This is mearly 4 degrees from my NN. at 14 degrees Aries, however it is not considered exactly conjunct as the orb may be too much for an asteroid or planet of these sizes, however Kassandra and Yangchenning is conjunct my natal NN.. both have predictive qualities... and links to the IChing. I see this Eris in exact square to my natal Sun, and none of the site so far address the issues of squares and oppositions, only conjunctions so far.. My little son, definately has Eris at 19 degrees conjunct his MC and Moon being at 17 degrees - its definately a huge part of his nature, just as his Moon/Vesta conjuct MC in Aries. In my husband's chart Eris is conjunct Pallas-Athena; When we think about what we each bring to a synastry chart with each other, our son's Moon/Vesta/Eris/MC conjunction is on top of my husband's Venus/Apollo and my own Vesta/Saturn/ Part of Spirit/Eurtrope There is some naturally ARIES energies going on there, and they happen to project themselves as a group of us being people who somehow live together but act like a multi headed, chaotic "monster" who doesn't know if we are coming or going In the best times I think we go in the same direction, but remain independant, while our son "riles" us up a bit... we equally find "strife" but also "progress"... we are all growing, and with Aries in such strong place of expression for our son, he naturally projects this energy, if we don't express it ourselves. Most of the times, when we are doing what we should, he's just a gentle little Taurus boy.. who loves to smell the flowers, not the constant embodyment of "strife", no, that's MY job... after all, I'm the "Moon", his momma, perhaps there is alot about me which embodies Eris too. be well all, svenskasfinx
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Post by AquarianEssence on Sept 25, 2006 14:43:48 GMT
I think squares may work with 4 degrees. I have Eris at 8 Aries with nodes in 5-11 at 11 apparant and 12 true. I had obvious blocks in my relationship with my mother. First of all, I was embarassed for a time over the way she was judged because of her sexual prefrence. Also her woman didn't like me, although she liked my brother. It may have been I was too feminine for her or it may have been my mom's obvious prefrence for me over my brother because he reminded her so much of my dad. They had a blend of lover/mother-daughter relationship so she may have looked at me as competition but I don't compete with anyone, just myself.
If there have been issues of contention (repressed or actual) involving health and hygene in relationships connected to the house position then I'd say 4 degrees isn't too much. Perhaps there is something you knew but no one would believe you at first. What comes to mind as an example for myself, is 25 years ago my son getting one ear infection after another from a play mate that had chronic infections. I knew it was contageous but the doctors at that time all said it wasn't. Now they know different. Also the constant antibiotics caused him to be the only one in my family with alergy problems, not as sever as his playmate though. He has asthma because of it. I have Kassandra 73 degrees from Eris, by the way, so they're quintile.
Are there ways not being a source of controversy blocks your light? Look at what your Sun wants and the kinds of strife Eris may need to stir up according to the Aries-Libra theme and the house position.
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Post by blueorchids on Sept 25, 2006 18:08:16 GMT
Sven that's so uncanny about your son since ours has his ARIES moon and mc contacting that ERIS. My son has his sun in sag but a rising cancer which nicely softens his fires but he has a scorpio mercury and he is intensely capable of stirrring things up usually for the better. He was the only student at 11 that stood up in a catholic school and spoke out against homphobia. He also likes to tweek me. I see that alot. LOL. Thank god I have an aries moon too. He is inordinately persuasive and powerful (sappho, pluto mercury scorp conjunctions)and must be reminded not to overwhelm and plow over others with his keen "powers". That is an odd conversation to have with a young child but one which I think is helpful. In this life, you can be a Martin Luther king or a Mussolini. LOL.
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