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Post by svenskasfinx on Sept 26, 2006 9:02:23 GMT
Sven that's so uncanny about your son since ours has his ARIES moon and mc contacting that ERIS. My son has his sun in sag but a rising cancer which nicely softens his fires but he has a scorpio mercury and he is intensely capable of stirrring things up usually for the better. He was the only student at 11 that stood up in a catholic school and spoke out against homphobia. He also likes to tweek me. I see that alot. LOL. Thank god I have an aries moon too. He is inordinately persuasive and powerful (sappho, pluto mercury scorp conjunctions)and must be reminded not to overwhelm and plow over others with his keen "powers". That is an odd conversation to have with a young child but one which I think is helpful. In this life, you can be a Martin Luther king or a Mussolini. LOL. Well because your son is older you could give me some hints as to what directions you have seen your son go in when he was arround 5 or so. My son has Uranus in his 7th as opposed to Saturn there though, with a firey Leo ASC, a full 10th and 5th house.. Have you noticed that we and our children carry in our charts different combinations I consider "signature" energies? You know, as in my family we have that all going on Juno/Ceres conjunction .. it seems even my great grandfather had it and he was born in 1891! My son has my signature "Pluto/Pallas Athena energy (with the two in conjunction) but his father's "Pluto in the 5th house" I see his own energies such as an out of bounds Mars relating to my own, but his conjunct the vertex and Chrion in energeric and firey Sagitarius in his natal 5th house conjuct My Natal DSC as almost a physical challange the entire time! It being also my husband's DSC being more than likely the same physical challange.. Lets face it, we don't call him Super energy boy for nothing . I see this Eris/Moon conjunction as just an expression or an indicator of this same energy in practice.. and lets face it, I KNOW at this time in his life, he is a strong little rabble rouser.. and understands the working dynamics of causing others to "conflict" Possibly that Uranus on the natal DSC from the 7th is another indicator. Perhaps he can be a Gandi, and motivate people for justice, or he could be an iron fisted dicator.. it could go in any direction, I just hope he gets the correct messages I've been subling sending him while reading "the Lorax" . Take care and be well, svenskasfinx
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Post by svenskasfinx on Sept 26, 2006 9:25:57 GMT
..."I think squares may work with 4 degrees. I have Eris at 8 Aries with nodes in 5-11 at 11 apparant and 12 true. "..... ah well the squares I have with the Sun and my Nodel axis in Aries/Libra 11th (NN) 5th (SN) seem to sugest that the Venus/Mars conjunction (with the Sun as the midpoint of the two) is a need to combine 11th house issues with 5th house issues. Eris and the placement Squared the Sun directly (and Pan) probably speaks of this focus on the conflicts I have with communcations as my Sun is the ruler of my 3rd house- I suspect that this could also say something about my brother and how we relate to each other, because he's had some great difficulties. In our sysnastry we both have a mutual Saturn conjunct SUN. (mine on his, his on mine) I also note that my husband and I have a Hygeia/Pallas-athena sysnastry exactly conjunct the others placements.. It really speaks about the dynamic of our point of views with each other and possibly why it works out so well (to me anyway) (our composite places an exact Hygeia/Pallas-Athena conjunct the ASC from the first house!) .Are there ways not being a source of controversy blocks your light? Look at what your Sun wants and the kinds of strife Eris may need to stir up according to the Aries-Libra theme and the house position. I think I don't want to be a source of contraversy, and although when the issues come up on occasion I never back down from it, never.. its sometimes almost all encompassing, for example the case of my son and my husband and I going to buy a pair of shoes. My son first off looks and picks the shoes he liked; they were not the ones my husband wanted him to pick: they were the lavander sparkely "girl shoes". When I took a neutral stance at it, and said, basicly while trying to support my son, to my husband "if it were my choice, I understand, I'd buy them for him.." to that my husband UNFAIRLY said "you only take that side because you see it as a political/socieological issue" I pointed out after that unfair statement, "just because a boy wears "girl shoes" it doesn't automatically make him homosexual.. besides that, you NEVER deny the boy the dress.. it only makes them want it even more.." I also pointed out at this point in time, its much "safer" to express ones self differently from the group when you are only 5 as opposed to 12 or 15.. when you would "allow" him to make his own choices of sparkles or not.. I also mentioned that maybe it wasn't the fact our son was trying to rile him up but rather, if you looked at the way the shop was, shoes and everything, the boy's stuff was so drab in comparison, he picked out the most visually interesting of all the shoes (although I was partial to the sparkly Gold ones).. I don't think his father "fears" homosexuality in his son, however he does fear the ramifications of being considered different.. in fact I'm scared he is going to squelsh our son's creativity and indiviuality if he remains so scared.. even in other matters not in relation to gender "conflicts" (although how can shoes be considered "gay"?) Right now he's scare our son may have to start school late, and this may "ruin" his whole life.. because he can't always be "arsed" to follow simple orders. (Eris again?) As far as Hygeia goes though, in my own chart in exact conjunction with Eris, I discover that my choice in eating makes more conflicts as I belive that all illness can be food related.. (but isn't that Ceres?) Our whole family as much as I've had my share of problems.. is as healthy as horses! We are vegans, and according to one book a direct translation of the title only emphisises we bring only "strife": "Vegans those who disturb".. Perhaps Hygeia is hanging about with Eris too much . thanks for sharing your insights, svenskasfinx
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Post by AquarianEssence on Sept 26, 2006 9:44:51 GMT
I think this is a good example since the Sun rules our children and the things enjoyed. My son wore long hair for a time. It was beautiful white with a touch of gold and ringlets, just beautiful. His dad made fun of him. He eventually cut it all off, all, and it is that way to this day. He's developing a lot of health issues, so strange for our family and so young. He's working for the same company as his dad and his body is telling him its not right for him.
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Post by svenskasfinx on Sept 26, 2006 15:17:59 GMT
I think this is a good example since the Sun rules our children and the things enjoyed. My son wore long hair for a time. It was beautiful white with a touch of gold and ringlets, just beautiful. His dad made fun of him. He eventually cut it all off, all, and it is that way to this day. He's developing a lot of health issues, so strange for our family and so young. He's working for the same company as his dad and his body is telling him its not right for him. I should amend my ideas there about just food being the source of illness, but what we feed our mind (12 house), and what jobs we do, or living environments we take (6th house) also effect our health, especially considering your son's problem, (and so many other people who take jobs they virutally hate but can't quit, either because of social expectations or because we feel we have no other choice. Sad he has to cut off his own self expression (his long beautiful hair) in order to please his father... as much as I make alot of critique against my husband's ideas, I understand that some of the expressions of such oppressiveness can be SO much stronger when not confronted, its as if you listen to what they say just once, they have you in their grips "forever".. I think somewhere along the line, especially with sons and fathers, in the parenting experience we as children or we as adults have to find a place where we can be who we are and have the respect of those we love without fear of ridicule or even subtle forms of domination.. I think my Eris operates directly (considering the square) with my ego expression (the Sun) and between the two, if there is even the slightest hint of bad feeling, there is the old Strife (possibly constructive, possibly destructive) but ALWAYS direct, Especially because of a First house Mars/Sun conjunction.. however if I let my bad feelings "fester" the explosion is worse, considering a natal Mercury in 12th house/Square Pluto/Pallas-Athena /Uranus/Promethius/in the 4th. It gets seriously quiet and somewhat ready to "detonate" especially with a T-Square with Medusa in the 10th at 23 degrees Piscies. I see that in spite of it all, there is absolutely no way to repress any of this energy without conciquences and sadly, or gladly, people who I have relationships with, wether family or friends must be mature enough to deal with the silence or explosions. You mentioned Pluto, alienated from his family.. and transiting Pluto is filling in the end of that very volitile T-Square making an opposition and two squares and making the T-square into a functional Grand Square (by transit). This is a learning exprience, definately. As I am totally dealing with the "alienation", I am also dealing with the guilt from the fact that my brother is going to be a father soon and I can't be there to congradulate him, or do something to help out for him myself...(mainly because of the political climate of the world and my fear of never being able to come back home if I visit the US...) My little brother has Sun conjunct Eris, btw.. be well, svenskasfinx
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Post by AquarianEssence on Sept 26, 2006 16:38:02 GMT
That's sad, sven. Do you mean your country might not let you back in? What is going on that could cause that?
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Post by svenskasfinx on Sept 26, 2006 18:35:18 GMT
That's sad, sven. Do you mean your country might not let you back in? What is going on that could cause that? No, that the US may just take my passport.. knowing their policies had changed in the past 8 years. I am utterly worried about that, I can travel almost anywhere, but I still worry because the US has taken passports away before, in spite of residency and homes in other countries.. I should have just hurried and got my citizianship papers here but I didn't know I was going to be unable to travel this last summer and I made plans for Manchester, UK which didn't work out because of a death in the family.. so instead of not wasting my "down time" I sat about doing nothing. The problem is, I need to turn in my passport and my husband says that they can delay giving me a new one until all the paper work is in.. HE thought it was a problem, I thought, the sooner the better, either way, he said "but you can't travel without a passport..." and so we delayed the process. Don't worry, its not about this country, its about the US, after all they have been known to mess people around, in spite of everything.. I won't take the risk and then be "homeless" in the States on top of it..
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Post by AquarianEssence on Sept 27, 2006 8:52:44 GMT
That's awful, I didn't realize. We seem to spend a lot of time and effort here suspecting and harassing the wrong people in the name of "justice" and "safety". I'm sorry.
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Post by svenskasfinx on Sept 27, 2006 9:05:55 GMT
That's awful, I didn't realize. We seem to spend a lot of time and effort here suspecting and harassing the wrong people in the name of "justice" and "safety". I'm sorry. Perhaps its also in the name of "burocracy" and the old "Murphies Law" in action as well, knowing my luck, I suspect that I better play it safe and only travel to the states with a Swedish passport they can't exactly "revoke" for capricious reasons.. Although I have no kind of criminal record, and I didn't show up in any FBI files (as I have been very political) in the past, these days, you can never be too certain about who's rights are they going to take away next. Its supposedly worse than traveling in WW2 these days, and even small children are suspects.. as well as help monkeys and seeing eye dogs.
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Post by blueorchids on Sept 27, 2006 15:16:10 GMT
Sven,
Sorry I am just getting around to answering...
Your son has LEO ascendant. LOL... Ours has a Sag Sun and also the heavy 5th house (did you know Hugh Hefner has a loaded 5th house....all issues aside with girlie magazines, Hefner essentially started a sexual revolution in this country--talk about stirring the pot...)
My advice, and I am no expert, (the more mistakes I make the better parent I become...) is to simply be honest and speak to him early on these issues. By the time my son was 2, I knew that he would be unusually bright but also capable of reading people and situations. He and his sister are very kind loving people but I know unlike her (she has her saturn right on her south node at the top of the chart and seem a bit intrinsically guilt ridden (makes me weepy)and charged to care for the world and right slights around her, he could ride all sorts of crests and waves without looking back at anything or anyone. He does have his Mars Cancer sitting in the 12th near his ascendant. He can be quite sensitive.I have simply made a habit of asking him how others might feel and small things very early like taking note of relatives birthdays and making card for them, shoveling everyone's yard when it snows, being really actively involved in helping his sister with her violin playing (he helped her pass her summer jury and went from being a sort of brusque bossy little old man teacher to a more encouraging compassionate one...)
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Have you noticed that we and our children carry in our charts different combinations I consider "signature" energies? You know, as in my family we have that all going on Juno/Ceres conjunction .. it seems even my great grandfather had it and he was born in 1891!
A Juno Ceres conjunction. Wow! That seems so nurturing and relationship oriented!! The feeding and caring of bonding perhaps?
I have five siblings. I am now just getting all my data together on them and my parents. I have noticed immediately that many have heavy handed stelliums. I do not but I have a brother with 6 planets in Taurus, Another with multiple planets in Libra. I also have seen very tight Chiron to personal planets in synastry among family members particulary Mercury and the MOON.
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Post by ana on Nov 10, 2006 2:04:37 GMT
Some remark somewhere made me have another look at Eris I came across a wildly anarchic site by someone who claims to worship and revere Eris It goes on for more pages than I had patience for but it is a lighter playful edge to Eris and she inspired it Having it in a G X I was anxious to find something that lightened it up a bit and this is it albeit very long and loony www.verthaine.sphosting.com
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Post by flower on Nov 25, 2006 5:17:55 GMT
"Eris - Discord and the Dialectic Process
It appears that the philosopher Hegel saw the evolutionary stage that is beyond Pluto. Hegel saw the dialectic between thesis and antithesis as a constructive process that leads to a higher synthesis.
There is a discussion of Hegel's ideas excerpted at:
www2.pfeiffer.edu/~lridener/courses/HEGEL.HTML"
This is incredibly interesting. Thank you for including the link Kim. Personally, Eris is conjunct my Sun and gives much food for thought. A person I knew also had their Eris conjunct my Sun. Much came of that...more than I can include here.
Regards, Flower
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Post by flower on Nov 25, 2006 5:37:33 GMT
p.s, the link is found under Zane Stein's site through Kim's post on pg. one.
I guess this is why Eris can also be known as the uninvited guest!!
"The phenomenological dialectic is a sort of via dolorosa which common sense consciousness must undergo in order to attain authentic spirituality; or it may be likened to the painful path which Plato describes in his Republic by which the person chained to the world of appearance becomes liberated and gradually, painfully, ascends through intermediate forms of opinion and belief to genuine knowledge."
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Post by waterman on Nov 26, 2006 12:30:31 GMT
How do we take Eris for interpretation? I have her in 8 @ 16°23' Aries She trines Uranus (in 4, ruler of 6, orb 1°) exactly sextiles Jupiter (ruler Ic, in 6, orb of 5') BQ's saturn (ruler of 5 in 3, orb of 12') also squares Mars & Mercury (in 11) (but the orb is around 6°)
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Post by flower on Nov 27, 2006 6:28:08 GMT
Waterman, I don't feel qualified to give you an "official" (whatever the hell that means...lol) interpretation BUT -
How do we take Eris for interpretation? I have her in 8 @ 16°23' Aries She trines Uranus (in 4, ruler of 6, orb 1°)
As mentioned, I have Eris conjunct Sun. She and He just so happen to trine my Uranus so there is a commonality there between our charts even though the houses are quite different - but the energy still exists between the two for us natally (Eris and Uranus)...
I'm wondering what Pluto might be doing then.
For example, Chiron is the gateway between Saturn and Uranus. Maybe in some fashion and according to Hegel, Pluto is the gateway to Eris... It (in the above artical through Kim's post) states that he saw the evolutionary process beyond Pluto, so what then is the mid-wife so to speak in this evolutionary birthing? Pluto? With Pluto being "dwarfed" lately, why are we even speaking of something "beyond" Pluto...something called Eris and questioning it's position to Uranus in our charts?
The gateway between Uranus and Eris may be Pluto...you have Eris in 8th traditionally ruled by Pluto. You might want to check your Pluto.
Uranus rules your 6th but is in your 4th. What job is Uranus doing then for your 4th house that is trine Eris in 8th?
And Jupiter ruling your IC but in 6th.....that seems interesting to me as there is a correlation there between the 4th again and Eris in 8th, Uranus in 4th ruling the 6th. Some kind of expansion Jupiter is affording you with this "work" of Uranus....I would think it's all a blessing!!
I hope this makes some sense....LOL. Flower
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Post by flower on Nov 27, 2006 14:08:52 GMT
I realized I forgot about Neptune in the order of things.....Uranus, Neptune, Pluto.... Maybe scratch my whole post....Any body else got any ideas?
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