Mars 7th house questions

[ariesmale]

I have a 7th house Mars opposed by orb with my moon saturn conjunction in my 1st house. 7th house Gemini. Mercury near the end of my 5th house cusp conjunct Ceres.

I am interested in a Mars ruled Aries woman right now...much younger than me. Her Venus is in conjunction by orb to my mercury.
Is the mercury 7th house rulership venus contact. what makes me love her so much.

I've read that someone with a mercury ceres conjunction nurtures through mercury things. I tend to write or type alot when I feel blue.
Plus I've had people tell me I have a soothing voice...almost can relax and lull people in calm states mind. I've been able to talk to some pretty scary types....killers, criminals, even emotionally distrurbed people. I also enjoy singing and spend my day in conversations chatting up the mailman, the checkout girl, etc.

I wonder if my moon conjunct saturn opposing my Mars in 7th house is what makes it so hard to make love connections.

I do have other qualities like I'm a 5th house Aries sun....and my contacts with my love interest involves a tight conjunction of her juno to my Venus conjuncted by my 5th house sun. Mainly its me that loves her and intents on marrying her. However even the most promising aspects doesnt guarantee that someone will feel the same way.

The sad part is that no matter how much a person loves another or how kind and attentive and how favorably aspected one is with someone else. It doesnt guarantee that the ones we love will love us back. Especially when it involves huge age differences, height differences (shes taller than me) and factors like money and status. She definitely holds all the cards.

Such is life.

[pam]

Hi AM,

I too have a seventh house Mars in Gemini opposed by a first house saturn. My moon, however, is another difficult configuration. My Mars in Gemini tends to describe my penchant for conversation with my significant others, my tendency to express my anger through exercising the entirety of my vocabulary, my skill in sarcasm, and my attraction to intelligent and versatile men. I've even narrowed down a particular birthdate, June 7, which is significant in my chart. My best friend for the past 34 years has that birthday, as well as a host of other people who have made a significant impact on my life. The first house Saturn tends to describe the inferiority complex I had in my earlier years, and the opposition describes my tendency to second guess myself before I make a move. this is sometimes good and sometimes bad.

Synastry describes the effect that people have on us, but it doesn't guarantee anything. I was totally enamored of a man with whom I had textbook perfect synastry. We had the sun-sun, sun/mars, the double mars/venus, ascendant conjunct descendant, sun/moon contacts, moon/ascendant plus a few Saturn and Jupiter contacts. We were totally uncivilized when we were around each other. The heat was unbelievable. And he loved big women. thought that I, at 195 lbs, was a tad small. and he was the best looking man I had ever seen in my life. Looking at him made my toes curl. Was smart and well read and fun to talk to. Spoke another language. And had that birthday. What happened? Nothing. He was a bad a bad point in his life and had some major issues. He was not on the Market. I cried and ate a quart of frozen dessert every night and gained twenty pounds.
such is life.
Why don't you post your birth info? You keep giving snippets of information, but really, nobody can tell anything from the scattered bits and pieces that we see from you.

I would like to put this in your ear. focus on your Mercury/Neptune contact. And check out your parallels. And your Mercury/Uranus contact. And please, please, please don't think your chart dictates your life. It merely describes your tendencies. Most of us write like we forget that, but it's real. You can overcome your natural tendencies if you want to.

[Aphrodite]

Hi Ariesmale,

I too have a 7th house Mars - in Aries - 29 degrees - on the Descendant - in close aspect to Uranus in the 10th house. Ok. Done with the intro...

My comment is about your group of postings. The repeated question: Is it this _______ or is it that _______ why I love her? ;D Yes! It is this and that and many other things - all very complex. Great synastry is a good start! Yet, my love stricken friend, you are going about it all backwards. So let's go back down the path for a moment...

We meet people every day with the same aspects that do nothing for us. Pam alluded to timing, and that is one consideration. However, we also have to think about what we create when we come together with another person (not necessarily intimate!). Just as we live out the energy of our natal planets through the resident houses, a couple lives out the energy of their combined planets through the houses of the relationship (composite) chart. You have pointed out several nice compatible aspects between you and your friend. Now you must find out if this relationship has a place to go. What is this relationship good for? Take a look at your composite chart to examine the possibilities. What would you and Cassy do together if she came to you? Could you come together to live out your mutual dreams?

Aha! Mutual dreams? Backing up just a bit more, wonderful synastry aside, do you know what makes her tick? Who is this person? You see, it all starts with the natal charts. So far you have only noted one thing about her desires: her driven Capricorn Mars. What else does she want? At this point in her life, what is her capacity to sustain a relationship? What is yours? What does she want from a partner? And what do you want from a partner?

I know you are looking for answers, but it is too much for a forum. Even an experienced astrologer will need many hours of work and research to put together a complete couples reading. It is way beyond the scope of what can be handled on the board. Nevertheless, we all pretty much started from where you are now. A professional reading would be great, but most of us just work through the bulk of it on our own. The Internet is a wonderful resource and Kim has a great starter page that you can find here: www.falconastrology.com/astro_compatibility.htm.

Good luck with your studies! Come back with specific questions if you get stuck.

Aphrodite

[ana]

I got into astrology originally because of synastry and wanting to find how to have a PURRFECT relationship He Ha I now have an easy relationship with synastry and no relationship with a human............but still hoping even at my rather late late middle age!!!!!!!!!! Intuition is the way to go I think and astrology backs up every nuance that you feel every time..........

[ariesmale]

well thanks for the responds Ana and Aphrodite (what a nice name...riding on a wave she came..singing as she called my name)

well astro info: born 4-17-1957 10:10pm Harlingen Texas


Mercury is mainly only trined by Jupiter...not really exactly sure where ever midpoint is in my chart. There are some nasty oppostions and squares involving my sun, venus, mars, moon saturn, uranus, neptune. They are significant since they involve my 1st, 5th, 7th, 8th, 11th houses.

That was a good question however it sounds kind of like a:
"You probably wouldnt know what to do with her once you got her" I'd find unique ways to enjoy newfound love and happiness.

I am a much better person after I fell in love with her. I was pretty much apathetic and just numb to live...I started like taking care of myself more, exercising and contemplating giving up some bad unproductive habits. Mainly I enjoy hearing her voice and being around her makes me feel more optimistic and she reminds me of a beautiful spring day....I still feel like I have spring and summer in me..that is faded into autumn.

I just might be trying to hold on to my endless summer...facing the decline and youth long past. I imagine its unfair to hope to hold on to summer and spring through her.

sooner or later we all have to die. Even the beautiful beauty queen gets old, the beautiful rose who has begun to wilt. such is life.

[ariesmale]

Aphrodite you say you have Mars is Aries in 29th degree? I have my Venus very close to 29 degrees Aries. I have noticed that when transitting Mars is late Aries....I have way too much sexual lust going on from lots of people. I can tell when women are staring at my ass...because it starts feeling hot and its like I'm being watched. Pity I'm not promiscuous or else I'd be having a buffet during those times. However I'm more interested in quality not quantity.

So do you find people with Venus near or at 29 degrees Aries....attractive...say with a "how my heart burns for you" type of response? Just curious is all. Most people dont mind being thought of as sexually attractive to someone else (within reason of course).....I could link a photo of me..and you can see for yourself.

I think it works both ways...I probably would find a Mars in late Aries woman attractive or at least she'd catch my eye. Be interesting to see.

[Aphrodite]

AHA! LOL! I was wondering when you would catch on to the connection. By the way, your Mars is on my Mercury/Juno conjunction. My Moon on your IC, in your 4th house, but conjunct the cusp. And, yes, I did notice your Sun/Venus wedged in between Mars, my 7th house ruler and the descendant. Not much fits in that little space, so I couldn't help but notice!

Hey! I had not forgotten you. Just haven't had time to finish a decent post. Wait for it, please. In the meantime, immediately pick up a copy of 'Saturn - A New Look at an Old Devil', by Liz Greene. It has been in continuous print since 1976, and for good reason. It is the original Saturn bible! The library might have it or you can get a used copy for about $5. Since Saturn aspects your Ascendant and every planet in your chart (including all the handmaidens of Venus) so closely, you absolutely must spend some time with this book. The only planet(oid) that Saturn doesn't aspect is Pluto. The square to Jupiter is over 9 degrees. The opposition to Mars is over 5 degrees. Other than that, all the aspects are TIGHT (less than 1 degree).

Please let me know if you are having trouble finding a copy of the book. I can help with that.

Aphrodite

[ariesmoon]

I can vouch for how good Liz Greene's book is - I refer to it over & over again. Saturn in my chart opposes Venus, squares Neptune, is inconjunct Chiron/Jupiter and trines Mercury. She is spot on about its role in my chart. I've learned so much from this book.

[ariesmale]

Wow Aphrodite. I'd be curious how you would respond to a picute of me. Although I find that physical proximity works much better but a photo can also evoke sexual chemistry with people who's charts denote at least sexual attraction.

My response to women with Juno aspecting my SUN venus conjunction is a certain desirability almost idealizing them. I think a woman with Juno and Mars conjuncting my SUN-Venus would probably get my heart racing. Since my experience with the female who's Juno almost conjuncting my Venus exactly is one of deep love..like an urge to run off with them to Reno or at least run off with them and get married to them for the weekend. Lots of enlarged pupils and an urge to be with them in a full blown relationship...plus dislike of anyone else. A feeling like my love and my body belongs to them exclusively.

That Saturn Mars opposition can make me cruel. While in a 5th house SUN Venus mode. Like for instance as a 6th grader I'd catch grasshoppers and put metal pins through their heads and make them dance up and down with magnets and put on a "puppet show" for the other kids. Needless to say...that got me in lots of trouble. One teacher said "how'd you'd like it If I did that to you." Which I replied...just you try...while thinking "how'd you like it If I did that to you?" Besides grasshoppers are pest..ever heard of locust devastating farms and food crops....OH PLEASE! I was not cruel to cats or dogs...however...or people in general.

Oh I might disagree if someone said someone thought a girl looked like a young beautiful Elizabeth Taylor...and say "oh but her boobs arent as big and Elizabeth Taylor had a much more beatiful face.

Well no ones perfect!

[ariesmale]

Gosh Aphrodite I didnt realize that my Saturn was aspecting my Sun and Venus. Maybe its a blindspot when it comes to the other aspects other than trines, squares, oppositions, sextiles.

I'll see if I can locate on of those Liz Green books at Borders books in Salem Oregon. (one of my favorite places books stores of course) Saturn seems like a major wet blanket on alot of things. I wonder if its what has made establishing love relationships so hard.

did you already do a composite chart comparison of our charts? I imagine we'd probably have alot of planets near or in the 7th house..based on your late libra rising sign and my Sagittarius Rising sign. That would make composite Rising sign in Scorpio and and mid points of Venus and Mars would probably be in Taurus.

You'd be somebody who I would either be instantly attracted to or else I'd feel like I was about to be eclipsed and be saying to myself...oh my god I could be become so emeshed with this person I wouldnt feel like a person without them. I dont like that either. Which tends to make me run away or subconsciously sabatoge my relationships. I do have fear of abandonment issues. which tend to become self fulfilling. theres always a danger when you place too much importance on other people that they leave you in the lurch...and I dont like the feeling of floundering without them.

I read where Venus opposed by Neptune can sometimes make a person feel unappreciated and make them self sacrificing for love and taken advantage of...by con people who can capitalize on a person in love with love so to say.

I also can be cold as ice when I dont feel a fated connection...that Venus trine Pluto...demands almost a fateness or a sense of destiny with someone before I feel its right.
If it aint there I wont be moved by pleads or tears....Its either there or it isnt with someone.
The Pluto energy almost always insures that despite destruction of relationships and such..that its usually for the better..because I meet better people later on...or will.

Like recently I ended a relationship with someone who's Venus conjuncted my Moon and Saturn. They still werent the right person for me...and I could feel it...their Venus oppose my Mars.
They did not sexually attract me. I was very nuturing to them. I think I was involved with her because she was crippled and I enjoyed cooking, cleaning, doing alot of beautifying of the garden, and home enviroment. I was probably more of an attendant than love partner. Lots of hands on healing touch type of thing. Like massages and warm hugs without the sex.

She expressed alot of anger because I felt comfortable nurturing her and stuff like that but in a detached way...and she knew I was not ever gonna marry her or be deeply in love with her. It just wasnt that way nor did she fit any pradigm of what I thought my ideal love partner would be. I winded up living with her...but only to nuture her and not to be with her romantically. Still my home enviroment is very important to me. Plus well she being crippled and me being very active playing tennis, running, being a bruising muscular football player type just was just too much for me. Plus I told her honesty was a huge for me..and she dared to lie to me...several times. I was there...all she had to do was appreciate me and treat me respectfully...and she choose to take me for granted and was disrespectuful to me by lying..and worst of all she wasnt a very good conversationalist.

I guess I'm unusual in many ways.

[Juliet]

Hi Ariesmale, Unusual? Well, you chose to live with someone who you obviously did not respect or even like that much at all but you expected respect from her in return... I find that pretty unusual yes. Are you angry with her? Good of you to be so nurturing.

My bf has the Neptune Venus opp too, and was very much into nurturing, (something he associated with unconditional love) and that got him into pretty complicated and unhealthy relationships, where he was the practical caretaker, which got him all angry eventually. Then he started to realize he needs to nurture himself. I went through a similar process, I used to be the emotional caretaker in an unequal relationship, although I do not have a Venus-Neptune aspect. But it got me angry as well and I started the journey of loving and nurturing myself too.
Then we met.

Ideal love partners do not exist.

[Aphrodite]

Jan 28, 2009 19:44:02 GMT ariesmale said:

So do you find people with Venus near or at 29 degrees Aries....attractive...say with a "how my heart burns for you" type of response?

Hi Ariesmale,

I just had a look and can only find one relationship with a connection here. It is an enduring love relationship. The love of true friendship. His Venus at 3 Taurus and his Mars at 29 Aquarius. His Saturn/Juno closely conjunct my Venus.

It was 1993. We met at work and he turned out to be one of my neighbors. I was recently divorced and he had been separated from his wife for a long time (years). I had absolutely no goals for our relationship, but was content to let him come over to hang out and have drinks at my house. We traveled together, as well. We had a lot of fun bitching about my ex and his ex and getting drunk all the time. There was a lot of heat between us, but mostly we climbed into the bottle and not into bed. His age (17 years my senior) and alcoholism got in the way of any physical aspirations. We still had fun, though. It didn't matter to me. We were very good friends.

Initially our Venus/Mars and Venus/Saturn/Juno connections blinded me to his faults. I felt sorry for him and made excuses for him, but I began to worry. Yes, I was depressed over my divorce and needed to check out for a while. However, I didn't want to stay drunk forever and waste my life away.

One day he revealed that his wife was coming to live with him! <wait for it...> She was fired for alcoholism and had no where to go! That was it for me or so I thought. Saturn ties are binding. He was my friend and I felt so bad for his sad life. He continued to lean on me for several more months. Eventually I finally sat him down and told him it was over. He did not take it well, no not at all! He went home and told his wife he was leaving her so he could be with me!

She flew into a rage and began stalking me. Eventually I moved away. She found my new house. One night she broke in and stole some of my roommates things and killed his hamsters! Through all this, my friend started to come to his senses and act more responsively. He had a hard time recovering from alcoholism. He almost lost the battle so many times. He did lose his job. From time to time we would meet and talk on the street to catch up for a bit. But he understood that he needed to stay far away from me.

He has been completely sober for many years now. We are both very proud of his success and the happiness that he has found within himself. :-) We ran into each other for the last time in 2007, just before I left town. We caught up for a bit and I told him all about my new love. He gasped with delight and hugged me. He was thrilled for me! Then we both cried, clasped hands and said goodbye.

There is no doubt. We will always remember each other and always be friends.

Aphrodite

[ariesmale]

Hi Juliet. How are thou Juliet. Thanks for the reply. Really? Disrespectful toward women.

No NEVER

I respect really Respect WOMEN

They can be so "DIFFICULT" They weary me. I weary them.

They can be awesome in their love and in their enmity.

A guy has to respect that women when they love you will do anything for you

and if they hate you....they'll do anything to you. Wreck up a dudes pickup. Etc

:0) I finally bailed on the love hate relationship. She was a long departed Love partner who had fallen upon hard physical times. She asked me right kindly PLEASE if you will MR once upon a time Wonderful....to be her arms and legs and minimize her plight. Plus the benefit for both of us. She did have a beautiful white picket 2 story house...lots of stuff to grow, my sunflowers all grew so tall....they beckon like a neon light to the street outside that white picket fence.
Sitting under that huge weeping willow tree and looking outside my window to the street below and upon rows of stella de Oros and flowers on the fence. Was I happy you betcha. Til the old power struggles and battle for supremacy needlessly to ruin paradise again.

When the power of love
overcomes the
Love of Power
then peace will rein
again
today and everyday.


In this particular lady the power of love could not overcome the love of power.

[ariesmale]

thanks for the reply Aphrodite. Interesting reading about the Juno connection with someone who you remember well. all I can hope is my beloved Kassy and I can at least have much more of a closer connection than present.

Its like I could die without her. sometimes. I wonder how I've lived to now..with my all dressed up for love...with nowhere to go...life.

On a brighter note...I auditioned to play music at the oregon coast. The assistant manager at a really classy place that I like (bEAUTIFUL picture window view of the Columbia River by the stage) really liked my version of "Whiter Shade of Pale" especially since I added these verse.

She said her soul was on shore leave
but in truth
it was adrift at sea
so I took her to the looking glass
and forced her to agree
telling her
You must have been the Mermaid
who took Neptune for a ride

now just have to shop around a demo CD..which is in the works right now.

Kassy supports me in my music goals....I'm yet to play for her...but I know I'm gonna knock everybody's socks off. thats alot of repressed sexual energy and love frustration and it all comes out...in music. Kassy has a leo moon..so she probably would like to be out there on stage too. She doesnt have musical background. She does have a nice voice though.

Its like

Oh when you were young
did you question all the answers
did you envy
all the dancers
who had all the nerve?