Saturn - Juno in Synastry/Composite

[Aphrodite]

Saturn - Juno in Synastry
Saturn - Juno in Composite

I've been looking for information about these two topics for a couple of years now. Nothing! Nada! Anyone have information to share? I need to understand.

In synastry, this is the aspect that D shared with his ex, and it almost killed him. Her Saturn conjunct his 1st house Venus/Juno caused him almost unbearable pain over a series of years. He was dying a slow death and sought to end it. Yet, now that they are apart (at the conclusion of his Chiron return), they are friends again. At least they get along well enough that they continue to do the work and partner for the sake of the children. They are not together that much. Perhaps this aspect is best in small doses? Better for business than intimate relations? Or was it a combination of this dynamic and something else?

I follow her with my Jupiter/Chiron conjunct his Venus/Juno. However, my Saturn is conjunct his 12th house Chiron. Last year I had two tough transits involving Saturn and Chiron and the Nodes. The only reference I could find about Saturn/Chiron is the experience is like "being locked up with your pain." That is exactly how it was for me. I grieved for things I couldn't even identify. Pain was coming out of nothing. I think the Nodes might have even been channeling "ancestral" grief (12th hs?). This is not the kind of permanent transit I want to present to my lover. I want to understand the grief and provide the support or even the outlet for healing. Perhaps with understanding healing (Chiron) could come from some metaphysical discipline (Saturn).

The point is, I think I got the grief part down pretty good. Enough of that! Now I need to understand about the Saturn/Juno part. What pain did Chiron lock away in D's subconscious? Obviously there is a bright side to this aspect, as well. How does that manifest?

I have not yet found any other couples with Saturn conjunct Juno. However, it may be more prevalent in family and business relationships. Anybody have any examples to offer?

Blessings to All,

Aphrodite

[Juliet]

Hi Aphrodite, I feel that dealing with your own grief/stuff and being able to feel it without panicking or thinking too much about it, helps any relationship, and thus helps you both.

His grief is HIS grief. You cannot help him with that. Or has he asked you to do so?

Juliet

[Aphrodite]

Hi Juliet,

Deep emotional events don't panic me at all. After all, the universe and everything in it was created from Chaos! Moon and Mercury are up to the challenge, so I never try to block emotions. I think outer planet energy adds super hero powers to our personal planets. Wonderful stuff! Just like a real super hero, we struggle during the learning process, until we are able to handle the energy. For me, that struggle involves thinking - lots of thinking! It is under extreme transits that I can finally SEE feelings and FEEL thoughts, if only for a moment. Saturn Rx and Uranus are visiting right now, joined today by Mercury Rx turning around in my 3rd house. It is time to be my own super hero! LOL!

Anyway, the epiphany here began today as I struggled to answer another question from Ariesmale. erosastrology.proboards26.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=939 Then you bring just a little more Virgo energy, especially your Mercury, and the energy sprang forth in me. I sat here for two hours watching it all play out. Wow! So much information! Can you imagine what a blessing that is for a Pisces Moon to process this much emotional material without having to own it? Think about it: Mercury x 3, Moon, Saturn and Uranus all working together for a moment - WOW! Thank you Juliet! Thank you Universe! ;D

Seems I have already had a relationship of my own with this same energy! D with his Venus/Juno conjunction and her Saturn. My friend with his Saturn/Juno conjunction and my Venus. Geez, I've had the answer to this one inside me all along and just didn't know it! I can see/feel the light and the dark and all the shades of gray in between.

Now we do disagree about whether I can help D or not. It doesn't matter. The energy changes around us each time we come in contact. In many ways our energy is mirrored and/or amplified when we are together, and therefore we cannot help making an impact on each other without even trying. I am just trying to understand what happened (trying to see the elephant in the room!). If by doing that I can bring something positive to our experience, so much the better! ;D He can choose to use the energy in whatever manner he pleases. That is the gift of love, my gift to him.

Many blessings to you,

Aphrodite

[Juliet]

Thank you, Aphrodite,
What I actually mean, is that by helping yourself you actually are helping him, and often a lot more than by conscious effort, because flow energy is not something you can think up.

The Hooponopomo-stuff maybe. When I love myself, I'm helping you, that kind of energy. Exactly: having a huge impact on each other without even trying.

I've had some pretty bad experiences with trying to understand and help, with the best of intentions, also in my current relationship, so that is why I reacted... but I'm in a different experience, am a different person with a different life.

The more I invest in myself, and the less I even think about him (except for getting a big smile on my face when I think of his eyes, or about other lovely parts of him ) the better he seems to feel, the better I feel and the better the relationship gets.

[ariesmoon]

Oh Juliet I love that - the more you invest in yourself, the better the relationship gets. For someone mooning around not investing much in herself and trying to invest too much in someone who isn't (as yet) responding, that is just what I needed to read!