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Post by Aphrodite on Dec 11, 2008 2:41:18 GMT
There is a wedding this Friday, the day of the full moon. I was thinking this was a bad thing until I noticed that the time was after the full moon and the moon beginning to wane. It is void of course at 26 GEM, a full 5 degrees past the opposition. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
The quick search that I did turns up opinions that this might be a good thing. Nothing can happen during a VOC moon, interpreted as nothing can go wrong and no one can act against you. Other viewpoints are dead set against it. I'm just worried that it might not happen at all.
I'd love to know the answer to this one. D's ex-wife is the bride and I would hate to see the wedding canceled! LOL!
The other thing is that the aspects are generally not good that day, anyway. Shockingly, the Aquarian Venus appears to be completely VOC as well! If you switch to the minor aspects, Venus is semi-square Sun (applying at 32 min), Mars and Uranus and sesquiquadrate Saturn (applying at 36 min). Yikes!
The wedding is in the evening, I think 7:30 PM near Lorton, Virginia. There will be a fairly late degree of Cancer rising, Moon hoving at the edge between 11th and 12th house, and Venus, NNode and Chiron in 7th house. There are no malefics in angular houses. Sun and Mars are in the 5th. Jupiter will be in 6th but still within a few degrees of 7th hs cusp.
I wonder why it had to be Fri. Why could these two Scorpios (born 30 minutes apart) not wait until Sat or Sun with Moon in Cancer? Ah well! This is how it will be - how it is meant to be.
Aphrodite
P.S. I fixed my Moon comment. I don't know why I said Taurus and not Cancer.
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Post by Kim Falconer on Dec 11, 2008 21:04:41 GMT
Hi Aphrodite, Wow, what an event!  My feeling is that the wedding will happen and it will be amazing for them. The VOC is not a 'bad' thing or a 'good' thing, it is a symbol making a statement about the energy in this moment of time. That energy is saying 'All is well'... There is nothing to work out here. Those two Scorps know exactly what they are doing. Juliet has told us that most (if not all?) of her major relationships begin on a VOC moon. All is well (at least, all is on track). The late degree of Cancer rising may trine their suns, or it may conjunct some personal planet or degree in their natal charts. That Venus and the NNode are in the 7th at the time of marriage is perfect really--can't plan that any better. I would still see it as a full moon event, but these are Scorpio people! They WANT the intensity in their union that the full moon promises. Pop the Champers, throw the confetti, this looks like a wonderful day for them. I will do this event chart tonight, if I have time, an put it up. We need to see the declinations (see discussion going on the Eros into Sagittarius board) to the Moon and final aspects etc. Thank you for posting this, Aphrodite. It's good to look deeper at these kinds of charts. Warmly, Kim  |
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Post by Juliet on Dec 12, 2008 8:08:55 GMT
All!!! At 16, 20 and 49!
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Post by Kim Falconer on Dec 13, 2008 2:07:58 GMT
Juliet! I was just thinking about you! What do you reckon? Is there a sense of 'everything's all right' with the VOC Moon? I mean, that's a pretty interesting track record. Actually I'm going to check a few first meeting dates myself... I think there is one ...maybe.  |
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Post by Aphrodite on Dec 13, 2008 2:37:28 GMT
Hey, I was expecting D to have some nostalgic moments today. He was totally happy and at peace with it. He seemed excited that there would be one less Mrs _____ at the end of the day. He kept saying that to everyone. LOL! He had no plans to celebrate, but told me he wanted to take me for drinks and a bite to eat after work. (Hmmmm.... No plans, eh?) I get all happy about that, right up to the point that I hear his boss say, "Hey, it's Friday night. Let's go get some drinks." So much for the date... My boss decides to stay late and keeps talking and talking and talking. Eventually he is heading for the door and D shows back up. Two drinks down and a round in the cannon for me! Well, not what I had planned, but still fun. It is almost 7 PM and he pretty much needs to leave. I say something to the effect of: "Hey, the wedding should be starting soon." He says that maybe she's already married by now. Hmmmm.... "I thought you said 7 - 7:30 PM? It might be hard for people to show up earlier on a work day." He replies, "Well, I didn't get an invitation. I think it was supposed to be that time. I don't know for sure." Sigh! Trust a Pisces to be VAGUE. Apparently we really don't know the time of the wedding.  I'll post a chart for 7:30 PM in a little bit, but the actual time could be anywhere in the evening. My guess, with allowance for error, is somewhere between 6 and 8:30 PM for the "I do" moment. Aphrodite |
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Post by Aphrodite on Dec 13, 2008 3:37:04 GMT
Ok. Here is the wedding chart and aspect grid, w/declinations. The PoF showing is modern. The ancient PoF is 23 CAP 06. Remember that this is an approximate time. If I get more information I will relay it immediately.   |
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Post by Juliet on Dec 13, 2008 18:26:42 GMT
Hi Aphrodite, Are you nervous about D's feelings for his ex, that this wedding keeps you so busy? I guess there is something of 'it's all set' in the VOC Moon. The one with my commitmentphobiac ex started under a VOC Moon too! It was vague and lasted five years and made me the confident woman I'm today. Oh, wow, that VOC Moon was in my first, it was all about me. There's more to it. Two Moons were on the 24 deg Cap Cancer Axis. Respectively in my first and seventh house. Another at 28 deg of Leo (with my bf) in my seventh. One 28 deg Gem Moon in six, and that was an uneventful love, but he was sweet and my first real love. So, VOC Moons and the very serious ones VOC in 7. Tada! ;D |
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Post by Aphrodite on Dec 13, 2008 21:17:25 GMT
Hi Juliet, No, I'm not nervous or jealous about his feelings for his ex. After all, this is the woman that drove him to the brink of suicide. His love for his children and the reluctant help of another woman (my real competition) is all that saved him. His ex did not seek help until she had literally lost everything, including D. She is stable now and hopefully happy. I hope for the children's sake that she stays that way. She is marrying a man who is very much like herself. They can bring out the best in each other or the worst, most likely some of both. D seems greatly relieved by the situation. She's someone else's problem now. It is a major release from the obligation, responsibility and guilt he has been carrying around. He has grown happier and more at peace as the wedding date approached. He and his ex have restored their friendship and have a good working relationship to raise the kids. In fact, this is a time of healing and putting the past to rest. What a blessing! We marked the event with happy and affection lovemaking. The interested thing is that their wedding chart makes more connections to D and me, natal and composite, than it does to the newlyweds! I wonder again at the timing. These two Scorpios each have Jupiter, Moon and Vesta in CAN in opposition to Venus in CAP. Waiting until Saturday would have given them an event chart with much emotional and personal significance. Considering the current transits, the intensity would still be there in spades. Instead they chose a moment when the Moon is conjunct the 7th hs cusp of the composite that I share with D. Also, there are other aspects of the wedding chart that seem more about D and me. Nevertheless, they doggedly pushed through all kinds of stressful logistical challenges to have the wedding on Friday night. So this is the chart that is supposed to be. It is fate for us all! Is there any wonder that I find this totally fascinating? I don't know their time of birth, only that they were born in the same part of the country, 30 minutes apart. So, no way to tell if there is an impact to the angles. Here is a list, short but very significant, of the known ties from the wedding chart to the personal charts of the newlyweds... Natal/Composite: 18 PIS 06 rx Chiron 18 PIS 36 Ceres 18 VIR 48 Uranus 18 VIR 04 Pluto Event Chart: 18 PIS 50 Uranus 21 VIR 27 Saturn 21 SAG 22 Sun 19 SAG 22 Mars Plenty of energy here, don't you think? Thanks for your comments, Juliet. Love to all, Aphrodite |
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Post by Kim Falconer on Dec 14, 2008 0:56:18 GMT
This study on the VOC Moon is really interesting. Juliet, thanks for your comments there. I have hundreds of first date charts (clients, not all my own ) and I am going to take the time this summer (S hem) to run some statistics. The VOC is easy to spot when we look for Zodiac VOC. That means there are no approaching major aspects from the Moon. She doesn't have a conjunction, inconjunct (30 or 150) sextile, square,trine or opposition to the major planets or POF. (since the time is uncertain, we ignore the POF in this case). A parallel or contra-parallel aspect is by declination and to determine that we need to look at the list of planetary declinations, which are different from longitude or Zodiac degrees. Here is a daily list of declinations for Moon and Mercury. I've only listed these two bodies because they are the only majors with the potential to be in contra-parallel aspect. Note also, they are Out of Bounds! We need to look at a few days to see if the declinations are applying (getting closer to exact) or separating (already past exact). I have put the declination in bold.From Swiss Ephemeris Date | moon | mercury | | | | | LONG DECL | LONG DECL | --------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 Dec 2008 00:30:00 UT | 25 ta 33 23°56 | 27 sa 48 -25°20 | 12 Dec 2008 00:30:00 UT | 10 ge 44 26°25 | 29 sa 21 -25°24 | 13 Dec 2008 00:30:00 UT | 26 ge 4 26°57 | 0 cp 55 -25°27 | 14 Dec 2008 00:30:00 UT | 11 cn 19 25°25 | 2 cp 29 -25°29 | 15 Dec 2008 00:30:00 UT | 26 cn 22 22°05 | 4 cp 3 -25°29 | The exact declinations of Moon and Mercury on for the above chart are: Moon 26 57' 35" N and Mercury 25 27' 57" S From the ephemeris we see they are not moving towards a contra-parallel but past so there is not aspect, making this a VOC by zodiac and declination. This would indicate in a horary that the events are going as planned. There are no more aspects to the moon so 'Nothing' can happen--nothing goes off kilter. All the arrangements have been made and the only thing left is to show up, and they do. Aphrodite, I love what you said, He and his ex have restored their friendship and have a good working relationship to raise the kids. In fact, this is a time of healing and putting the past to rest. What a blessing! That is wonderful. The other consideration in terms of WHY they may have picked, even unconsciously, the Friday and not Saturday is that they may have wanted that intense energy signature to launch their union. Not everyone wants the same things and this might be their bliss. Thanks for posting the chart. More on this soon Kim |
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Post by Aphrodite on Dec 14, 2008 2:20:19 GMT
<snip> This would indicate in a horary that the events are going as planned. There are no more aspects to the moon so 'Nothing' can happen--nothing goes off kilter. All the arrangements have been made and the only thing left is to show up, and they do. I'm sure the marriage did occur. Although, without input from this chart, I am feeling that the event had plenty of frustrations. Nothing new for these two and it won't stop them from moving forward. Of course, I could find out soon that I'm completely wrong, but I'll risk it! The other consideration in terms of WHY they may have picked, even unconsciously, the Friday and not Saturday is that they may have wanted that intense energy signature to launch their union. Not everyone wants the same things and this might be their bliss. There are many reasons why they wanted this moment in time. Unfortunately, much of the timing has to do with the fact that they are still in pain and in the process of healing. My gut tells me that this first year will be rocky. They will get through it and will most likely have a long and happy marriage. They are astrological twins after all. Who better to understand the pain? They are meant to be together because of/despite the pain. However, they have to exorcise a few demons before they can find their bliss. Eventually, the twin phoenix will rise from the ashes. One of my concerns over the next year is for the children, the little D's. Of course, I am always concerned for D. Nothing specific at the moment. The other, and THE BIGGEST THING, is my extreme curiosity. What a learning experience this has been! If I ever plan a wedding of my own, I wonder what we will choose? For now, I watch and learn. Thank you Everyone and especially, thank you Kim for your insight! Aphrodite |
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Post by ariesmoon on Dec 14, 2008 14:33:22 GMT
Hi I've been reading this with fascination, haven't felt able to comment on the details as I'm not very certain on horary and event charts.
If anyone's interested in using astrology to plan weddings, I can recommend Robert P Blaschke's book "Relationship Analysis" - chapter 7 is all about electing a wedding chart! It's volume IV of his series "Astrology: A Language of Life". The whole book is great.
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My feeling is that the wedding will happen and it will be amazing for them. The VOC is not a 'bad' thing or a 'good' thing, it is a symbol making a statement about the energy in this moment of time. That energy is saying 'All is well'... There is nothing to work out here. Those two Scorps know exactly what they are doing.
I'll post a chart for 7:30 PM in a little bit, but the actual time could be anywhere in the evening. My guess, with allowance for error, is somewhere between 6 and 8:30 PM for the "I do" moment.