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Post by sagittarella on Sept 16, 2008 23:03:21 GMT
Hi everyone, Sorry I've dumped so many new posts on you since I just joined but I'm a bit stumped (and a little scared) with this one. I can generally get the jist of transits but there are so many going on with this person I figured I'd ask the experts. I can't figure out how they're going to work together. And old friend "Paul" just emailed me he and his wife's birth info today.... the point was that I'd look into synastry for them so I could learn but I was so taken aback by his chart and the upcoming transits. His birth info: March 19, 1965 10:25am GMT London, England (sorry I can't figure out how to post a chart file yet) His 4th House: Uranus 12 Virgo 7 Pluto 14 Virgo 40 Mars 14 Virgo 54 all semi-sextile Neptune 19 Scorpio 48 in 5th and oppose his Saturn in 10th opposing 10th House: Ceres on cusp 0 Pisces 30 Saturn 10 Pisces 7 Chiron 18 Pisces 56 Venus 22 Pisces 33 Amor 25 Pisces 37 Sun 28 Pisces 36 .... and of course you can see the rest with his chart. The scary transits: Sept. 24 - 27 Mars conjunct natal moon Sept. 26 Saturn conjunct natal Pluto Sept. 28 saturn conjunct natal Mars also Saturn is opposing itself here Sept. 27 Moon transits Uranus Pluto and Mars and opposes Saturn Transiting Pluto is currently square his 10th house cusp/Ceres also Neptune opposes 4th house but I don't think it's close enough to be a real opposition here, although it will be conjunct his natal Venus at some point. (The astrology software I have won't let me speed up so it's hard to tell, and I'm writing before cracking out the ephemeris, sorry.) Now I know he goes through the exact same moon transits monthly etc. but the saturn seems scary to me. Looks like an awful lot of pressure on one person for any given time. And it's all "hitting the fan" all at once. Unbelievable upheaval in his whole world. Paul is a very docile person but as you can see clearly from his chart he's not living the life he wanted, especially with his career. He and his wife suffered a tremendous loss 3 years ago when their only child died before her first birthday. As you can see this would be devastating also. I'm expecting all of these transits to force a critical point.... in the whole male midlife crisis thing.... maybe he'll finally say enough is enough with his crap job and do what he really wanted.... maybe he'll just go through a terrible misery ... maybe he'll make some other changes for the better. (I know from experience saturn does actually give you "gifts" when it looks like he just handed you a pile of dog poop, it just takes time to discover them in retrospect.) Regardless, clearly this is going to be an extremely emotional and hurtful time for him. I know very well that I don't have enough experience or knowledge to make a definitive forecast here..... any insights? I'm very worried he'll have an emotional and/or psychological meltdown. I think I'd probably kill myself if I had to go through all that at once. Thanks for any help. PS EDIT: I did read the saturn in Virgo thread below and I do get what Saturn is doing..... as I said I don't know how all these transits are going to work together.
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Post by Aphrodite on Sept 17, 2008 0:47:10 GMT
Hello! Please remember that his wife's chart represents a complete set of "permanent transits" in his life. Whatever he is going through, she will experience in some form, too. In reverse, she may be able to alleviate some of his stress through her own strengths which she lends to him through their interaspects. The positive qualities in their composite chart may be a source of strength, as well. The progressed and solar arc charts and composites for both must also be considered. So all is not lost! They most likely have more going for them than you know. It might be best for you to back away and watch, study and learn from afar. The transits you describe could play out as you predict or perhaps they might be the catalyst to focus his strengths and determination to make the necessary changes to bring new happiness and a fresh start for all concerned. One thing I can recommend is that he and his wife consider a comprehensive reading from an experienced astrologer. Kim is very good! While she would never plug herself openly in the forum, I have no shame in this matter. LOL! She is very good and will help them both find the silver lining. If either he or his wife (or both!) are open to it, you might suggest it. Ok, Kim. Spank me! LOL! Love to all, Aphrodite
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Post by sagittarella on Sept 17, 2008 1:26:24 GMT
Thanks for the response. I took a (very) quick look at his wife's chart and it definitely seems she'd be the one to talk him off a ledge if it ever came to that. Very understanding and emotional and loving woman.... her Moon/Venus is conjunct her Sun, her Venus/Mars is conjunct her Moon, and Venus will be transiting her Mercury during that time. I'll have to look into her more. Seems like they must have a terrific symbiotic relationship. I'm concerned about the Neptune/Pluto/Mars conjunction particularly with this Saturn transit and opposing itself, and I'm especially concerned that Pluto is square his Midheaven right now, coupled with all the other aspects it just seems like this is going to be a horrible time. You mentioned that I should back off and watch and learn from afar, and yes I can do that if you think it'd be best, but what if he were to end up suicidal? Wouldn't it be better to warn him that it might be coming and it'll pass quickly enough? What if he were to hurt someone else? There is obviously a rage inside him that he's been repressing all his life becase he's too polite and kind to hurt anyone's feelings.... what if it all finally built up so much that he snapped? I do know the Pluto/Mars is quite tamed by Uranus (like an on/off switch from they way I'm reading it) and I also know he had a fantastic relationship with both his father (4th) and mother (10th) which certainly would have helped curtail any aggression in his youth. But, as they say, the energy's gotta go somewhere, eventually. I'll bet he's got an ulcer or bad acid reflux at least. I don't now.... maybe I'm not very good at astrology and I read too much into some things while not paying enough attention to others, or I'm not seeing the whole picture. But I'm just concerned .... this person was my very good friend (and boss) for quite a few years when I was younger and while we have drifted apart and I don't know him well now, it still bothers me that someone else is going to be hurting so much. It's a strange bit of serendipity he just happened to give me his birth info right now, don't you think? I know I'm being paranoid, but I don't want to see his neighbours on the news going, "He was such a nice person....." you know how it goes.
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Post by ariesmoon on Sept 17, 2008 7:35:26 GMT
Can I just put something in here Sagittarella - you clearly care very deeply for this couple and that is obviously colouring what you're writing. I read your posts and I can sense urgency and worry. I'm not belittling the transits at all, and I don't want to comment on them because I'm not familiar with them as people. I think Aphrodite is absolutely right, it will help to view this from a distance, both to protect yourself, and to support them. And as she says, these transits may just be the catalyst he needs.
It does make me think that if you can transmit light and gentle loving support to them it will make a huge difference - those very positive energies coming to them from friends, even if not close by, can be very healing. Worry - and I know it comes, as I say from deep caring - also transmits itself. When you use words like "scary" things can become scary. What we say can manifest. Words are very powerful. Try to detach a little, and be kind and gentle with them, and with yourself.
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Post by Juliet on Sept 17, 2008 10:37:29 GMT
Sagitarella, Transits in itself do not tell the whole story. I'm having quite a few of these transits myself (and had them in the past) and nothing scary at all happened, but these were moments of emotional and practical growth. Moments to be thankful for, as I see it, and not very hurtful at that. I agree with Ariesmoon, please try to detach a little. Did he say anything that makes you worry so much or did he just ask for the synastry? You might like to read the introduction again, I quote Kim: "The cosmos doesn't 'think' in terms of 'good' aspects, 'bad' aspects, 'yucky' synastry' or 'treacherous' transits or ‘glorious’ progressions. It describes energy, just as it is."
Please try to understand this! Juliet
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Post by sagittarella on Sept 18, 2008 0:00:49 GMT
Ok... I'm obviously overreacting here. I'll just try to send them happy thoughts. Thanks for the help.
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 18, 2008 7:25:35 GMT
Hi Everyone, There are some great insights and support here. Thank you everyone for your brilliance. And thank you Aphrodite for the lovely testimonial. I know so many people, clients and family, that were born between 65' -66' -- That mini - generation of Ur/Plu opp Sa/Ch/ and the Pisces have Mars in the mix as well. These are very powerful people. (ppl with Saturn/Pluto contacts are pure survival incarnate!) They live a kind of intensity every day that others might not understand, welcome or enjoy. But for the most part, the ones I know, they LOVE it. Sagittarella, everything is energy. The planets, the transits, are symbols of energy. Instead of thinking of events as scary and emotionally painful, imagine how thrilling it is to be lining up with all that energy! We always have a choice in what we do with our lives and the transits usually coincide with those moments of choice. It's exciting because it means things are going to shift in a new direction. I know there is a lot of bad press out there regarding transits and what may 'happen' when they 'hit'. Part of my mission in life is to offer a different view! We are spiritual beings in physical bodies, here to experience life. In that paradigm, there are no 'bad' transits. You made a great point of mentioning that the moon makes every possible transit every month! I think we forget that sometimes and act as if an outer planet transit is about to do something that's never been done before. Think of all the Saturn transits we've been through. Some of them, in the most traditionally 'challenging' formations, have been the times of my life! People are amazing, resilient and strong--especially those Ma/Ur/Pl opp Sa/ch ones! My sister is one of them and I am in awe of her brilliance. She handles ten times the intensity life throws her than I could. And, she loves it! Trust the process, and see if you can imagine creative, supportive ways these transits might manifest. There is a great zen story that applies here. I will find it and post. Warm wishes, Kim
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 18, 2008 7:31:13 GMT
Ah, here it is. A favorite Zen story of mine.
We'll See...
There is a Taoist story of an old farmer who had worked his crops for many years. One day his horse ran away. Upon hearing the news, his neighbors came to visit.
"Such bad luck," they said sympathetically.
"We'll see," the farmer replied.
The next morning the horse returned, bringing with it three other wild horses.
"How wonderful," the neighbors exclaimed.
"We'll see," replied the old man.
The following day, his son tried to ride one of the untamed horses, was thrown, and broke his leg. The neighbors again came to offer their sympathy on his misfortune.
"We'll see," answered the farmer.
The day after, military officials came to the village to draft young men into the army. Seeing that the son's leg was broken, they passed him by. The neighbors congratulated the farmer on how well things had turned out.
"We'll see" said the farmer.
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Post by Aphrodite on Sept 18, 2008 10:01:05 GMT
I love that story and tell it all the time! ;D
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 18, 2008 22:26:54 GMT
High Everyone! This is a post written by Aphrodite that she was unable, after multiple attempts, to upload! Here it is -- a great perspective for us all on these transits. Thank you Aphrodite Actually, I think that the Mars conjunct Moon transit in romantic Libra and in his 5th house is pretty enticing and exciting! The fixed star, Spica, is currently at that spot. This is the most lucky star! Very auspicious! Think through the potential of this transit and let us know what you think it could be good for. ;D Neptune is tied in here. Neptune is currently aspecting Moon, Vesta and Jupiter, but not within orb of natal MC/IC. I did not check any other charts.
As for the other transits, his reaction to them depends on so many, many other things that go way beyond this thread. He is not that young, so he has experienced these same aspects before. Also, he has lived with those angular natal oppositions his entire life. Without looking at anything else, I could bet that he has built up quite an arsenal of ability to deal with all that energy. That is not to say that all will be sweetness and light through the entire period. However, you would need to analyze other "triggers" in the progressed, solar arc, solar return and even synastry/relationship charts to come closer to the truth of the matter.
Aside from that, as his friend you could be there for him and just listen. Offer him positive ways to use the energy he is experiencing.
For instance: Perhaps he needs to apply some energy (Mars) and discipline (Saturn) to getting a good resume done. Then he can get a new job and blow off (Pluto) his "crap" of a job. I'm sure you can think of other scenarios better than I can. You don't have to do much guessing. Just use the keyword system to formulate a few questions and let him do the talking.
Be positive and supportive. Sit back, listen and learn. All that whining could be pretty productive for you both. LOL! Prepare to be amazed!
The upcoming Uranus/Saturn opposition near his Chiron/Venus could give him just the right opportunity to find the job he really loves. This transit will last more than a year. The current transits signal a wonderful opportunity to prepare and begin the process. Also, check out the Full Moon chart on Oct 14th, which will activate his Moon for the better part of next year. Can you think of other good uses for this transit?
Overall, I'm pretty impressed with this fellow (I'm a sucker for Pisces men!). He may appear docile, but he is actually quite a determined guy. He's not as soft as you might think.
I hope you get the time to talk with your friend some more and let us know what you find out. You will learn much in the process, as I have in the last half hour. Sorry I don't have more time to devote to this.
Even if I did, this is about as much as can be done without a full reading.
Warmest wishes,
Aphrodite P.S. I can't seem to get this posted! Ackk!
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Post by sagittarella on Sept 19, 2008 2:06:08 GMT
ARGH!!! I just wrote out a HUGE explanation of his chart in general plus what the Saturn transit means to him (incredibly positive possible outcome, now that I'm looking at it with a new perspective) and went to post and this darn think logged me out. I blame Pluto. (I should probably just get that tatooed on me somewhere.) Anyways, I also wrote tons of thank-yous to you nice people.... I'll re-write again when I'm not so sleepy. More soon....
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Post by ariesmoon on Sept 19, 2008 9:21:30 GMT
Sagittarella - you could do what I did when that kept happening to me - log yourself in forever. It's great!! I used to log on for half an hour at a time and then get furious when I'd written something and then got logged out. (I'm not saying this is you, but sometimes that told me that perhaps I shouldn't be posting what I'd written .. sometimes it was about just "getting it out", not publishing it.)
Wonderful stories and thoughts here. I'm learning so much too.
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Post by Aphrodite on Sept 19, 2008 10:17:53 GMT
I've lost my reply so many times! I've learned to highlight and copy my text before hitting preview or post button. Sometimes I use Notepad to save my work if I start a thought and have to go do something else before it is finished. Saves a lot of time and grief.
If all else fails, send Kim an email and call for help!
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Post by samina on Sept 19, 2008 19:55:32 GMT
I know so many people, clients and family, that were born between 65' -66' -- That mini - generation of Ur/Plu opp Sa/Ch/ and the Pisces have Mars in the mix as well. These are very powerful people. (ppl with Saturn/Pluto contacts are pure survival incarnate!) They live a kind of intensity every day that others might not understand, welcome or enjoy. But for the most part, the ones I know, they LOVE it. ...Instead of thinking of events as scary and emotionally painful, imagine how thrilling it is to be lining up with all that energy! We always have a choice in what we do with our lives and the transits usually coincide with those moments of choice. It's exciting because it means things are going to shift in a new direction. I know there is a lot of bad press out there regarding transits and what may 'happen' when they 'hit'. Part of my mission in life is to offer a different view! traditionally 'challenging' formations, have been the times of my life! People are amazing, resilient and strong--especially those Ma/Ur/Pl opp Sa/ch ones! My sister is one of them and I am in awe of her brilliance. She handles ten times the intensity life throws her than I could. And, she loves it! Trust the process, and see if you can imagine creative, supportive ways these transits might manifest. There is a great zen story that applies here. I will find it and post. Beautifully put, Kim, and so very true! Speaking as someone not just with Saturn/Uranus/Pluto/Chiron/Mars natally all in various hard aspect relationships, but also with Saturn currently conjunct my Pluto & Uranus on Chiron, triggering various bits of the whole... And with Pluto opposing my Sun at the same time... These energies are indeed intense, but they need not be devastating in the way that transit descriptions normally forecast. I roll my eyes heavenward so many times when I read these dire predictions. These same transits can be amazingly transformative, with intense experiences of healing or joy or re-formation. And even the devastating experiences can ultimately be healing & joyful... in my experience, that's the bridge that occurs prior to getting into a vibe where the energies can be experienced with more obviously "positive" manifestations. Kim's use of the word "amazing" is perfect... in my experience, that's what it looks like when we're consciously using these energies for good things. As someone with these energies in my chart, I found that when I kept them hidden, withheld my "power" and stayed invisible, giant drama swirled around me no matter what I did, no matter how "positive" or "good" I tried to be. Eventually I realized that "truth will out", and what's in you HAS to be expressed, and will find that expression no matter what. So, as I owned my power and began to genuinely channel it conscoiusly, the tide shifted... and now, although the challeges come (and might even at once have appeared to me as terrifying or crippling), I'm a different person now because I know & use my power differently. And rather than painful dramas, amazing successes and turnarounds and transformations take place, perhaps in the form of "overcoming great odds". It's very exhilarating! Heavy transits point to the potential for *deep resourcefulness*, which can be unbelievably pleasurable to discover! Hang in there, sagitella. And more than that....ask for and reach for the most wonderful, healing, transformational experience you can possibly experience during this time that is "charged" with more energy than usual. I bet you'll have some *amazing* stories to tell afterwards. *hug* samina
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Post by sagittarella on Sept 20, 2008 0:15:09 GMT
Okay .... hehehe.... let's try this again. Sagittarella's post revisitited: The Lazier Version. First of all, I want to thank everyone for your help and support. I'm sorry about flipping out there .... at first glance it looked like this transit was going to be awful, but it isn't. It'll actually be quite a positive thing if he uses the opportunity properly, although it will have its crappy moments, of course. So.... "Paul", back when we were friends and I worked for him, (he was mid-late 20's then) owned his own cult record shop and was the subculture guru to every kid and/or alternative thinker in the city. If you want a visual, picture him wearing his favourite Tshirt which read, "Anger is an energy." He lived in that shirt. He used to sit behind his counter and residents would come in and chat for hours on end, about every possible political/social issue, ask what was going on in the world, ask what they couldn't do about it, and what they could. He'd turn people on to different ways of thinking about the world through the music he sold, then incite them to live it and help make the changes themselves rather than just sit back and bitch about it. (Excuse my french.) As I said, this is the "lazier" version so I'm just going to copy/paste a little excerpt from the blurb I wrote him. This isn't a full interpret mind you.... I only looked at the 4th & 10th houses for him in depth so far: "I took a closer look at you and the "rage" I was referring to has to do with your Mars (male energy) on your Pluto (accentuation of Mars + hidden things + anger) so those 2 energies are working in symbiosis, feeding off each other. Both planets are right near your Uranus (erractic energy, eccentricity, inertia, also more Mars energy) so it's working as an on/off switch for your anger. All 3 planets are in your 4th house (home, family, esp. father) and are opposing your 10th house (career, public image, mother) and are opposing your Saturn (restriction, contraction) there. Also in your 10th house is your Sun (your ego) and your Mercury(intellect, communication, self expression). So basically, Saturn is restricting the male machismo it's opposing, but it's also restricting your ego and your ability to fully articulate and express yourself. The Mars/Neptune/Pluto energy could actually manifest itself as very violent in the chart of someone who wasn't treated well during their upbringing, but your 4th(father) and 10th(mother) houses are working in tandem, and I do remember you mentioning years ago that you thought your parents did a terrific job. And as I said Uranus turns itself on and off, and so when placed directly on other planets it has the same effect on them. It also sometimes does it to planets it opposes, and it opposes your Sun and Mercury (ego, mental/written/verbal expression of ego).
So I would interpret that to mean that you often have feelings that you're not living the best life that you had envisioned for yourself, and often feel cheated, or more like you've cheated yourself, especially in the career department. (as opposed to work, career can literally be your vocation or it can refer to your social standing and public image, the way you see yourself and the "you" that you really want to be.) Your ego and ability to express it effectively is in your 10th house of career so clearly that to you would be your most precious place for your personality to manifest at its highest self. You've probably felt most of your life that you have big ideals and when you start working towards them you either don't have the right way to express or put into practicality what you really want, or you may even become overwhelmed with a lack of drive just as things are getting going. That would of course leave you frustrated and angry, but because you don't have any real way to express your anger tangibly you just stifle it and instead take the easier path, or the path of least resistance, in the area of career as I descibed it above. There are other areas of your chart which also don't allow you to invade anyone's space or inflict your problems on others, (you are kind and very aware of the effect you can have on other people's feelings) so I suspect, especially when you were younger but perhaps even still today, you might have private coniptions and maybe screaming fits or tantrums of frustration when you're CERTAIN you're alone and no one else will be exposed to them. Otherwise, you end up bottling that negative energy."I got back a quick note that I was 100% "bang-on" especially about the tantrums and the problem with inertia, so I pressed on. Clearly as you can see, even if you briefly looked at his chart, that his entire sense of identity has to do with "doing something useful" with his existence on earth. He needs to participate in his life, not just live it. I was looking at the Saturn transit in particular, knowing that an opposition coincides with teenage rebellion and the midlife crises, so I decided to take a look at when it was opposing itself last time. And DUH, the lightbulb went off. "Saturn is now back at the same spot it was in 1978 during your youthful rebellion phase, so any unresolved issues from that time you have the opportunity to revisit this time. Many your personality will have outgrown as it's evolved, some you may just discover now that you are finally outgrowing, and others will still be significant in your life and you'll have the opportunity to re-examine them. You'll also develop some new issues."Ah, London, England, 1978. Good times. ;D This guy was there and he's a punk through and through. It's his spirit. For those of you not familiar, music was the medium but the message was social change. What an incredible wave of healthy, altruistic energy flooded the planet at that time. I haven't asked yet, but I really expect he's inclined to get involved again with the social activism that used to be so dear to him; I also expect he's got the inclination to start writing again. He's a commanding, exceptionally intelligent yet unassuming speaker and easily likeable; he can certainly convey a very complex way of thinking into plain language that the average person can understand, so I certainly hope he takes up writing again. Clearly, I have a LOT more work to do. I haven't really even looked at his whole chart yet. I'll do a briefer semi-reading (the type that takes ME only a weekend ;D ) then I'll look a little further in depth at his transits. (I'm also trying to explain to him about what astrology is and isn't and about how the psychology/ego/id is "unfolding" through transits..... we'll see if I make sense to him.) There's obviously a lot more going on here and unfortunately I don't have full time to devote to this, but I'll keep you posted if anyone's interested. Kim, Thanks for saying just the right words to make me take a breather and calm down. I'm seeing this transit now as having the potential to be incredibly significant and a catalyst for positive reformation in his life. Pluto is currently squaring his Midheaven/Ceres and trining his Sun at this time also, and while I'd normally look at squares as a negative, it seems the overall outcome of this square looks quite positive in this light. Aphrodite, I'm not familiar with fixed stars at all but I did notice the same Mars transit to the Moon that you did. But I figured he gets the same transit every 2 years or so. I got the same " ;D " impression you did but for a different reason, although I can't find it in my notes right now. We're definitely on the same page with this one. But I need to be very sensitive with baby talk with these people for obvious reasons. I think I'll just make a note of significant dates and leave it at that. Again, to everyone, thanks so much for your help and support. What a great board. Oh and the wife....GEEZ! Stellium of 6 planets in the 8th.... all 5 personals + Neptune. I wish I was that interesting.
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