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Post by sagittarella on Sept 10, 2008 22:46:04 GMT
Hi everybody, I'm new! Thanks for letting me join. Unfortunately, I'm new to synastry also, so please bear with me as I'm trying to sort this all out. I'll try not to be too annoying, but this one's a little complicated. I'm trying to understand the true meaning of Medea, and the only info I can find is that it relates to extreme love or love/hate relationships. Does anyone have any further info? What would it mean if my Medea was on someone else's Venus/Mars midpoint? Or his Medea trines my Mars? (I'm female.) In our composite chart, Amor is 22 Capricorn with Medea at 22 Cancer. Interestingly enough, our composite north and south nodes are in exactly the same spots! Obviously there's a great connection here, but I just can't get past the whole love/hate thing and I feel like it's negative. And the idea that our composite Medea is conjunct our south node is quite scary to me. Seems like the relationship would end up being a bottomless pit of negativity, no? And ideas?? Thanks for any replies.  |
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 11, 2008 10:33:34 GMT
Welcome to the forum!~~ I would have to say No!  I would NOT see it that way ( a bottomless pit of negativity). I wouldn't read it as love and hate either. First I would say, relax and trust the connection. You know how it feels with this person. Focus on that. What you believe about your union will influence it a lot more that the charts that you are studying. Remember there is more to the human spirit than on that piece of paper, and more to you as a being that your asteroid placements and nodes. So deep breaths, appreciate your union and let go of the black and white interpretations that can cause stress and worry. I would look at the asteroid Medea as an archetype not so much about hate and love put a story of adventure, power, magic and choice. If you are new to synastry, you have a lot to look forward to in the study. It's an amazing way to look at relationships. I suggest you start by looking at the way the personal planets interact and expand to the outer ones, then the nodes, and then the Arabic parts, asteroids etc. Have you read my article Seven Simple Steps to Compatibility? It's on my website and may serve as a guide to getting you started with chart comparisons. www.falconastrolgy.comMeanwhile, don't worry about Medea and the south node. There are over 10,000 named asteroids and if you plotted them all your chart would be filled in--you would have 100s of asteroids on every degree. It can be insightful to look at specific ones for specific reasons but take it one step at a time and get the basics down first. That would be my approach. Warm wishes, Kim |
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Post by ariesmoon on Sept 11, 2008 17:40:02 GMT
Hi sagitarella
I'd like to add to Kim's very wise advice - firstly to echo that synastry is endlessly fascinating, and it will "hook" you very quickly! I'd also echo her comment about relaxing and trusting the connection you have with someone, we are so much more than our charts. Trusting that you've met someone because you need each other to learn and to grow.
A comment from personal experience. You can have amazing synastry with someone and "know" they are right for you, but you're not together, and it's very easy as I know, to be anxious and to keep trying to make things "fit" because the synastry is so good. I can see what a great connection I would have with someone. But maybe it's not meant to be what I want it to be. You can almost have too much information, and it can make you prejudge a relationship, either in a good or a bad way.
"Adventure, power, magic and choice". What great words and great possibilities there!
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Post by sagittarella on Sept 11, 2008 22:33:21 GMT
Thank you Kim. We don't have a "union" per se, but definitely a connection. We work & play together, and there's definitely a physical attraction there on both our parts, but both of use have been burned before so we're taking 'er easy. The greatest part of my concern is that I previously dated a Leo who was very violent and abusive and, even though I would normally have just walked out of a relationship like that, I just couldn't get away from the guy. I haven't dated anyone since him and have just been living in fear and/or wallowing in self pity and/or furious for the last decade. (My sun is Sagittarius.... yes I'm aware of the Pluto transit nearly coming to an end.... whew!) So here we have another Leo I'm very interested in, but I know abusers are always on their best behaviour until they've got their hooks into you. Between the new guy and I there is a terrific rapport but also an astrological propensity for terrible arguing and abusiveness, at least verbally, and a lot of control issues. So far though, all of that has only manifested itself as "healthy debate." We're both very sensitive to each others' feelings when we're having these heated discussions. So far, so good. Did I mention his Adonis is on his Sun/Moon which is my Pluto? ;D How 'bout his Ceres and Psyche both on my Moon and my Ascendant? Our composite Juno is my Venus, which is also my Adonis? ;D ;D Ok.... I'll stop.... too many interesting aspects to get into here. I'm just worried I'm either dealing with a "player" or dealing with someone who is going to hurt me. Or worse, Pluto is giving me a final test to see if I really did learn everything I was supposed to during the transit. And yes, as you mentioned, I could be mentally/psychically influencing our relationship so I'm trying to keep aware of that too. Thanks for clarifying about the lesser (farther) asteroids. I would expect Chiron is certainly significant enough to deal with immediately though. Would you agree? Ariesmoon, Yes I would agree with you about the prejudging of a relationship. I am DEFINITELY overanalyzing here, and I do need to stop it and focus on my intuition and our energy rather than a piece of paper. You are so right. Thanks. |
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Post by ariesmoon on Sept 12, 2008 17:14:37 GMT
Writing as someone who analyses for England (or it feels like it sometimes) I really do know the feeling and sympathise! I've gone into synastry very deeply and what I've found is that it's helped me to be at peace with past relationships (the "ah yes, that explains it" moment!) Have fun with it but - and you've got this, I know - enjoy the moments too.
I still have pinned up inside my head like a postcard the memory of an extraordinary wordless encounter - just watching each other across a room - with a guy who has Venus tightly conjunct my Mars in Taurus. I don't know what it did to him but it left me reeling. It may be that aspect, or others we have, I don't know. We're not together. I've been spending a great deal of emotional energy yearning for what might have been/might still be. In doing so I realise I don't always live in the moment. And I quite missed the fact that it was a gift from the Universe that I had such a precious moment at all, it took a friend to remind me.
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Post by Juliet on Sept 12, 2008 19:39:32 GMT
Hi Sagitarella, that's pretty hefty stuff... As someone who has been in an abusive relationship... did you do process it at all, and can you see and feel your own part in what happened, take responsibility?
Did you learn to love yourself a whole whole whole lot? Do you own your own agression now? I discovered my own agression after my divorce and learnt to live it in healthier ways, f.i. I need lots of sports and am very competitive at work.
We had a lot of Mars contacts, and the funny thing his second wife (they are reasonably ok, I believe) has her Mars on the exact deg and minute as I do, even though she is a Pisces, and I a Virgo!!!
If you have processed and done the work, in short, if you are really over it, you are a lot less prone to make the same mistake again, even if the synastry would have been extremely similar.
Live in the moment, play a lot, love & respect yourself above and before anything or anyone else and develop and maintain healthy boundaries,
Juliet
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 12, 2008 22:03:26 GMT
Wonderful insights Juliet. Thank you.
Ariesmoon, I agree. Synastry can be a great way to understand a relationship in hindsight, and to see one's part in it and let go.
Where synastry can be a crutch is if we dwell on the hurt, worry or fear repeatedly, assigning blame to planetary combination--which is like assigning blame to a symbol. Pivoting our thoughts away from the past once it has been felt and processed fully can help us envision a more fulfilling relationship, the first step in actually experiencing one. Thinking about old scenarios can be a habit pattern, one more likely to change once recognized.
Yes, Chiron is significant in synastry charts, I agree. I would look at the contacts to inner planets first and those midpoints second. If you are relating to someone your age, everything from Saturn out (including Chiron) will have much less weight in synastry because it recaps each natal aspect anyway.
I always say, think of the other person as a set of permanent transits. Start your investigations from there. What are you waking up in each other.
Best wishes,
Kim
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Post by sagittarella on Sept 13, 2008 15:45:25 GMT
Ariesmoon, I get what you mean. The whole reason I finally got into synastry was because of this guy and my connection to him. His Venus is exactly trine my Mars and our Suns are trine too. But it's funny, you figure The Law of Averages dictates we must pass many of these people on the street in our lifetimes and never take any notice of them. Juliet, Yes I get my part in it.... I'd deliberately invited the abuse into my life because it was, and it's horrible to have to say it, my comfort zone. I was treated the same way as a child, with many of the exact behaviours repeating. I learned so much from this it's unbelievable, spending so much time in introspection. I learned what abusers are thinking and why the abused can't really see what's going on. The majority of the way other people treat you, (anybody.... grocery clerks, bosses, friends) is based on energy, and how they perceive you've been treating yourself. If you're too strong they'll eventually just get bored and move on, if you're weak they feed off of that. Kim, Yes I get what you're saying about me using this as a crutch, when in truth I've been doing so much work with energy that if I were to perceive negative energy from him I could probably project something else back at him and get him to stop, instead of absorbing the negativity. Thanks to everyone for your help with my question. |
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Post by Aphrodite on Sept 14, 2008 0:49:24 GMT
Thank you, Kim. This thread had me going down a dark hole for a moment. As always, you brought the light! Thank you.
Love and light to you, as well...
Aphrodite
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Post by sagittarella on Sept 14, 2008 2:49:11 GMT
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Post by Juliet on Sept 17, 2008 12:03:28 GMT
Strange, through your quest I just discovered my (ex? don't know yet) bf and I both have a Eros, Lust, Medea conjunction at the Ariespoint, he at the actual Aries point and I in Libra in 8. To top it of, he has his Mars there too, opposing my Jupiter. It is quite a lot of energy, I can tell you, and Pluto is activating it big time.
I'm working very hard at avoiding all powerplay and manipulation, and succeeding more every day. The Artists' Way helps a lot, it's quite a journey into my own truth. Also, I made a pact with myself to let feelings sink in and simmer for at least six hours before reacting at all.
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Post by Aphrodite on Sept 18, 2008 3:08:59 GMT
Sorry. Oh, you did nothing! There is nothing to apologize for. This was all personal to me and my love. I was just having a bad moment (and it was only a moment) and Kim showed up at exactly the right time. I wish to thank you, too. I really learned so much through this thread. It was very timely! Love and light to you, Aphrodite |
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