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Post by jupisat9 on Mar 4, 2006 8:20:07 GMT
Hi ! I'm new in the forums ! ;D What a nice website..full of information on everything astrological ! Thank you !!! Right now, I'm in a quite difficult phase..Although I try to stay positive nothing seems to go my way..both externally as well as internally ! I'm in a way forced to supress my goals and dreams and wait..This has caused me lots of nervous tension and emotional hurt..I feel like I'm gonna explode ! I was looking at my transits ( ok..I'm no expert hehe I just aknowledge the usefulness and accuracy of astrology ) and saw that transiting saturn is close to conjunct my north node in the 8th, oppose my venus in the 2nd, square my chiron in the 4th, conjunct my vertex and part of fortune in the 8th..er..you want more ? lol ! All that I've been reading is that it's all negative ! Especially saturn opposing natal venus..I read that this will be a time I will want a relationship but will be rejected and I will feel ugly ? Oh my God ! I mean things are already hard for me..will they become even worse ? I must tell you these upcoming transits have terrified me ! lol ! Has anyone ever experienced similar transits ? what were they like ? I'm mostly curious about saturn opposed venus..what's this all about ?  Thank you profoundly , jupisat 9  |
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Post by Kim Falconer on Mar 4, 2006 21:37:30 GMT
Welcom Jupisat 9! " I will want a relationship but will be rejected and I will feel ugly?" OMGoddess! Who writes these things? This is NOT a creative use of the saturn energy and NOT a likely result unless you turn that phrase into a mantra! So toss it out!!! Here is something I posted on Saturn a while back (from my articles on my web site) Saturn is known as the task master, symbolizing a part of us bent on overcoming fears and becoming everything we can possibly be. It’s hard work! Saturn goads, pushes and prods us towards individuality, encouraging choices that authentically reflect who we are NOW. As individuals, we need to be responsible for our own feelings and actions, allowing others to take responsibility for theirs. Saturn/Venus asks that we examine our most vulnerable relationships. Are they manipulative, co-dependant unions, or healthy, supportive ones? Are we reaching towards our aims and objectives, or trapped in a fearful holding pattern? We need balance in these key areas of life and if things get lopsided it can affect the physical and emotional body. Questions to ask during a Saturn-Venus transit: • Do you focus on personal ambitions and loving relationships equally, or is one out of proportion to the other? Which one? How can you change that? • Is your sense of security based on a confidence in who you are, or dependent on the voice and projections of others? • Do you perform tasks to avoid relating? • Do you form dramatic relationships to avoid your vocation? An activated Saturn can also pop up as an experience of the SHADOW. This is our unconscious side that we are not comfortable with. Often, it is what we can’t see in ourselves yet detest in others! How can we know when the shadow is in play? Consider what kind of groups, organizations or individuals you find abhorrent. What really gets your “back up” or gets “under your skin”? A strong emotional reaction to others can mean the shadow has been touched off. Realizing this can lead to new self-understanding and genuine tolerance. Honoring Saturn takes effort. Only equal development of individual distinction as well as meaningful relationship will meet the challenge of this retrograde period. Consider today how you can bring this balance to life! Address all assumptions and expectations, letting go of any manipulative behaviors. Are you happy with the amount of true intimacy in your life? What is stopping you from getting what you want? This is just a start. I’m off to work and very busy the next few days, but will be back as soon as I can! Be well, and take heart. Saturn ultimately is for our growth and healing! Kim  |
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Post by Amoroso on Mar 5, 2006 0:55:33 GMT
Oh, Yes! to everything Kim said. Also, we have several threads on Saturn you may find interesting.
I think another thing about Saturn transits is that there's a "you reap what you sow" aspect that can be a bit uncomfortable at times. Transiting Saturn has gone back and forth over my MC/Moon/Uranus for quite awhile now. Very wearying in some ways, but the Universe obviously has some things it wants me to learn. But this retrograde motion is also sextile my natal Venus. Questions of intimacy in my marriage have been paramount, as well as financial lessons. The first time Saturn was sextile Venus, this past summer, I was hit with a huge financial "lesson," as I chose to call it now, but it was really the culmination of my very unwise spending habits and a refusal to grow up in that department. This naturally lead to one reason the intimacy with my husband eroded!! That's what I mean by "you reap what you sow." This time around, in the same sextile, things are much better. But I put the lessons into practice finally and it has made all the difference. And if I am not mistaken, hasn't Saturn gone over this point three times in the past year? Enough already.
Hope this helps,
Amoroso
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Post by gemstar on Mar 5, 2006 1:13:04 GMT
Hey Amoroso....Saturn is still retrograde and not due to move forward again until April 5th I believe. So....it retros back to Leo 4.24 before moving onward! Most likely you have only had two hits if you have planets or points located here...Glad you were able to get the spending issues under control! That is one lesson to always remember (so says the former Financial Advisor!). Do you have any thoughts in the positive direction of 'you reap what you sow?' Usually we hear of the negatives with Saturn and lately, I have been searching for fair balance in my interpretations of each planet. Would you have a good example perhaps? You certainly always have good tidbits to share! Hugs- GemStar |
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Post by Amoroso on Mar 5, 2006 21:26:35 GMT
Hi Gemstar, I took an "Astro Tutorial" from Kim about 6 months ago on Saturn transiting my 10th house. I experience Saturn transits as "you reap what you sow" along the lines of "foundations." Whatever we have "built" in terms of the houses and signs of Saturn's transits and aspects will come home to roost, come to fruition, pay the piper, the buck stops there, etc. A positive energy experience, although not one I would call "fun," is that T Saturn (sextile my native Venus as we discussed above) is on my MC/Moon/Uranus which means it is opposite the IC--on the 10th-4th axis. The foundations I put in place work-wise over the past two years made some things very nice things possible this year that would not have been so positive if I had given up while recovering from all the surgeries. We also have spent a good amount of time and money dealing with house repairs and developments (Saturn opposite the 4th!) as well as brought to light things in the marriage and home that need to be restructured, changed, etc.) the 10/4th axis, natal Venus, etc.) This is all taking place within 2 degrees of the opposition between C's last name asteroid (at 7 Leo in the 10th, conjunct my MC--no surprise that I met him through my work!) and my natal Chiron/Eros at 11 Aquarius in the 4th. It is hard for me to explain this connection with the Saturn transit, but last week I started working with weights and absolutely killed my back (spine-Saturn.) I have been to the chiropractor, masseuse, bone-manipulator who practices this amazing spinal art that is not licensed in the US--she's from Denmark--and I am still in a lot of pain. I guess I don't know what this has to do with a positive manifestation of Saturn transits but I feel it's connected somehow! Maybe someone has some ideas. I do know that the experience of knowing C revitalized my performing career in two ways--gave me the erotic energy to heal and feel like singing again as well as the concrete help of language coaching that he gave me. The combination of the two surged me forward to develop programs in a body of repertoire that is rarely performed, get healthy, practice, study and gain stamina, market myself and the program and get it out to the public four times in the past year and a half. I do go on and on about him, don't I? I haven't seen him in almost a year and my feelings have not diminished one bit. They've grown stronger. Well, I enjoy your tidbits, too! Blessings, Amoroso |
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Post by jupisat9 on Mar 6, 2006 16:40:03 GMT
Hi again ! Thank you All very much for offering your opinion and experiences. Dear Kim , Lol !!! No, I'm not going to turn this phrase into a mantra ! hahaha! I'm tossing it out right now ! ;D So, saturn transits are about re-defining who we are, what we want out of relationships and becoming down-to-earth and balanced ? Sorry if my description sounds simplistic  It's just that I've noticed that saturn makes you see the hard face of reality not the one you wish you could see..I guess my experiences haven't been good so far..When saturn was on my moon it was a very hard time for me..full of obstacles and problems..that's why I'm afraid of the new transits..I guess I have a lot of work to do !  Btw, when saturn hits venus, are the lessons we learn related to romantic relationships only ? Or all kinds of relationships ? for example, parental, friendly etc..maybe the ones that we value the most ? and the ones that are the most important in our lives ? Well, I'm curious because I'm in no romantic relationship at the moment ! hehehe ! So, maybe in my case, the focus would be on my family relations ? uh oh ! ;D I wish I could hear positive saturnian experiences ! I want to believe it's not that bad ! After all, I'm pretty saturnian myself ! Hey, Amoroso, I'll start reading the threads on saturn ! Thanks for letting me know Thanks again jupisat9 |
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Post by samina on Mar 6, 2006 18:27:28 GMT
Hi, jupisat! The domain of Venus includes quite a number of things -- although we all usually think of romantic liaisons when we think of Venus, she actually governs one-on-one relationships of all kinds, as well as one's values, money, and artistic sensibilities. Perhaps one way to generalize the domain of Venus might be to say "those elements of your life that aim for a sense of personal harmony, comfort, stability, and beauty." Think Taurus & Libra, the signs that Venus rules. When Saturn hits your Venus, it will make the Venusian aspects of your life feel more "serious" in some way -- might impel you to feel that you need to act with a new level of responsibility or maturity in some way, or perhaps something in that area will feel slowed-down or stuck, not as a "bad" thing, but in a way that gives you the opportunity to examine its structural components, make it stronger, more able to serve you better, be a better foundation for you. However this manifests will be colored by how Venus uniquely finds expression in your own chart. What houses are ruled by Venus? What activity takes place in those houses? And of course, the house positions of transiting Saturn & your natal Venus are important: for you, the 8th & the 2nd. My first inclination of this placement makes me think of money -- perhaps being challenged to be more resourceful in some way, such as working hard to make an agreement for a loan (or some other type of contract regarding shared resources). If sexual or romantic, could be something like wanting to just be casual (sexually or romantically), but someone else wanting something from you that you're not sure how to give (whether you can, or even want to). There's always a bit of work involved (again, not a bad thing!) -- it just leaves you, ideally, more mature afterwards, more knowledgeable about how things work better for you in your life. Does that make sense? Reflecting on your own chart dynamics may give you a better sense of how this energy might specifically come into play in our own life. But no need to be afraid, for sure! Saturn transits can be very rewarding, giving you a sense of accomplishment. I mean, although they tend to either bring or heighten an experience of limitations in some way, working within limits can be very, very creative & productive! samina |
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Post by jamma on Mar 6, 2006 18:37:53 GMT
Hi Jup ...
Just had my Saturn return (2nd one!) and have got to say that -- despite all my whining here on the forum -- Saturn's transits really do build a foundation -- a sense of self ... and self-reliance ...
The first return showed me that I could hold down a responsible job and be productive in the world ... I had always considered myself a flaky Pisces type, but then I turned out to be Ms. Reliable, the go-to girl in my career ...
I'm not sure what this return says yet, although I already feel more "ok" about who I am (as opposed to who I always thought everybody wanted me to be!) ...
I think part of Saturn's message is about letting go of fears and trusting your strength -- you are forced to weather the storm but afterward realize that you are ok, you can handle that ...
I see Saturn as a Good Dad figure, who often puts a damper on what we think we want (whaaa!) ... but you can count on him to look out for your best interests and help you learn the things you need to know ...
In regard to a Saturn-Venus transit, could he be urging you to protect yourself from unworthy relationships, even if it means going against your immediate desires ?? Like saying, "I know you want that candy, darling, but it will rot your beautiful teeth!"
(I guess I should meditate on that last statement myself as it seemed to come out of nowhere -- Saturn talking to you AND me!)
Have no fear, life is good ...
Jamma
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Post by jupisat9 on Mar 14, 2006 17:48:39 GMT
Samina and Jamma, Thank you very much !!! You help me a lot ! Yeah, I shouldn't be afraid of saturn..I should co-operate with him ! Hey, why rot my beautiful teeth ? Lol !!! ;D I would really want to see saturn help me make certain things concrete..ofcourse, I will be the one to do the job but maybe he could give me the opportunity to see my job and efforts be rewarded. aaaawwww, that would be nice ! Thanks again Love and Peace, jupisat9 |
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Post by svenskasfinx on Mar 14, 2006 18:32:08 GMT
I thought I'd post a link to a thread I started a while back, called "Saturn doesn't equal "bad luck""http://erosastrology.proboards26.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1102679862 I still stand firm on that and have been doing some personal research into Chiron, provoked by a recent thread and Amoroso's experiences with Chiron- only problem is I am not having a return so I can't exactly contribute anything along the lines of a return. Saturn return I can tell you though was the phase of being part of a "couple" part of my life- most people want to say that a Saturn return is a hardship, but life in general is a "hardship" depending upon what you are doing at the moment and what perspective one has. As an independent type, (Saturn in Aries/ Sun and Mars in the first house) I have to believe that comprimise is probably the hardest lesson so far in my life, and I keep feeling off ballance in this situation, and yet my everyday (6th house Neptune in Scorpio) life makes me wait my turn in an almost indefinate cue... never knowing when I'm supposed to use the moment to "launch into action" Saturn (as a ruler of my 8th house in my 11th in Aries) seems to sugest to keep myself trained and in a state of readiness until the moment of my usefulness comes to bloom, or the time comes when I can actually do "my thing".. but I feel always running my motor, as though I am in a slow motion "get away"... its difficult and I'm frustrated, however I understand that one must be able to wait it out, but also know when, if one has to, to leave, to escape, to know and understand when a situation can not be fruitful, and when the soul is being crushed....I think Saturn gives us that hint.. Yes it takes a long time to grow, Saturn's connection to BONE Matter and Teeth remind me that without the time and proper nutrition we can not grow, we can not force ourselves to grow any faster than we can either, as its not only physically impossible, but the layers of learning can not be placed within a "stable" foundation without that time.. Like the layers of a shell, or a hard wood growth ring in a tree, we can not see the growth without looking back at the past... to see how "little we were" compared to now.. but we can not take apart they layers without causing damage to the structure, so in a Neptunian way I guess we must have "faith" we have done what we had to do at the correct time... and trust in the growth, even if it IS painful, as growing bone often is... A Saturn injury, like a broken bone, shows you a small look at how fast the progress can take.. yes, the bone heals, takes time, and sometimes has a twinge of pain or two, but you KNOW you have grown from the experience.. its visible and obvious...and you learn, not to do it again, or that if you do, that you are prepared to risk the pain of the next lesson the progress of Saturn's structure. Maybe caution, yes, but best not to be limited to the point of fear.. and take logical precautions the next time.... Sorry about the rant, but I suspect its a Mercury retrograde ranting mode... Take care, svenskasfinx |
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Post by jupisat9 on Mar 15, 2006 16:26:58 GMT
svenskansfix ;D Wow ! So much info ! Thank you !!! It helps me a lot. I'll read all of it. Yes, no fear is needed indeed.. And you are not ranting ! Hey, I've got mercury retrograde natally, so ranting is natural to me ! hahaha!!! Thanks again, Respectfully, jupisat9 |
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Post by jupisat9 on Mar 15, 2006 16:31:03 GMT
oops ! sorry about the mis-spelling of your name!
See? mercury retrograde ! Lol !
thank you again, svenskasfinx ;D
Interesting name, by the way !
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Post by svenskasfinx on Mar 15, 2006 22:28:25 GMT
no problem stay clear and remember your state of mind often colours your expectations... but sometimes its so hard to be "realistic" without being pessimistic... Try to see things as they are. be well, svenskasfinx |
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It's just that I've noticed that saturn makes you see the hard face of reality not the one you wish you could see..I guess my experiences haven't been good so far..When saturn was on my moon it was a very hard time for me..full of obstacles and problems..that's why I'm afraid of the new transits..I guess I have a lot of work to do ! 
