What is Troubling Him?

[blueorchids]

Today I saw D. not for my usual appointment but to get his guidance on our child's chronic illness. As usual; he was very kind and helpful, but he seemed tired and not entirely himself. I just could not shake the feeling that something was troubling him and as the day progressed it merely became stronger. Something else happened which was unusual and I merely attributed it to the fact that at the appointed time --MARS had moved to Aries Zero . I was leaving and I suddenly walked up to him and said, "please I have to do this--let me". And I fixed his tie. It was badly askew. He smiled at me, as I was resetting it, but in a sort of strange plaintive I need to get out of here (the office) way. I gently patted the tie and his chest, and left.

It is something that I would never do in a million years nor have in the 10 that I Have known him. But something made me walk to him, to do it, something beyond aesthetics..and I was later surprised by the "melt effect" that he didn't flinch, that he allwoed me the favor.

I know he had to go away this weekend and I know he has had a lot of work stress as he has related that to me over the past several months . But this seemed bigger and I have to say I did not feel as though--despite my usual insider panicked hyperventilating paranoia (LOL)-- that it had anything to do with us---, our words, or actions or notes between us. I felt as though it was much bigger.

I don't know I am worried about his parents-they are aged and then my young one came to me this morning and said she had a bad "vision" of him being hurt physically by someone else. My daughter has strange vivid dreams and picks up feelings from others like a tornado sponge (she has no water in her chart--none at all including asteroids...) The thing is when she told me it sort of stopped me but not in a startling way which it should have....

At any rate I drew up the chart asking :

Why did he seem so uncharacteristically weary and worn? What is troubling him?

As many of you know, I normally bulldoze into the chart major league on my own, but I wonder if others can help out here. I don't know whether to include myself in this chart as I did not exclude or include myself as the source of his possible anxiety.

That aside. I placed him as Venus and the Sun (secondary). And I immediately found the Sun's placement stark directly on his ascendant (chart turned) conjunct Algol. This did make me think that he was strongly focused on himself and something deeply personal. I don't usually work with the fixed asteroids but I am concerned by Algol closeness here. Also note the stressful aspects heaped upon both VENUS (him) and the SUN. Sun squaring Saturn Leo in his 3rd of siblings and Neptune his 9th (travel difficulties), maybe sibling conflict during family weekend away. Venus is in his 2nd of resources/finances and squares Pluto (his 8th! wills/trusts/death) and Mars.


On a separate note--Moon is moving to conjunct sun but note the 13th degree for moon, north node and Pallas....


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[svenskasfinx]

I will try to get to this on Monday when I get back home, sadly I'm rushed for time and have some packing up to do. I do try to help when I do have the time to read things..

I hope everthing is OK, I get this overwhelming feeling of confusion and restriction from the aspects that the Moon are forming being in the sign of Taurus although at the same time, Taurus moon is in its exalted place. Mars in its ruling sign, so is Jupiter in its and so is Mercury, saying that even if there seems to be oppositions forming (as between Jupiter and Mercury) that they will "hold their ground".. these seem to be related to YOU (first house) and the OTHER (him?) (7th house).

I am still confused which house really represents him, as I see there is a 9th house/11th house/7th house connection.

Please be well anyway and hold out.

Svenskasfinx

[blueorchids]

Thanks Sven. I hope it's not me making him weary. Perhaps it is . You know I am perenially confused but the Gemini in me has a way of balancing the messiness and wearig the stupid flaming millions of hats. I am exalted as Taurus Moon and in dignity in Mars Aries. I went in because of a bit of crisis we were having with my older son's health. Moon is in 6th house -- in his 12th. Moon is leaving beyond a trine with him as Venus and in separting square to him as Mars. Moon conjuncts him as Sun in 7th house as last aspect/pass.

My sister whose advice I often seek and attempt to follow thinks the tie thing may have been stressful not from my adjustment of it --he seemed worn out when I arrived-- but because I had jokingly mentioned 10 days prior that when I came to take advice notes on my son's case he should wear this certain tie that I like that he wears only infrequently. He is not a big dresser but when he takes care he can pull it off. He wore it. (gulp) My sister who is a bit of an astrology wiz on her own Gemini Sun/Mercury terms says that all the conflicts and strictures in our roles my be confusing both of us and coming to a head. So I am confused....

We spent the entire time talking about my son's case and our options, costs etc... til the end basically. You know it actually looks like Capricorn and Cancer are intercepted in this chart and I try to remember Aqua E pointing that out in terms of issues that are being repressed and not addressed.... That Moon rules Cancer and in his 12th probably highlights that further...

Weird does that mean..I think it does... that with the interception... VENUS (HIM) is ruling my 6th and 7th house and 11th while MARS (me ) is ruling his 6th and 7th house....and his 11th?.. Venus is also in Cancer (Moon ruled)....

I think the two of use should just head for the hemlock now.... The chart is a mess reflecting the adults involved.....

[AquarianEssence]

Yes, Cap/Cancer are intercepted in the values axis. Because of this, there is a deficiency on 12/6 that is projected onto 1/7. I would look at the dignity and comfort of all the planets involved. Mars and Venus are quite comfortable, in fact, Moon exalted is in mutual reception with Venus in the house of what he values. One possibility is that he was intercepted and kept from getting the sleep he needs (Moon in 12th). Saturn is the only one with real debility here. I'm thinking his dad's health, probably heart or lungs? The other possibility is he's lonely and lacking love. 0*Love is on his mind, Saturn in the sign of love and passion but love (or the heart) is restricted and intercepted.

[blueorchids]

Thanks AquaE

This is very interesting:

Saturn is the only one with real debility here. I'm thinking his dad's health, probably heart or lungs? The other possibility is he's lonely and lacking love. 0*Love is on his mind, Saturn in the sign of love and passion but love (or the heart) is restricted and intercepted.

I think it really strikes me because I did NOT think it was something that had gone awry with us other than the usual tension. And he never said anything about his parents I just sensed that he was forlorn over family. It's hard to explain, sometimes it just seems like family.... Anyway he has had his natal chart hit for the past 2 years with these major eclipses--his sun is pisces 24 and I do think something is going on with his Dad's health. They live away , and he had just returned from traveling. Usually when it's fun travel there is a bounciness there, a lilt.

The loneliness things sort of breaks my heart in a million stupid pieces. That's the plaintive look I spoke of. Well our Composite's Progressed Moon literally just left the 12th house/Virgo and has moved into Libra, and is sitting one breath away from the ascendant. Maybe a bit of clarity and lightness will come.

Let me ask this-- How do you interpret that exalted moon literally crashing into 7th house Sun as its last aspect?

[AquarianEssence]

I'd say he secretly has this fem on a pedistal and she could just as easily be the one he most wants, trading places with Venus in his 2nd. You know, the one that has authority over him, ruling Taurus? I'd say he's looking forward to a reunion with his lady Moon as she unwinds and comes back for refilling with light. That recharge could be helpful because Sun is semisquare Venus, a little bit of a problem manifesting what he wants, what is rightfully his, perhaps. So I would think it will help that Moon can trade places with Venus and visa versa.

[flower]

I've been following this thread because I asked a horary question about someone on the 17th and could refer back and forth between charts to make sure I was turning mine right and not getting mixed up.

Then I noticed how similar the cusps were and some of the planet house placements.

How strange is it that on the 17th I asked my question @ 8:08 p.m. (I had looked at the car clock before I'd gotten out), and Blueorchids your question was at 8:08 p.m. I'd say that's an interesting confirmation of something . Perhaps that most encouraging interpretation by AE?

Flower

[flower]

btw.... my horary was a "yes"....It's not the same situation but due to circumstances I'm not able to openly inquire of this person's inner most feelings as you are are not. I think an affirmative theme here might be what the time is stating and the same type vibe... Numerology might give further insight/confirmation as I know this person is a 7 (8:08=16....1+6=7).

Sorry! Don't want to run off with your thread but this just struck me as so interesting. I could have asked the question at any other 23 hours and 60 minutes.

I'd say just your question alone is very telling as this person has the Saturn-Neptune opp. figuring heavily in his chart natally.

[AquarianEssence]

This is really interesting flower. How's that for coincidence? The day vibration is 29/11, a master Aries number, 2nd decan, falling into the house of love. It's an interesting master number because 11 is Libra's number but 29 is Aries. They are both prime numbers too. They can only be divided by on and themselves. Hmmm. Untouchable and protected? Mars has just come back to his own turf, in a very public degree. 7 is the number of the moon and a very inclusive number, to my understanding. The Jews have a phrase that is basically, "to seven oneself" meaning to be complete, perfect and ready to rest.

[blueorchids]

Thanks AquE and Flower.

I am clearly in over my head.

Flower...that is insanely uncanny.. Sat-Nept opposition...welcome to the stop and go merrry go round...

D. & I are both number 6s. My natal 6th house has sun and mercury. Venus also though in 5th could be read in 6th. It has its advantages but your soul feels tied to service and loyalty to others...it has a clipped wings feeling to it and a moon and mars at home (4th) exacerbates it...when it's happy it's happy when it's trapped it's really trapped...

[AquarianEssence]

I learned my number astrology integration through a book called the Divine Triangle, teaching numberology based on Pathagora's work. Each number from 1-78 was listed with its meanings, meaning of the corresponding tarot card of the astrological connection. 22 is the Fool, of course, then 23 is the King of Wands, the Aries King. All the Kings and Queens are the cardinal signs, Knights the Mutable, with pages the fixed signs. I sometimes see the court cards in any of the element positions. Then the 2s, 3s, and 4s are the cardinal signs, 5s, 6s, and 7s, are the fixed signs, 8s, 9s, and 10s, the mutable. 2 of wands is the 1st decan of Aries, 3 of Wands is the 2nd decan, and so on. Rarely does it not fit.