Gifts-Deeper Feeling or Ticking Nuclear Accident

[blueorchids]

Friends,

What do you see as the role of PLUTO in this horary. Technically it is the Moon's last aspect and a sextile.

I was doing that mind and heart torture that I love to do to myself. D's birthday is tomorrow and I began pushing the big question around in my head a while ago. Shall I make or buy a gift? No gift? Mail it? Drop it off? just email good wishes? I knew nothing with certainty except that I wanted to acknowledge the day. Then last week, my daughter pipes up and asks, "So what are you giving grandpa and D. for their birthdays this year? It was then that I knew I would proceed and began planning some ideas.....Mindful of a lesson I learned from Kim a while ago, I drew up a horary asking:

"Will my gifts to him deepen our bond or will it be a regrettable (think hideous tension-filled) mistake?

The answer seems to be positive. I am Libra Moon and Mercury in Aqua ( my 6th house---I think this reflects what was going on at the time..I was not only working round the clock to get an order out but I was trying mightily to analyze my situation in an objective detached manner--Aqua Mercury but Retro--despite my best efforts to be emotionally detached I was a bit shaky with it...This also puts me in his 12th house). The Libra Moon and he-- Sag Jupiter are in a very close pending sextile. The Moon is also in Jupiter's term; Jupiter in the Moon's Face AND in Mercury's Term (me) .

If we take the fifth house as the ruler of the GIFTS. It is Saturn in Leo. lol...... found in my 12th house (Typical!! no escaping the truth!) reflecting the private nature and the way the gifts tap into my deepest feelings. Really telling is Leo in Saturn Retro. The gifts chosen reflect a deliberate effort to be loving, warm and cheerful without stepping over and crushing too many societal boundaries (I also wonder if the post office will deliver it late??...). This is particularly amusing because I nixed a number of gift ideas as I thought they might be perceived as inappropriate. Also interesting at 19 Leo, The GIFTS are in Jupiter's Terms and Jupiter's Face and Sag Jupiter is making a close pending trine.

If we take the 4th house as the end of the matter (result?) Jupiter and Pluto are there. I take the Moon's first aspect directly to Jupiter as a good sign for me and my suffered over gifts... But

What do you all make of the final aspects to PLUTO?
Rather shockingly, ALL!!! parties in this horary (D as Jupiter, Me as Mercury (about to go direct) and the Moon and even the "Gifts" have their final aspects to Pluto, either trines, conjuncts or sextiles). To me that says there may well be more to this than the exchange of the gifts for all of us... especially considering that Scorpio (ruling Pluto) is actually intercepted in this chart. Should I be concerned that I pushed the big red nuclear button??

PS---Whoever has a good read on this, I will give my next born child to ... I thought I was done but I had the most wicked crystalline dream last night in which a physician was saying to me as I sat in the white patient gown bare feet dangling--you're in great physical shape now but being pregant at 47 isn't easy..." I did not look very thrilled with the news...sort of befuddled to say the least..... ;D

[AquarianEssence]

I don't think there's any doubt with Scorpio intercepted this will magnetically draw in a gift that will deepen the bond. I finally finished my article on interceptions and uploaded it yesterday if you'd like to read it. www.geocities.com/aquarianessence/intercept.html

Notice Virgo's glyph shows the energy line of Matter being drawn inward. Notice the energy line
of Matter's two humps, split and turned away from each other, serves to bind the two. The energy line of Scorpio's Matter has gone deep to uncover all the secrets and is bringing them to the surface. In Taurus, the energy is worn as a crown. My take on this interception is this:

One or both have refused to acknowledge the value of this relationship, at least verbally or consciously. This has caused a superficial relationship to be projected onto the values axis. The interception will draw in just the right energy to release the value. I'd say it will be a hand made gift with Vertex in 5th semisextile Pluto. The act of creation will help to release trapped energy. Look at the sextile between Mars (co-ruler of his values) and POF (in his 2nd). That may give you a clue as to what. A hot, spicy food popped into my mind, something like home made beef jerky. The spices have a very cleansing effect, stimulating digestion. A non consumable gift with a hot, electric feel will fit the description.

Now that I think about it, I recall looking up the etymology of ox one time. It means to make wet, as a male makes the female wet with impregnation. How cool is that after the dream you had. Sounds like a hand made gift to me.

[blueorchids]

Thanks AquE, once again you have given much for me to contemplate. At some point I will join in on the interceptions conversation at the other site. I have Pisces Virgo intercepted in my natal with the nodes in these signs with Taurus taking 5 and 6 and Scorpio 11 and 12.

On the horary, how odd, wild, bizarre and uncanny !!!
The gifts include handcrafted ginger soaps, a cookbook with many spicy soup and vegetable recipes from around the globe and a scribe ode in the humor and takeoff from William Carlos Williams, "This is Just to Say"....

I once denied the pointedness and pull of the bond but no longer do and have not for a while now. I have sort of given into some sort of path with this which always seems to be beckoning me. I feel he is aware of the siginficance of this tie but I suspect it straddles everything from erotic to frightening to irriitating to soothing (my natal PISCES chiron. conjunct his "stellium" of Venus/Chiron/Eros/. He may deny its impact or significance. He is very passive with me, very passive (in a sort of smiling odd erotic way). Meaning he does not aggressively pursue this and stays within bounds but oddly he allows (and is never discouraging) of every repressed emotional kindness, action or words that I feel compelled to express.

Honestly I see the experience and the bond as triggered with landmines and yet I cannot stop myself from trying to get from one side of the field to the other.

Last night, the gift delivery (see RETROGRADE! Leo 12th hosue Saturn) had a very unforseen twist to it. I had asked my spouse to mail gifts for both D.. and my father and I even told him what I was sending D for his birthday. He allowed both gifts to languish in the back seat of his car all day then called late in the afternoon to say he was not able to get to the post office in time for the gifts to be mailed and to arrrive today. Instead he opted to take them in person. I knew immediately that he wished to stake his claim (leo 8th house natal stellium with juno on midheaven nn), and he did so by walking into the office and telling the receptionist and the nurse who knows him by sight that this was a birthday gift for D. from "MY wife".

You wrote "The act of creation will help to release trapped energy." And this indeed happened. I was wavering about whether to go through with all of my words and small gifts and it was during that void moon that it came to me that I was being given a rare spurt of courage an opportunity to simply speak plainly in my letter and from my heart. Much of my feeling is gratitude for being a soul for whom I can be open without fear of reprisal or repression. Depending upon how he reacts to the gifts and note, I will know if I can continue being that different freer person with him. I am eeriely committed to physical purity with him if need be but with constant burning to push and scale and plumb emotionally (him, this, us).

[AquarianEssence]

Thank you for the encouragement that helps me know that I can trust the pictures that form as I read a chart. Have you ever thought about the fact that the 7th represents both your spouse and D? I've thought often about this as I'm married a 2nd time. My ex never opened Pandora's box sitting close to the cusp opposing Pluto in the way my current husband has, many times over. Not that my ex never did anything shocking, he did, but it was very different. I think he closed it again, shutting out hope. He also gave me a fungal parasite. But I leaned how to cure it through an essential oil blend I created. I also learned that I had to treat his tools, such as nail clippers, hair sissors, etc. That was his parting gift to me.

Interesting your spouse delivered a part of you to D but verbally laid claim. Please do share in the interception thread. Also consider, while you're pondering, that if it doesn't resonate as personal karma you've brought to balance, that it may be a beneficial tool to assist in your greater purpose and goals. In temporary charts, I've really seen this to be the case. It is very possible that it could open up doors that otherwise wouldn't be there or so easily opened.

[blueorchids]

You know AquE --other issues aside for a second--that whole Void of course moon has been really intriguing me since I do have the natal void moon. Do you recall how I said when the moon was last void of course I sort of had an ahhhhahhh moment in the shower and decided to simply open up my heart and go with it--fashion and send the gifts, the ode etc..and basically not be the chicken shit I always am. LOL, Well here is another interesting twist. I was startled to hear from D last night. He wrote in response to the gifts at 9:36 pm--MOOON VOID at 29! (hey don't all married people have birthday sex at 9:36 pm??? ROFL). wonder if natal void of mooon people see an dget things differently when the moon goes void....I suspect that

The message being really lovely and full of excitement and joy for what I sent.

The Moon conjunct so quickly with Jupiter in the chart seems to bear out the quick positive contact.

And here's another odd one; when my husband did that move with the gift I shuddered because D' is shy and I thought if they see each other D will be intimidated but it appears as though when he left the box, D. had uncharacteristically left a bit early and did not see my spouse nor receive his gift until when I had wanted him to anyway--on the Actual birthdate--following morning.... Do you see how the machinations of my husband sort of came to naught?

The final Pluto contact to everyone and everything still must be borne out...I will wait and see...

(interceptions stuff later on the other site...I am experiencing them I believe but in a way where love and friendships (taurus venus 5th house/ 11th house Scorpio with Neptune) are confusing and completely secondary to all else--i.e responsibilities...some kind of disconnect going on until now mid life with this D. thing in particular!)


--fungal parasite??--australian tea tree at 10%, plus lavender.....
D and spouse as 7--yes I thought about that also fascinating that if I went to house 11 as friend D. would have been the Moon (me)or 6th house as physican he would have been Saturn (the gift). The pieces here are very interlocked however I turn the puzzle about.

[AquarianEssence]

Yes, doctors are 6th but as they become less your servant and more a cooperative partner for your health, they become 7th also. I love they way you sort things out and connect all the pieces so well. Yes, I do think we do things differently with a void. Most everyone would assume my Scorpio Moon and 4rh makes me a very private person but its just the opposite. I loved it when I had a lot of customer traffic through my home and property. I don't even have curtains on my windows and would never have those windows with the blinds between the panes, can't get as much light. (Yes, we've far enough back off the road ) One reason someone may initiate something during a void is so that they get to do it all over again, quickly. Let's see, St. Patrick's Day, Easter. I know! You can decorate a beautiful egg to go with your chicken.

My Anti-Candida formula has both of those but also a couple of other's that improve its effectiveness.

[moondance7]

I'm glad I didn't chime in on this, though I wanted to, just because you try to help me out when I post. I was worried about the condition of your significator. BTW, consult Frawley's text on horary to resolve the husband/lover significator conundrum. Cheers.

[blueorchids]

Hi Moondance! Staying out of trouble I hope....lol...

You know that's interesting. No one is in fall, detriment or exalted here; he is dignified in his 10th house, I considered Mercury's state but was not too concerned because she was in Aqua and Aqua in Mercury usually indicates strong intellect and some solid ability to understand and even perceive what seems unperceivable, a bit of intuitiveness mixed up with detached reasoning. And I admit this really exemplified where my head was fighting to go, to be (laugh). That it shows as RETRO seems to indicate that I was flagging in that effort to remain calm, cool and wholly detached. (lol).

Mercury also resides in House 6 and house 6 is naturally ruled by Mercury. Moon in Libra 19 here could be problematic but with the close tie to him-Sag and being in Jupiter's term and Saturn's face (gifts) I saw that as a strong message. But for me the biggest thing here is the gifts. The gifts must be allowed their role as a signifcator-- to take a seat in the analysis as the horary question is focused on their impact. It's RETRO state seems to indicate the initial delay in D's receipt of the gifts, the seeming snafu per my husband's actions. Seeing the positive aspects between all the players especially contemplating the quick sextile w/the MOON and the positive ties with him and the Saturn/Leo gifts, I felt it should be okay. He would be pleased, even happy and not rebuff me in anyway. And he seemed so innocently happy and pleased, almost like a child. I do think me sitting in his 8th house as the Moon and then me sitting in his 12th house as Mercury suggests larger underlying issues with us...the trine with the gift being I love the gifts! ("They were so perfect!") and the sextiles the intrinsic friendship.

As for Pluto I must always remind myself not to read Pluto as Uranus. Going ahead this year with the gift has been a good erupting emotional event for me, but positive (sextile). My head has been turned and my heart flipped a bit but in a healthy way. I felt i did good, bold without excessiveness...

PS-- Since I have known him for 12 years as doctor, confidante etc, I almost always use him as 7th and have found much accuracy. I learned that here and it seems to work 95% of the time. I rarely if ever put my husband in any questions concerning D. and I also try to avoid drawing up questions about his spouse.