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Post by darkdreamer on Dec 10, 2006 11:01:41 GMT
Hi Kim, thank you for the encouragement! "Is it "Does he feel connected to me?" or "How does he feel about me?" or . . . ? ?" Yes, I guess, the question was a bit unclear. Well, it was clear in my mind. I awoke and had that question clearly in mind, but then I thought it was maybe a stupid question. It was the first question I posted yesterday, before I modified it again. I guess I wanted to know what he felt / thought about me or if he thought/ felt anything at all about me. But then I thought how arrogant of me it was to consider the possibility that I may have left an impression, how fleeting ever it might be. "but to find the ruling planets of the querent and the quesited, use the cusps only." Yes, I wasn`t sure about the intercepted signs myself. Thank you for clearing that up. "Again we have the applying conjunction and I think these horary charts are patiently saying that you will meet. Where? Perhaps in his 5th house (at an entertainment center, cast party or performance) and quite likely with some of your (11th house) friends. The introduction may be made through a friend or third person. " I will keep that in mind, when I go and see him the next time. But yes, I have a feeling that one time I will not only see him, but actually approach him and talk a little bit to him. " think it's a little unlikely that he feels connected to you directly if he hasn't had the opportunity to ever see or meet you. I think the horary points to that meeting." You`re right. Just, well, he has seen me, kind of. But did he really SEE me? I had that strong feeling, he was looking at me and actually seeing me, but then again it could be that I`m just dreaming this up, because I want it to be true. But you know it was like when you walk down a road and a stranger looks at you, you just know that he really notices you, because you can feel it inside. It`s like for a moment two strangers connect through the eyes. And I had that same feeling, just so much stronger, when I saw him on stage and he was looking at me. But then again,maybe it`s just wishful thinking. Darkdreamer
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Post by AquarianEssence on Dec 10, 2006 13:11:00 GMT
Hi darkdreamer,
I very well could be wrong since no one has pointed out this possibility but I first though the 5th house should represent him. He is an entertainer, after all. Sun ruling that cusp fits with the radical nature of this original chart. Sun is at the degree of the great attracter, placed in the house of intimate relationships. So far you haven't had a one on one intimate relationship with him but would like to. Venus has already been with Sun and so has Moon, your other significator, in opposition which represents relationship. Sun is exalted in the intercepted sign in the house of most recent past life. Venus is exalted on that cusp. Perhaps you were the one held on a pedestal last time around. The interception may indicate that one failed to communicate fully or spend enough time at home last time around which caused an end to the relationship, but without resolution. Just a guess.
For the second question, again looking at the 5th, Venus now represents him, Mercury represents his 3rd, thoughts. Notice that Mercury is conjunct your significator who also rules your thoughts and communications. He noticed you in the 11th house crowd, opposite his house, eye contact. Mars there, and ruling the cusp could explain the psychic nature you described. Also remember Aries, also ruled by Mars is intercepted in the first chart.
This time Cancer/Capricorn are intercepted with Gem/Sag having double rulership. Moon, ruling one side of the interception and your other significator, is conjunct the vertex. The vertex of the first chart was intercepted.
I realize this is sending you in a completely different direction. If it makes sense use it, otherwise throw it out.
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Post by darkdreamer on Dec 12, 2006 13:22:10 GMT
Hi Aquarianessence!
Sorry for the delay, but your post made such a deep impression on me, that I had to ponder about it for a while. Actually it triggered something that almost felt like memories from a past life, and I somehow had to digest this. Of course I don`t know if it were really past life-memories, or if my subconsciousness "just" chose to "dress" my feelings into those pictures, which were like a movie in my mind, and suddenly some other things made sense, too. If it were indeed pastlife-memories,then the way I behaved in the past in certain situaions suddenly make sense now. But no matter what exactly it was, I needed a bit time to digest it. And everything in your interpretations made sense to me, too. Do I have to choose which house represents him, the 5th or the 7th house? Because to me both interpretations made so much sense. And I always thought the 7th house was just "the other", not necessarily a partner in an intimate relationship.
HOwever, I do have one question. You wrote that Moon as my significator is conjunct Vertex. Is this significant? And if it is, what does it mean?
Darkdreamer
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Post by AquarianEssence on Dec 12, 2006 14:31:14 GMT
I think you can perhaps look at both 5th and 7th. Vertex is what is fated. You can't help yourself and you don't make it happen, it just does, through divine intervention or whatever. The antivertex would be more connected to the past and shows why the vertex. I think they work interestingly with the nodes. Alice Portman has posted much good information on the vertex at the zarathu forum. Hopefully it is all still there and you can search for vertex.
I think the hardest thing to do is trust our imagination, our visions and gut instincts, especially if we are Mercury dominated where rational thinking takes over. You know, how can we trust something that can't be proven? But even science is getting a glimpse at what is possible that can't be seen, disolving the boundaries between past, present and future, what is invisable to the naked eye, etc. Trust is the key.
I'm glad I was helpful. I knew when I followed my first gut feeling on this chart, it was the right direction. I did hesitate a few days to post it though, because everyone was focused on the 7th. I don't like to be wrong and doubted myself.
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Post by flower on Dec 12, 2006 18:47:46 GMT
Aquarian, you state: "The antivertex would be more connected to the past and shows why the vertex" So the anti-vertex explains the Vertex then (?) - The why of it, particularily in synestry making sense or at least a glimpse of the purpose? That would make sense with another's planets conj. or opp. one's vertex, anit-vertex.... Then, if we consider intercepted signs, the Vertex Axis being part of that thickens the plot more so and shows where balance must be wrought out in some instances. Very karmic I would think...
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Post by darkdreamer on Dec 12, 2006 20:19:15 GMT
Aquarianessence,
you wrote: "Vertex is what is fated. You can't help yourself and you don't make it happen, it just does, through divine intervention or whatever." So, you would say, that something about that encounter / connection is fated, at least for me? Well, it certainly feels this way. He has been a turning point in many ways in my life, not necessarily always a placid experience.
"You know, how can we trust something that can't be proven?" You seem to know me so well. *sighs* Yes, trust is a big issue for me. I once had unreflected, deepest trust in my (spiritual) feelings, but then I chose to turn away from them. And now I`m slowly learning to trust in my own intuition again. But it`s a slow process. And for me it requires a lot of courage to actually believe in my own instincts.
But following my instincts this time I had a look at the asteroid-connections, and they seem very interesting. His Adonis conjunct my Sappho by 2° His Sun / ERos conjunct my Venus / Vesta His Sappho conjuncts my Vertex / Saturn / Eros / Pan His Anteros / Pan conjuncts my Psyche / Lilith His Amor conjunct my Amor / Mars / AC His Vertex / Mars conjunct my Pluto / Aphrodite
We also have some mutual aspects like for example: Moon / Adonis (opposition and trine) Adonis / Pan Eros / Pluto
I have no idea, if that`s significant, but especally the Eros / Pluto-aspects somehow feel meaningful, because they are connected to the Vertex (his and mine). However, astrology seems to confirm that he left a deep impression on me. Well, I guess, you don`t astrology to know this; seems I can`t stop talking about him. ;D
Darkdreamer
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Post by AquarianEssence on Dec 13, 2006 20:14:25 GMT
Yes, the antivertex is the other side of the vertex, all axis pairs work together, just as the nodes. The south represents the past, the north the future. The connections your have are very intimate. I can see why you're drawn to him. Even if a physical meeting isn't in the picture, you are learning how the energy that is not even visable has an active affect on you. (having feelings that lead to thinking about him even when you can't see him, i.e. he's not present and haven't even met him) It makes me wonder, if these connections are felt this strongly with you, what might be going through his mind. Could he be going through unexplained restlessness? If this attraction was only due to the "Great attractor" degree on the 5th cusp then I would only ask, "Do he, and other "stars" realize what kind of power they have in touching people's lives? But there are a few connections between your chart and his. If it is in the stars for you to meet, the door will open. Where thought goes energy flows. Usually there are major planetary connections rather than just the asteroids when people meet, either directly or by antiscion.
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Post by darkdreamer on Dec 14, 2006 15:41:14 GMT
I think the Vertex is a fascinating subject to explore, and according to my very limited experience, it`s a very strong point in fateful events, or relationships / encounters that are a turning point in ones life. so I was very surprised to find that there`s only little Vertex-action between our horoscopes. His Vertex is exactly conjunct my Pluto and widely conjunct my Midheaven, but there are no conjunctions to my Vertex. Since he or seeing him has indeed been a turning point in my life (and that not only once!), I would have expected some strong aspects to my Vertex. My Vertex is part of a Grand trine with my Eros (conjunct my own Vertex) and his Saturn and Neptune. But as far as I know only conjunctions and oppositions to the Vertex are counted. In our composite the Southern Node is conjunct the Vertex though. "earning how the energy that is not even visable has an active affect on you." Yes; I think we have some strong aspects. Not easy, no, very challenging, but at the same time energetically powerful. I already mentioned that Venus (his), Eros (his), Venus (mine) conjunction, which is square the Mars / Vertex (his), Pluto / MC (mine) conjunction. There`s also a T-square: His Saturn - Chiron-conjunction opposite his Uranus - Pluto - conjunctions squares my Sun-Mercury-conjunction. So, very challenging, but probably it`s not so easy to ignore him, with those aspects. "what might be going through his mind. Could he be going through unexplained restlessness?" This is, what I wonder myself. Darkdreamer
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Post by darkdreamer on Feb 6, 2007 17:02:32 GMT
Neonartemis, thank you for sharing your story. It feels great that I`m not the only one. But I was surprised to read such a late reply to my topic, I didn`t expect any more replies. But synchronicity has hit again. Just a few hours before you wrote your reply he must have put some soundbits on his website. Probably really only coincidence, or some very strange thing of synchronicity. And the strangest thing is, I haven`t even really thought about him for weeks. " much right in front of him, it would have been an effort to NOT accidentally look at me in my opinion.)" That sounds very familiar. Even more so, because a friend of mine has made the same experience. Strange world. "That chance encounter with him preceded a long process of me going inward and getting back on my spiritual path and in touch with my bliss" Yes, it was the same with me. He reminded me of my spiritual side, which I had locked away some time before, and I`m really thankful for that. "I am not going to any other of his concerts or interested in attempting to meet him" Well, I certainly will go to another of his concerts - he`s too good to miss-, but I don`t feel the same compulsion to do so as i did before. I don`t know when it happened or how, but I guess, I digested what I experienced. "LOL! We have a *mutual* sun/moon conjunction and mars/venus contacts to eachothers mars and venus, and *both* our moons conjunct the other's descendant - his juno is conj my vertex/amor - and other significant connections - so it certainly LOOKS interesting." It certainly does! Maybe you should meet after all, just to see what will happen. DD
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Post by Aphrodite on Feb 7, 2007 0:18:31 GMT
Originally addressed to the wrong person! I've amended this post and admonished myself not to write when I'm tired...
Neonartemis,
Please, would you tell us more? You have my curiosity!
If I understand you correctly, with mutual Moon conjunct descendant, you both have Sun conjunct descendant natally? Plus, you have all those contacts between your charts, I wonder that you haven't tried to meet him again. What does your composite chart say about the relationship? Do you think that there is a significance there that further explains the situation?
I'm not really sure how to ask the question properly. From what little I know of your charts/life, it would seem that relationships (7th house) would be important to both of you. You certainly did notice each other. Yet, for some reason, he avoided meeting you (shied away?) and you seem reluctant, too. I was just wondering if it was just bad timing (transits/progressions) or if there was some other explanation (composite) or perhaps both?
In my own life, my EX-husband and I share two T-Squares in the composite. In the first, Pluto (8th house) squares Saturn (12th house) and Venus/Vesta/Sun/Mercury (6th house), which are in opposition to Saturn. In the second, Uranus/Juno (8th house) opposes Chiron (2nd house) and squares Neptune (11th house). The synastry between our natal charts is not that bad. However, I surely wish I had known about composite charts back then! This was a relationship that should never have got off the ground.
Looking back, I can see what happened and why. But, at that time, the transits/progressions were compelling for both of us and the situation seemed (it actually wasn't) desperate. He looked like the solution, and turned out to be the problem... Still, it doesn't erase all the years of grief that resulted from what transpired after.
My current love and I share mutual Sun/Moon conjunctions and same in composite. Plus, we have many other wonderful connections. This is similar to what you describe. So, I know personally how strong the lure of these aspects can be. Our relationship is progressing even though we still live on opposite coasts!
So, that is my story (part of it) and the background for my query.
We should probably move this part of the thread to synastry forum. However, I don't know how to do that without losing the relevant part of the thread. If one of the administrators wouldn't mind, please do!
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