Forgiven?

[moondance7]

Can I have your help with something that has tormented me for a long time? I did something wrong to this person, and I need to know if they will ever forgive me. I am sure I already have a rep on this site as something of a "Sob Sister" because I am always asking about unhappy things, but please be patient. My next question, will be positive, I swear! It's all those Cancer worry wart placements in my chart. Thanks.

[moondance7]

I forgot to add my own interpretation. It looks somewhat hopeful to me. The receptions are not good between Mars and Venus, but there is collection of light. The sun burns them, and they are in the 12th(turned from 7th) house so perhaps X is just not able to let me know if I am forgiven or not. There is an approaching sextile to Mars from Saturn, ruling the turned 3rd house of X's thoughts, so that seems good. Anything more definitive from all you talented folks?

[svenskasfinx]

First step in reading a chart is to determine where the question fits in.

First your ASC represents YOU, is it "fit to read"? Next, the "other person", who are they to you? Are they a relative, friend, lover, child, partner, ex husband... the house will determine where you focus your attention.

Understand? Another thing is, what exactly is the question?

Try to ask yourself these questions and then walk though the steps while figuring out exactly what relationship is prescribed to what house.

For example a "friend of a friend" would be YOUR 9th house... Why? Because the chart's 9th is the 11th of the 11th. Think about these relationships, think about how you will apply the rulers, and finally, if you don't need extra asteroids, don't add them, however Part of Fortune, Vertex and North Node should always be added. Significant name asteroids can also be added.

Try to read the chart yourself and we will come in and help you out, ok?

[moondance7]

Sorry, about the asteroids- I usually block them out after a quick look to see where they are. But I've gone as far as I can, or I wouldn't ask for help.

I understand about the asc, and which house to use, that's why I turned the house for his thoughts, 3rd from the 7th. What exactly made you think I didn't? Did I say something odd?

The 7th is correct for the quesited,significators are Venus for me and Mars for "X", Saturn represents his thoughts. What else?

Doesn't Mars in Libra receive Venus, but Venus not receive Mars well? Isn't Mars in detriment of Venus? That's what I meant by the receptions not being great. Please let me know if I'm reading this incorrectly.

Thanks.

[svenskasfinx]

moondance7 said:

Sorry, about the asteroids- I usually block them out after a quick look to see where they are. But I've gone as far as I can, or I wouldn't ask for help.

I understand about the asc, and which house to use, that's why I turned the house for his thoughts, 3rd from the 7th. What exactly made you think I didn't? Did I say something odd?

The 7th is correct for the quesited,significators are Venus for me and Mars for "X", Saturn represents his thoughts. What else?

Doesn't Mars in Libra receive Venus, but Venus not receive Mars well? Isn't Mars in detriment of Venus? That's what I meant by the receptions not being great. Please let me know if I'm reading this incorrectly.

Thanks.

I'm just having a quandary trying to understand just who this person IS, does HE or She fit in with that, and how do you "validate" your choice of the 7th house? Was it an ex? Was it just an "other person" or is it a friend?

I don't always assume the other person IS the 7th, its only automaticly (and still not automatic) if you were reading this for say another person who asked YOU a question. Do you understand?

Don't get down hearted, this forum has very busy people, and it seems to shut down a little every weekend.

Now that you validate WHY you choose which house to represent "the other" you can go on from there and other people will help you. Ok?

Be well,

svenskasfinx

[moondance7]

Hi, Svenska, How are you? I correspond with someone in Sweden.

Anyway, yes,it does seem to shut down on weekends, thanks for your kind warning. I'm afraid you will have to accept my word that this is a 7th house matter, as it is not a question I want to divulge any more information on. The 7th house person is a man, I can tell you that. I hope to still have your help. Thanks

[AquarianEssence]

I don't think Moon is within moiety of orb to Mars but Venus is.

I am thinking his 9th would represent forgiveness since the 9th and Jupiter is about judgment. If so then Moon in her own sign and about to conjunct the cusp speaks well of you. Venus is also in her own sign. Moon trines Jupiter, that's good, but Moon squares all the other personal planets except Mercury which is trine. Could he possible think you need to forgive him or is there something you need to forgive? If so, Venus will conjunct Mars to bring that but not before Moon squares Mars. Sun is about to conjunct his Mars and is at the degree of its greatest debility. Being this close to Mars further debilitates him. Sun would be exalted in the 5th of 7th, also ruled by Mars showing he needs to give love freely by first loving himself.

I would say the square shows he is unforgiving but it is clearly to his detriment. It may be saying you must forgive his lack of forgiveness, which you will. It is his own self undoing being in the 12th of the 7th.

The interception tells me there is an imbalance in Aries/Libra because something wasn't done to maintain balance there. This caused a deficiency in 3/9 that was then projected onto 4/10. If you think about it I'm sure you'll be able to figure out what this means.

What ever happens don't hold yourself responsible for his actions and attitudes. Once you've done your atonement let it go. Hope this is helpful.

[moondance7]

Hi,AE. Thanks very much for your interpretation. This is a Virgo native with strong natal moon/pluto aspects. and a mars pluto square in his solar return, so I'm not surprised he is still holding a grudge! ;D

There really is nothing more I can do except maybe walk up, hit him with a big stick, and say"Hey, I SAID I'm sorry". Thanks

[svenskasfinx]

moondance7 said:

Hi, Svenska, How are you? I correspond with someone in Sweden.

Anyway, yes,it does seem to shut down on weekends, thanks for your kind warning. I'm afraid you will have to accept my word that this is a 7th house matter, as it is not a question I want to divulge any more information on. The 7th house person is a man, I can tell you that. I hope to still have your help. Thanks

Ok so he's 7th house: Jupiter is in his 1st, being because he is the 7th. Does this describe the situation, is he "jupiter ish with a portion of scorpio ishness".

If you are represented fairly by a Taurus ASC in this matter with Venus in Libra in the 6th (probably not the happiest Venus can be because of the 6th but wonderfully strong in Libra with an ASC in Taurus).

With the Moon in Cancer, your co ruler and at the degree its at, it will be making a trine to Jupiter in Scorpio in a few degrees as well as it will move into the 3rd house (your 3rd house represented). Are your or have you written anything to him? I suppose it would be recieved well.

If you want to assume you did something wrong, maybe the key is your 6th house, his 12th house. It sugests that there are very deep issues there which may not be extremely confortable, but are the day to day with YOU personally. Your personal habits perhaps? Neptune in your 10th (his 4th) making a trine to your ASC ruler may also be a clue. Even though its positive, it may totally feel illusional, confusing, idealized. Maybe that's the "good news" rather than something "bad".

You see that Mercury is coming up to his 1st, from his 1th, so it also hints that there may be issues about communication which will set things off.. that communication may actually be an event to look forward to. If so, I can only suppose he is going to be touching onto the ideas from his own psychology.

I have more concerning the Venus about to conjunct the Sun, and eventually the Sun coming up on Mars (if you accept Mars as the co-ruler) you can see that the Sun is the gatherer of the light and possibly going to say something about the communcation between the two of you, if not actually "meeting up"..

For me, with the movement of the Moon says alot: Moon will be coming into aspect (trined) Uranus (moving towards the Moon!!) It says "expect the unexpected"..probably the first thing then Trine to Merucry, Squares to Venus Sun. Then Trined Jupiter, and finally squared Mars... remember that squares "may bring a matter to perfection" with an effort, possibly. With the other objects in these aspects and Not mentioning the Mutual Reception, for him being 2nd house and 1st house, and for you, your representation of him, 7th and 8th... Think about how secretive YOU have been in giving up information; I think its a sign that he's very "8th house" for you!

Emphisis on his 12th, and He representing possibly all houses from 6th,(mars) 7th, and 8th.. there is something mutually psychological there. I think you will finally get a chance to make the first step which will be recieved properly, openly, lightly, and then finish up with "heavy work" which may have been sitting there because there was no way to "open the talks" without going straight "into it". Perhaps this is what you need to do in order to get things started, I am certain an easy going yet sincere approach will open the doors to communcation, unless you have already started with your communication, anew.. not old ones. It seems to be a timing thing, and now is the time.

Then you can answer for yourself if you "did anything wrong".

I hope this helped, and please tell me or ask me the things you need to know in detail. If it doesn't ring true, [glow=red,2,300]forgive[/glow] ME for being totally off.. I'm sick, probably very sick right now.

Be well,

Svenskasfinx

[svenskasfinx]

moondance7 said:

.... native with strong natal moon/pluto aspects...

I am too I'm a Sun in Cancer/ Moon in Virgo with Moon/Pluto conjunction That Moon/Pluto conjuction being in my 4th house Supposedly there is a softer side to me, my Neptune in Scorpio quintiles my Virgo Moon from the 6th house..

Everyone has their "good aspects" but we all choose to use which ones are in our charts, thats probably why there is such a variation between twins and people born on the SAME birthdays and similar ASC.

I think we choose to percieve our aspects and use them or not.. Sometimes things that are too "painful" we tend to Avoid. Some people avoid the pain until the the world outside of them must intervein and do something for them to face it... (anyone know what I mean?) I would say that about my husband for example.

Be well, and hope I got some sense out of your chart for you!

svenskasfinx

[moondance7]

Thank you, Svenska, for the time you spent on this interpretation and your kind words. Yes, he is a very secretive person, and I did something quite cruel to him, but then, that's the way he treated me also. Mutual hurt, pride and arrogance I guess. Aren't people a puzzle? Unfortunatley, both of us have saturn/pluto conjunct, and opposition his moon. This is a very difficult, almost karmic aspect, for any type of relationship. I appreciate all the comments that people made in response to my query, and I certainly hope you are right and this issue gets resolved. I'll let you know if so.Thanks.