Does He Think of Me?

[Amoroso]

I had pretty well sworn off Horary, because Horary showed these weird connections between C and me that would not manifest any time soon in real life.

But in August I asked the question "Does He Think of Me?"



I think the Neptune opposition to Saturn the AC shows my disillusional state to "realationship" with C, or at the very least it shows that there currently is no relationship. Which is an apt description of things.

I am ruled by Saturn, he by the Sun. Saturn is in the Sun's house and triplicity--I am SO into him. There is no reception from his ruler to me.

However, take a look at where his "thoughts" are--Mercury, represetning his thoughts, is conjunct the Moon, my significator on his AC exact. What??? Insights needed, please. The Moon wil cojoin the Sun in 9 degrees. Another What?

Venus, secondary significator, will semi-sextile the Sun in the Sun's sign. Surprise, another indicator of my desire. The Sun is void of course. What is that about?

I sense something else, but can not put it into words: Jupiter rules his fifth house cusp, and is sitting in his third house Scorpio, square Venus. (A letter, a response in secret?) His fifth house is intercepted by Capricorn, and Saturn is my ruler, Venus about to cojoin it.

I am in a good place with this Love, this obsession, this Whatever It is. I have accepted my feelings and joyously turned them into fuel for my life. So many positives.

But now, curiosity!

Love,
Amoroso

[moondance7]

Amoroso, please explain why you give rulership of his thoughts to mercury. You should be looking at the Lord of the 9th, his turned 3rd, for his thoughts,shouldn't you? If I'm wrong, please explain why so I can learn. Thanks.

[Amoroso]

Moondance,

You raise a good point and one that I hope someone can address.

I have used "Mercury" for thoughts, because on more than one occasion Kim has said that Mercury can be used to show "where someone's thoughts are, where the mind is, on a matter."

I specifically formulated the question with the aim that Mercury would show whether or not he thinks of me, although it is true that it can not really show the nature of those thoughts!

I didn't notice this until now, and I truly do not know if this is valid, but Mercury and the Moon are both in Jupiter's Triplicity and Term. I could possibly be kidding myself, but it seems that we could make a case for his "thoughts" being on hidden communications (Scorpio in his third,) where Jupiter, ruler of his fifth, resides.

And I did send him two letters. I thought they were love letters, but when I look back on them they were both a mish-mash of mixed signals and Gemini double speak if I ever read some! He never responded, and, quite frankly, I am not sure how he could have with what I wrote.....

Thanks for the question,
Amoroso

[blueorchids]

Hi Amoroso,

I am always confused about my own charts especially when I ask about others feelings so I won't attempt a faux glib answer. However you know it appears as though the MOON does not conjunct the Sun at least not in the current sign. The Sun at around 4:20 am on the 23rd will go to zero Virgo; The moon misses that conjunction. Moon trines Pluto as the last planetary aspect which is pretty provocative in the public house 10. Also why did you say you were so into him. What of him?I thought your MOON going into in 7th house meant he was receiving you--into you? I do think it's interesting that the SUN is in 7th--him protecting his own interests here?

The Moon has made its opposing pass to Neptune, but the Neptune in 12th bearing down on your ascendant seems to indicate intense confusion for you.

[Amoroso]

Dear BO,

I so appreciate your response--I know what it is like to want to comment and not feel like one has anything to add!

However, the Sun is at 29 Leo, the Moon's last aspect before leaving Leo. Am I misunderstanding something?

And your point about the Moon in Leo--I think that is just another indicator of my attraction to him.

To tell the truth, I am still confused about reception, because in the very first Horary I had done by a "professional," he said that the Sun, as C's secondary significator, in Taurus--my secondary significator' sign, showed his attraction to me. And that my significator, in his significator's sign, showed my attraction to him. That is looking at reception entirely differently than we have been doing on this forum.

I wish I wasn't so confused. Maybe that IS Neptune on the AC!!!!

Amoroso

[blueorchids]

Yes I have heard folks reading those issues completely opposite on many horary sites. Who is attracted to whom? If you are in his house are you attracted to him or is he beholding you and attracted to you?

Wow, sorry. I don't understand what you are saying on the Moon's travel there. Unless I forwarded your chart incorrectly the 29 43 LEO Sun appears to move out of Leo before the Moon even gets there. I think the Moon is still at 25/26 degrees when that Sun has Left Leo and is already at Virgo 0. Am I reading that wrong? If so sorry about that. I am off to make dinner for these hungry urchins. LOL.

[AquarianEssence]

Wouldn't Sun void possibly show his unfinished business needing to be taken care of? During a void one cannot start something new, must complete what is already underway. The packed 6th house is his 12 so shows something of his unfinished business and his secrets, and dreams. The square between Venus and Jupiter would show a problem with communications but also something to do with the 8th and 10th as they rule there also. Notice these signs are sextile each other which is about communication and thoughts but also about his values concerning home and family. I don't know any details about him but this may make sense to you, like if he's married or whatever.

[Amoroso]

Aqua,

Your points sound so interesting, and, while they do seem to fit (and I noticed the Sun void of course, too--he is not able to "do" anything at this time) I am frustrated by my lack of understanding the basics of a horary chart.

The Moon and Mercury are technically in 7. Moon conjunct Mercury could mean MY thoughts are on him and "relationship," which is certainly true. I think about him all the time. I do feel I have adopted a very healthy and "hard-won" way of acknowledging and using my feelings for him. My posts over the past almost two years chronicle this journey! (Thank God for Kim and the other forum regulars!)

Or, if Mercury does signify HIS thoughts, where his mind is, they are on the Moon (me) in his house of self. I don't understand the first house in horary.

BO--your observation about the Sun and Moon was interesting, as I thought that in horary you allow the Moon every applying aspect in the chart as it appears. But maybe you are right!

Thanks,
Amoroso

[Amoroso]

One more observation:

There is no applying aspect/reception between his third house ruler, Mars, and my ruler, Saturn, if we use the third house ruler to signify his thoughts. Even if he were totally repulsed by me, he would still have "thoughts," I would think. I am not sure how one would could complete ignore what passed between us, but you never know.

However, the modern ruler of the third, Pluto, is trine the Moon.

--A

[blueorchids]

Amoroso right. it's a 9.5 degree conjunction. I think I am mispeaking here. I apologize. What I was struck by is the near miss there. The moon is yes in current conjunction and gaining on him but I was looking at the travels to come--the conjunction will not see the exact meet and the sun vacates as the last possible aspect of the moon. ...making that pluto trine the last point for the moon. Also I think it's interesting that he is at the end of sun in leo (strong heyday) and then moves into Virgo--focus on duty, details, the daily rigors. Perhaps he was at a place where he was really focused on you and then outside duties begin to push him on? The sun's last aspect was also the same trine you end up with to PLUTO in 10th. That's what I was getting at. Sorry for being so convuluted. (typical lol.)

[Amoroso]

Yes, this is typical of the horaries concerning me and C--it seems, so many "near" misses.

But, still the basic question surely can be answered by horary. It seems the answer is there, hidden in the language of horary.

Thanks,
Amoroso

[svenskasfinx]

When I've looked at this chart, I have to ask myself exactly what he represents to you first, formost. I've been thinking about it for a long time, if he be just "the other" or a partner, certainly he could be "the Sun".

I was thinking more along the lines, I would clasify him as a student, (3rd and 9th house) and a friend to you (11th house). He awoke strong feelings in you, and so naturally we want to look at what defines "YOU" as in the ASC ruler, and where it is found in relation to all or any of these house rulers. He was also a potentically romantic figure, in spite that nothing "romantic" took place. Another item to toss into the mix, (a 5th house, creative connection ruled by Mercury) so for me you have alot of options of what he IS to you, and with those, I suspect he thinks highly of you, as a friend.

Being that Jupiter is the ruler of the 11th house in the 9th house, his 3rd, Uranus about to trine exactly backwards in motion. That is just one thing I see. Being that the 9th house is HIS 3rd house, maybe he thinks alot about you, and has done so for some time.

I see the co ruler of your ASC being Saturn about to be conjunct by Venus, the 3rd house ruler, in the 6th, the house of daily activities and everyday life, work, ect. I suspect as it was your work to "teach" that its clear to me what he learned from you, he uses on a daily basis.

If we want to use him strictly as a 7th house "other person" then I suspect that the Sun is quite within the orb of the Moon and Mercury, in spite of it being in a critical degree. When before it changes sign I see it as being still in orb of influence. That is both between Mercury and the Moon. Although the Moon and Mercury are moving away from each other. Let us not forget that the Moon was last over Mercury, so its something you have been thinking about for a while, perhaps every day.

I would consider him a student/friend, someone you have feelings for. What feelings he has for you is obviously difficult to say, but my gut instinct is, look to the 11th/5th house. See that Jupiter is in Aspect to your ASC ruler, in the first. See that Jupiter is on its own in the 9th but that its also Mutual reception with Pluto, that being the 10th house, so I am clearly feeling a certain deep feeling from him, as Pluto will also be aspected by the Moon in 4 degrees by trine. Same true of Mercury... the timing isn't exactly something I can really ponder over, but I suspect that he does think very much of you..

Even if he be just a student (3rd house) and your co ruler is Saturn, there is still a conjunction. Take it to heart. I would. Where you go with that is up to you. But it wouldn't be good to constantly mill over it..

Think of your own partner, your husband, as the Sun, at the critical degree.. Is he at the end of his rope over this friendship? If so, why should he care if it were a creative involvement (5th house) or a friendship (11th house) or a student/teacher relationship (9th/3rd house)?

You mentioned the letters, thus your communication with him.. he never answered, they went unaswered.. once again.. I suspect this has to do with you.. Being that Neptune is in the 12th house on the ASC, and you mention the letters as being a mish mash of "Gemini" double speak.. perhaps the reason for being is that we see your ASC ruler is inside of Piscies, intercepted in the first house, it operates out in the open (you do) but also more effectively behind the scenes... Athough if we think about what's going on with Neptune (and Jupiter) we get a mixed up picture with Piscies being intercepted in the first house. Although in some way you are effective with communicating with him as a friend, it can't be easy to communicate with him in any other way. So when you say you gave mixed messages, maybe that was clearly a weakened Neptune where you can't exactly see how you expressed yourself properly. Lets also remember that Venus, your 3rd house ruler will effectively be in Opposition with Neptune, as well as your chart co-ruler effectively already in opposition with Neptune.

If you are effectively considering that you are a part of your work with him, this could even get more confused. However take heart as I see things clearing up, although you may be somewhat embedded in a Neptuninan fog. You feel elated, you feel dispair, you feel part of the music and part of your work, but also as a part of HIS work, if that is the case. One day, I suspect, when the time comes, he will let you know what he thinks about you. With the slower moving planets, such as Jupiter, Uranus, and Neptune, it may just take some time.. and maybe a small note saying that you miss your "friend", and hope that things are well.

Being that I too wrote a letter (this gets too close to me) to my friend, after he was angry with me, I didn't exactly know where I stood, and I too consulted the Horary, the Moon was techically VOC but the thing to keep in Mind was that Venus was in a critical degree. I found out a few short months later, that not only things were alright, but in fact I suspect had I dared to run away from home, he would have harboured me as a fugitive..

When he kissed me goodbye that night, (on the head) he whispered in my ear, "go home you married woman.." and hugged me.

I suspect that even if there are romantic feelings between you and C.. and arn't we just kidding ourselves, there certainly must have been some chemistry on those lunches.. he does think about you, but he too may not know what to say, how to say it or how to answer your confused state. Take it all in stride, as we can not control the perceptions other people have of us.. all we can do is try to speak our minds. Remember that.

Be well!

Take care,

svenskasfinx