Will I have a relationship this year?

[3rdhousenorth]

Hi all,

I've never done a horary chart before. Just for fun I did one tonight - I guess appropriate timing since tr Venus is conjunct my natal Sun today. Here's the chart:



Funny, it came out similar to my Venus Return chart from 2 weekd ago: tinyurl.com/rw3z7

Thanks!
3HN

[svenskasfinx]

I'm taking a quick look, not to avoid the details but I have lots of things to do!

I see this so far, yes Venus your ruler, is in the 5th house stating your state of mind is with looking for a romantic/creative relationship/with a lighter tone to the sexual aspect.. a sort of easy going FUN relationship. This seems to note the state of mind for what you are wanting, perhaps even just something of that matter; not that most people don't want a relationship to be fun, but sometimes there are different relationships, this chart sugests an easy going kind of relationship is what you are looking for.

The ruler of the 5th house is in a late degree, last and finally will be aspected by a conjunction of the Moon. The Moon is your co-ruler and also the 4th house ruler, so it says to me, with that also passing through the 5th this is what you will get involved with, but that at first it may be a rather shocking thing.. perhaps a friend will tell you of feelings for you, that you never knew about. Uranus in the 11th, about to be a hard opposition to the Moon says to me that the timing will initially "shake things up".

Jupiter in the 7th house, ruling the 8th house and Pluto in the 8th house ruling over the 7th (co ruler is Mars in the 6th, not strongly placed in Libra)..is in Mutual reception it means if you are seeking something "stronger" of a relationship, that there is definately a chance but also the need for responsiblity as this kind of relationship, if you are seeking it has a Heavy tone, but also great rewards.

I also have a feeling that Eros (as seen on your chart) in the 5th, is moving into conjunction with Psyche, (at 25 degrees Leo- not shown on your chart) soon. This has to say something about the nature of ALL relationships at this time. So I say, with so many fixed signs, yes, this is going to happen, but very slowly, fixed signs are known for slow speed, however once things start moving, they will be impossible to resist, and changes will come.

I hope this has helped you.

(also note that the Moon firsts makes a conjunction to Venus, your ASC ruler in this chart, so after the shock of things, it may spur you into movement, although you (venus in virgo is in its fall) are not in your "best place".. it means to me, that you will get things moving, even if slowly via your own actions and desires. You just have to know exactly what it is you WANT from a relationship, this chart sugests there may be some confusion about that, if you want a Friendship- a Romantic relationship, a Partnership or something else.. focus on what you really want, and then you may find you will actually get it.

Be well,

svenskasfinx

[3rdhousenorth]

Wow, svenskasfinx. Thank you! This is very interesting.

I don't know what to say about the Uranus aspect shaking things up, because I have no idea what that would be - Uranus is unpredictable after all. I'll just have to wait and see about that.

I appreciate your comment about the slow speed of moving forward, since I tend to have a problem with patience! (Natal So Node in Aries) On the other hand, with tr Saturn now on my natal Moon, I am feeling more sober about things.

Also, I like your comment about being clear about what I want. I think I know, but I may need to re-examine my psyche and be sure conscious and unconscious parts are in sync.

Thanks again for looking at this. It gives me a lot to think about. (Plus I'm interested in learning more about horary, so this - and following the other discussions on this thread - helps a lot.)

3HN

[svenskasfinx]

Your welcome!

I think there is alot of magic in being focused and clear about your objectives, this helps others also help you find what you are looking for. It never hurts to think positive either

Kim's website once said "If you place an add for poets, and get truck drivers instead, then maybe you have to look again at that add" (sorry Kim if I miss quoted you!) believe me though the bottom line is to really understand exactly what you want, and find attractive in a relationship with someone, and please remember to openly say it out loud so that you tell yourself what it is you want, sort of "programing" yourself not to stray from your goal and to focus.

take care,

svenskasfinx

[3rdhousenorth]

Thanks, svenskafinx. I have done that all before, actually. Have done the exercise of writing down in detail what's important, what's not. I've said it out loud and blown a candle to the wind, I've done it all. And I've attracted men that came pretty close and I thought wow, this is it. And they've broken my heart. So I do think I've been very clear but that doesn't guarantee anything!! Also, I think it's important to be open to something a little different, because maybe the universe has a better idea than what my pea brain can come up with for myself! (I'm joking, but sometimes we attract what we need and not what we think we need). And there's that Uranus - maybe someone unexpected will shake things up.

3HN

[Kim Falconer]

3rdhousenorth,

Yes! What an important point: maybe the universe has a better idea than what my pea brain can come up with for myself! (I'm joking, but sometimes we attract what we need and not what we think we need). And there's that Uranus - maybe someone unexpected will shake things up.

And Sven, you got the quote pretty right--I heard it from a lecture by Richard Idemon 20 years ago and boy did that idea stick! I think we can also say that if you are advertising for poets and keep getting truck drivers, you may have some unfinished business with a truck driver!

Maybe....

This chart tells me a few things:

For a 'relationship' we need your ruler (Ve) and his ruler (Ma) in aspect. Something has to bring them together. I can't see a translation of lights, or a collection to help (no third person helps) but I do see that if we give him the co-ruler moon, you have a conjunction in 9 degrees (9 days, weeks or months, as this is a year question). The conjunction of the rulers brings you together and yes, I think you will be VERY surprised.

Because this was asked in a light hearted way, be easy with it--for goodness sake don't circle dates on the calendar! Just let your life unfold and see what happens.

The last aspect of the moon is a square to Pluto, so MAYJOR change follows...like, a huge move or change of household. So enjoy your peace because this new guy (sorry I didn't grock that old new guy was ex in the eclipse thread!) is going to turn your life upside-down!!!

What can others see?

Warm wishes,
Kim

[gemstar]

Kim-How did you get that the last aspect of the Moon was a square to Pluto? I see the Sun sq Pluto yet can't figure out how you got the Moon sq Pluto......thanks! (And I chuckle each time I read your word 'grock'....strangely, one of my younger brothers used that word as a baby for the word 'water'!! He is a Cancer Sun with Pis Moon!! Weird word for an American small child who had never heard such a word...) Interesting as always....

Hugs-
GemStar

[Juliet]

Hi 3rd!
I have two takes on this: I see a sexual light affair for you when looking at the fifth, since your co-sign. Moon will conjunct the Sun in 16 degrees and in 5! A sure YES.
I don't see a serious relationship for now, because neither Venus or Moon will aspect ruler 7th Mars.
What I find interesting is that the Moon will actually conjunct your sign Venus soon, as Kim stated.
I'll write more on this...
Juliet

[3rdhousenorth]

Thanks, Kim and Gemstar and Juliet!

I also have a question: why is Mars seen as the ruler of the 7th, which is Scorpio? Isn't Pluto the ruler of Scorpio?

It's unlikely I'll have a sexual light affair, since I've had more than my share of those in my life and I just ain't interested anymore! Or certainly not at this point. If it happens that way it won't be because it's my intention.

My solar return chart points to relationship this year, though. I think I'd be more inclined to believe the horary than a question asked of horary one evening! But who knows.

3HN

[Kim Falconer]

3rdhouse North,

In horary, every approaching aspect the moon makes Moon, every aspect she can possibly make while she remains in her current sign is 'counted'. In this case, if we advance the moon forward through the degrees, the last aspect she makes to a Planet is square Pluto at 24 Sag unless the sun is still in Virgo when she moves to the end of that sign... which you need to check...Look in the ephemeris and see if the Sun is still 29 Virgo before the Moon changes signs.

Does that make sense?

I would use both Mars and Pluto for Scorpio. The traditional ruler is Mars (Pluto only being given Scorpio after 1930).

Kim

[3rdhousenorth]

Hi Kim,

The Sun is definitely still in Virgo when the Moon leaves Virgo, yes. Well, so much for that!

3HN

[Kim Falconer]

Thanks for checking. This means the final aspect of the Moon--the final 'event' in terms of the query is conjunct the Sun.

That would be a Yes in my book.

Did you mean 'this year' 2006 or within 12 months?

Kim

[3rdhousenorth]

Did you mean 'this year' 2006 or within 12 months?

I meant 12 months - this solar year. I had a solar return on 9/10, so I'm thinking that was the beginning of "this year"!

Thanks, Kim!

Leslee