Contradictory receptions

[moondance7]

I'm puzzled about how to interpret receptions that have a built in contradiction. I'm thinking of a planet in Virgo, day chart, having venus triplicity, yet venus in fall. Any experiences with this situation?

[Kim Falconer]

Moondance7, can you give the actual example. What planet is in Virgo. We'll look at it in context.

Thanks,
Kim

[moondance7]

Well, it's happened several times since I've started to study horary in the past month or so, but I recently had a horary read by a professional, and the same issue popped up. It was of the "unrequited love" variety which we've all seen, wherein I asked about an old lover who I'm still crazy about, but haven't seen in years.

I was Jupiter in Scorpio and he was Mercury in Virgo. I wanted to know about his feelings for me, but the way the astrologer described my feelings for him were absolutely wrong, 100%. She said there was very little interest in the other from each of us.
Truthfully, this guy was the love of my life, and I'm still mad about him. But according to Ptolemy, I'm not.

I can believe after all these years he has no interest in me, but I know for sure what I feel. It's been discouraging me a little about horary in general. Mercury in Virgo exalts itself, but loves venus and moon by triplicity. How can Venus be in fall? Is this complete negation or ambivalence? How do you read such things? Thanks.

[Amoroso]

Dear Moondance7,

Can you give us the exact degrees of the significators?

Blessings,
Amoroso

[Amoroso]

Sorry, I did not get to finish my last post. Anyway, Juliet and I have been discussing reception, feelings and horary, and she is an accomplished horary astrologer. I have been studying it on and off for a year.

I have found horary to be very accurate when not abused. (asking it every two days a variation of the same question--and I am sure we have all done that!) But I have to agree with Juliet that Horary does not do real well with "feelings." If you had asked a specific question, "will this man and I renew our relationship, horary could answer that." Or "where are my lost keys," or something else very specific. Horary can't do feelings, and, if that is what you specifically asked about, I think that astrologer should have told you that and not taken your money.

The one professional horary astrologer that I consulted--and professional sometimes means just being willing to take money, not necessarily how informed they are--gave an accurate reading as far as I am concerned, but then added value judgments afterwords that made me see red.

My two-cents,
Amoroso

[moondance7]

Amaroso, sorry, I guess if I knew more I would have done that. jupiter was in 14 deg. 07 of Scorpio and Mercury was at 17deg.17 of Virgo. It was loosely conjunct the sun at 13deg.03 Virgo. Since I was posited in his 5th, and POF was in my 5th, I was hoping for something more positive, but I guess these don't really count. Anyway, I know my own feelings, and this is a puzzle to me. Thanks

[Juliet]

Dear Moondance,
I'm not an accomplished horary person, as Amoroso states, I'm just strongly opionated on the subject, and very much a student! Furthermore, I had an accident two weeks ago and have not been able to think clearly at all, or grasp any abstract concepts. I'll give it a try though.

I'd like to see the chart.
Amoroso is right about horary charts and questions about feelings. They are tricky.

But if you had stated the question otherwise, in a fashion where the question could have been answered with Yes or No, fact would have remained that he does not receive Jupiter at all, and you receive him in term. One can have reception in sign, exaltation, triplicity, term and face. Term is not by far the strongest.

Here's the table:
www.skyscript.co.uk/dig2.html

Moon was around 14 deg of Aq, right? Ac about 10 Sag?
Moon in the face of Mercury, so some reception on his part too.
Moon is your co-significator, and provides additional info on where the matter is heading.
Moon is applying to an inconjunct with Mercury, which means adjustment, something not quite easy, something etheral perhaps. Amoroso could tell you some interesting things about inconjuncts in horary!

Your ex lover is Mercury, and is combust, so even though he is in his own sign and in exaltation, he is not in a strong position now.
Moreover, you are each in the sign of the others detriment, not feeling at ease at all, something 'off'.
Moondance, maybe this horary is trying to tell you something after all.

The POF indeed is in 5, so that means there is happiness for you in sexual relationship! Ruler of 5 is Mars, and about to change signs. Ruler of POF is Venus, about to change signs too. I guess there will be change.
Since Venus is ruler of 11 too, I wonder if friend-ly feelings about a man will change into something different... Mars in in 10, someone at your work?
In the chart I put up, and where AC is at 10, Jupiter is formally in 12, within 5 deg from cusp 12.

Moon is about to enter 3, will you communicate with the ex?

About my own experiences with the love of my life: I have had 'some' experience (three years ) with unrequisited love for an ex-lover, and always thought I'd never find such a great fit again. How wrong I was! At just the moment I was as committed to myself as never before, I met someone!
Maybe the new man in my life will be the love of my life, as it is now. He is only the fourth man in my life I've felt serious about, and I'm 49 now! The latest is always the greatest, to me. Maybe I'm so true and monogamous I kept hanging on for a long time... maybe needed a man in my life, even though he was no longer there irl.

I'm sure we have not spoken the last words about reception here. Does 'weak' reception mean there are no strong feelings, or does it mean the feeling energy cannot be used??
I need to study some old charts soon.

I wish you all the best!
Juliet

[Amoroso]

I am so convinced that "weak" reception just means the energy can not be used. I do not think it can measure desire or interest.

Thanks, Juliet, and hope you are recovering nicely!

-A

[moondance7]

Thank you both for your comments. I have been offline for several days and could not respond.

I wish I could figure out what is going on with this man so that I could subscribe to one theory or another: either his feelings are weak or he is unable to use energy. If anyone has any suggestions as to how to best frame an horary on this issue, I am certainly game for suggestions. Thanks again.

[Juliet]

Hi Moondance,
I understand your wish, but believe there is no clear way to tell about his feelings, although you could ask something like 'when will he get in touch?' or 'does he love me?'
Have you been in touch with him? Do you know what you want? (not that you have to tell here, just to know for yourself...)

Even the feelings of my nearest and dearest (or even my own feelings) are not always that clear to me, or to them, for that matter...

Depends on the kind of guy he is too. The father of my kids was so fiery that after a slow start he was always after me. My ex lover was a Pisces Mars and had a kind of drifting, passive energy, even more so when hurt. My Sun/Mars was opposite his Mars, and in our case my active, busy antsy Virgo energy made him draw back time and time again. And when I felt hurt, I was even antsier, so... And my own mutable energy can make me turn my back in the spur of a moment too.

But that's synastry, a different chapter.

Warmly, Juliet

[moondance7]

Thanks, Juliet for your comments. I guess I was thinking about figuring out what was happening in his life,more than his feelings. I understand that receptions show feelings in specific questions. I read Frawley again on contradictions and he says that contradictory feelings in receptions are just the stuff of human personality.

When we parted, he actively hated me for rejecting him, was very revengeful,etc, so I guess anything but indifference would be an improvement! Thanks again.