Divorce Horary

[moondance7]

Hello, I'm a newbie, just beginning to learn horaryand I could use your help in interpreting this horary about my daughter's divorce. Her husband has left her with two children, for another woman. I am fearful for her mental health as well as the wellbeing of my two grandchildren, who adore their father. The question was asked today, at 3:22 EST(DST)in upstate NY. The question is: " WIll my daughter and her babies be OK" My daughter is a Pisces , suffers from severe depression and is very dependant.

I am Jupiter,she is Venus, kids are Mercury and he is Mars. I don't know who the woman is in the chart. Any help appreciated. Thanks

[Amoroso]

Dear Moondance7,

I know how concerned for your daughter and her children you must be, especially if she suffers from clinical depression. What a sad situation.

I have been studying horary for about a year now, and I have learned that horary needs a very specific question to be accurate. If your question had been "Will my daughter be able to overcome depression? " or even "How can my daughter overcome her clinical depression?" which implies that she will be on her way to being "OK," then horary can give you some concrete answers.

In your question, does OK mean be able to pay her rent? take care of her kids? Regain a sense of self-worth? As a mother I know exactly what you mean, but horary might not!

Others may not agree with me--I am still learning, too.

Blessings,
Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Moondance7,

Welcome to the forum. It's good to see you here after all that red tape with registering!

You have the rulerships right and the chart looks radical and fit to read.

The question, on which wording is so vital, is a little 'open' because we may all experience 'okay' in different ways. If your daughter has been dependent in the past, gaining perhaps too much of her identity and sense of self from her marriage, then 'okay' may actualize in the experience of a traumatic separation that presents her with new opportunities, but not without pain and conflicting emotions.

Do you see what I mean?

I know that you are asking if she will 'come out of this unscathed' but the chart may reflect a result that includes a certain amount of 'scathing' and consider that quite okay if she gains some equilibrium and sense of self and well-being through the experience.

Having said that, I get a positive feeling from this chart, at least in the long run.

Can we plot the Part of Fortune please? That gives us added information.

Here are some indications:

1. Moon last over Pluto--Your motivation for this question is fear for her 'survival', in this case probably emotional survival. You see the situation as traumatic and in some way 'life threatening'. You know it's going to transform your daughter. You just don't know 'which way'. There is much worry and concern on your part.

2. We turn the chart to put Taurus (your 5th-daughter) on the Ascendant and we get a New Ascendant of 9 Taurus with her Venus in the 4th. Does that make sense? This experience is sending her deep into the 'roots' of her being, generating the power to build up a sense of emotional stability, from the ground up.

3. She isn't alone. (Venus is not alone in her sign) There is a strong (Saturn) figure 'behind' her that offers support and structure, perhaps even financial help and legal advice as well.

4. The trauma has already happened (Venus leaving the trine to Pluto) and notice the trine aspect. It may not seem like it now, but this experience may be necessary (Pluto) for her growth. (as horrific as that may seem)

5. The husband, on the other hand, (Mars) is leaving the square to Pluto--perhaps a statement on the conflicts this experience brings into his sense of spiritual growth. If you wanted to look at it in terms of 'Karma', you might say that the trine implies an expiation or release (at least an ability to accept and adjust) where the square implies (perhaps) more of an incurrence. As much as she seems the one 'done by', she may come out of it more whole and more fulfilled.

6. Jupiter in her 7th suggests that the divorce brings her new and fresh horizons that otherwise may not have been available. It makes her life bigger, not smaller.

7. The co-ruler Moon is inconjunct Saturn--legal issues and child custody will occupy her energy and also give her a sense of grounding and support. Looking at the trine to his ruler Mars, the situation may well turn out amicable, at least as far as the children are concerned and other details like child support.

8. I suspect the other woman would be the 5th from the 7th (turned chart) if they were involved in an affair before the husband (7th) left your daughter. That makes her Jupiter--in his house--which makes sense. The chart, however, seems more concerned with the process of this experience for your daughter and the outcome of the divorce through her eyes as opposed to how he 'ends up'.

Who else can comment here?

Thanks for posting this chart example. I know the situation must be very difficult for all concerned, and especially hard for you to watch from ‘the sidelines’.

Warm wishes,
Kim

[Kim Falconer]

Amoroso!

I was writing while you posted! I agree with your point on wording--and did mention it. Still I feel we can glean much from the chart, as long as we are very open about what 'okay' might mean! (and that may mean some very 'not-okay' moments, as we all know!)

Kim

[moondance7]

Thank you for your comments. As regards the meat of the question, my concern is will she be able to cope? Complete breakdown,as well as suicide,worry me greatly. I fear losing my grandchildren to the husband and his family if she breaks down.

I thought since Venus is approaching Regulus, it might be a positive sign. It seems that Mars being angular, he holds all the power now, and she tenants the 8th house of fears. Re: receptions, his feelings are very ambivalent still, but his closeness to the children is seen.

Any other observations by anyone? He is a Virgo, she a Pisces, so both are under the affects of the coming eclipses. Thanks

[Amoroso]

Hiya Kim,

Yep, that was what I was trying to say and you did it so much better, along with the reading.

--A

[moondance7]

Just wanted to let you know that my daughter's Solar Return chart puts her vertex (fate) at the point of a fixed star known for divorce. I forget the name of the star momentarily, but it's exactly conjunct. I also read where Regulus must be absolutely conjunct a significator or it is meaningless.

I am rereading all your advice, and really appreciate it. Thanks.

[gemstar]

Dear moondance-

Sorry I can not provide more information on the horary chart. Your concern is evident and I hope that you can possibly see this difficult time as one of a 'learning and growing' experience for your daughter. We all want to protect loved ones from pain....however, sometimes pain through transformation is exactly what they need to experience in order to become stronger moving forward. Usually we become better people after facing the fire!! It happens with everyone sooner or later and in different forms. True, yes?

You can worry all 24 hours of the day, yet it will not change the outcome. Change is part of life and trying to control an outcome with regard to someone else's lesson and Life is usually futile. Continue to be a supportive and calming voice for your Piscean daughter. Show her reassurance that all will turn out fine, though different and most likely BETTER than before. Saying these things will help with her balance. Guide her with love and a trusting of the future-even though it is unknown territory. (It is always unknown territory!!) The children will be fine and usually adjust much easier than the adults.

This experience may be exactly what the Universe has planned for your daughter so that she may learn to be less dependent on others. Her piscean nature will make it difficult to know which way to walk...so, take her hand and calmly lead her into the future with reassurance that although the pain will not disappear overnight, her life has wonderful happiness in it's future! It simply will take time...so take it each day as it comes. Again, we try to see the rainbows within the structure of sadness or tragedy. And we go on....as will your daughter!

Many Blessings and Peace to you and your family....

Hugs-
GemStar

[Kim Falconer]

These are all supportive comments, I feel. Thanks Gem.

Moondance, can we get the chart back up here? There are others who would probably like to address the horary specifically but we can't see the actual horoscope now...

Thanks!

Kim

[Kim Falconer]

Okay, now the chart is up....am I going nuts?

(you don't have to answer that!)

[moondance7]

Well, Kim and all, here's the latest news: My daughter and son in law are negotiating a possible re-union. The big issue seems to be she is unsure of his commitment and his reasons for wanting to come home.

She wants him to agree to working on the marital problems, but is not very trusting of him due to his wavering between her and the nanny (other woman). What do you think from the chart?

Their main problem seems to be they both have dominant personalities and both keep trying to dominate the other. Even though she is an emotionally dependant Pisces, she has Sag rising, Leo moon and Mars in Taurus. VERY dominating and stubborn. He has Virgo sun but Scorpio rising, etc. What a pair! Thanks for comments. Please explain comments so I can learn.

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Moondance,

Things change fast!

As I said in point #7. The co-ruler Moon's last aspect trines Mars and we say that 'things turn out harmonious.

I said "7. The co-ruler Moon is inconjunct Saturn--legal issues and child custody will occupy her energy and also give her a sense of grounding and support. Looking at the trine to his ruler Mars, the situation may well turn out amicable, at least as far as the children are concerned and other details like child support. "

In light of the new information, we might say that Moon-Saturn is counselling--working on the emotional issues and this could lead to that 'amicable' outcome--for them as a couple!

What do others think?

Remember the question wasn't "will there be a divorce" but will my daughter and her babies be okay. If we go by the last aspect of the Moon, the answer is YES.

Kim

[moondance7]

Kim, thanks. i want to let folks know I will be offline til the 11th due to a change in providers, starting tomorrow. If people make additional comments and I don't repond, that's why. Thanks.