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Post by svenskasfinx on Apr 12, 2006 22:24:37 GMT
I realize that this chart is at a late degree with the ASC at 27 degrees 19 minutes but what exactly ARE the rules that would consider this chart radical to read, and there are a few more "obsticals" there to get in the way of things- for example intercepted signs: Both Virgo and Gemini which make a powerful square to both Pluto and Mars are in "limbo" interception, just as Sagitarious, and Piscies...(which now to think about it, is not exactly surprising..considering how these signs are reacting) So we have a late degree... Signs intercepted, which sort of seems to make obsticals to the objective.. " a job I love soon.." Maybe one could say, I am either in the process it being too late because I "have one" by being a mum... and trying to get bits of work here and there...maybe one could say the question isn't valid because at this moment I am in a strange way, "my own boss" or that I've already seized a few different oportunities? If the question is "valid" Pluto and Mars are "me".. but so is the Moon, and that is in the 10th house. Pluto (retrograde) is making a very fast square to Mercury by its motion... but the Sun... which seemingly has nothing to do with the objective is the 9th house ruler about to make a Trine to Pluto and then to Mars, but not before it makes an opposition to the Moon.. Having Mercury and Neptune's house(s) ruled intercepted and yet making aspects to "my" rulers makes me feel as though they are talents or something within those structures I can't come to grips with.. It gives me the impression that the most interesting way out is Venus (a career (10th house ruler) and a friend or group 11th house ruler) but also "partnership" (7th house ruler) about to conjunct (but in orb) Uranus the 3rd house ruler in Piscies.. Moon is inconjunct to Uranus but it seems to be seperating so it doesn't seem to count... Jupiter in the 12th is going to make an aspect to both Uranus and Venus... and the Moon makes a semi sextile to Jupiter.. significant in career type of questions..they say.. but still because it has no ruling house, its hard to say exactly where it takes its cues from, and how to read anything but 12th house matters into it. I could always say "mutual reception" but that doesn't exactly make any sense here either.. Maybe the question itself was wrongly put, thus invalid..thus all the unclearness.. and that maybe things are well beyond my reach, you know with the husband out of work, (and did not get the job with the company based in the UK and Danmark) Maybe my pressure is being read into the question.. who can say? THE CHART-  Anyone see anything that I didn't catch? Thank you all ahead of time - Svenskasfinx |
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Post by Kim Falconer on Apr 12, 2006 22:59:51 GMT
Svenskasfinx, Hi!
It is a little tricky looking at this chart at first glance.
First of all, the chart is Radical and fit to read.
Why? We do have a late degree of the ascendant that can say 'it's too late' for the question but that doesn't apply here because it is the exact degree of YOUR natal Ascendant (yes?) which simply means the Horary Chart is speaking to you very directly.
'Normally' with less than 3 degrees or more than 27 on the Asc, it is considered 'too soon' or 'too late', but as Ivy Goldstien Jacobson reminds us, "if that rising degree is the same as that of a planet or cusp in the natal chart, there is something of more or less personal significance to the querent that offsets the rule."
So, we are not just fit to read but sitting up and paying attention to the message in this chart.
If I take you as Mars, I see you as intercepted and at the 29th degree (hemmed in, trapped, feeling interference from someone and 'at the end of your rope'). Does that fit? Ditto for Pluto!
The 29th degree is radical, shaky, upset. It's about to change...everything is about to change and you don't feel like you are in control of it.
Moon last over Saturn reiterates this feeling of limitations and perhaps even depression about the situation. I don't think it is a reflection of your 'motherhood' as I don't think horary sees that as a 'job' but as a biological function of nurturing and caring. The Horary 'knows' you aren't asking about yourself as a mother. It knows what you meant by 'job'.
I want to unravel this chart further, but the immediate answer seems to be a 'yes' --especially as the Moon is separating from an aspect to the ruler of the 10th and applying to a trine aspect to the ruler of the 1st (Mars) and sextile (Pluto).
The timing would be hearing something or applying for it in 11-14 days ... and being 'in it and loving it' within 11-14 weeks.
I think that things are going to change big time, very soon. The final aspect of the Moon is a Trine to Mars, and it doesn't get better than that for 'loving the work'.
Look to 3rd house/Gemini types of jobs that require social skills and interactions. Anything with the written or spoken word, teaching, teacher’s aid, clerical, commercial, PR, PA that sort of thing. You know what the public wants and you know how to facilitate them.
Who can add to this?
Kim
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Post by Kim Falconer on Apr 12, 2006 23:03:42 GMT
Oh, with Jupiter and Pluto, that mutual reception puts Jupiter in the first at 16 Sag. That means we get a Moon sextile in about 3 degrees and they are mutually applying.
Look for an opportunity (feels like 'luck') in 3 days to 3 weeks! I think you'll definitely hear something that fills you with enthusiasm soon!
kim
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Post by svenskasfinx on Apr 13, 2006 8:25:21 GMT
Thanks for the afirmation and remembering of my ASC at 27 degrees (Gemini)  Mars in Transit has resently "heated up activities" and I felt a bit disapointed recently because I feel so "duty bound".. But lets give some others the chance (if they wish) to unravel this detective work here.. I actually felt positive recently just due to the movement of Mars, that in itself must provoke some kind of "action" so what ever the case, I think I'm getting geared up to be ready for a huge change and a big task ahead.. and I haven't forgot about all my past duties.. Those I plan to do FIRST.  Thank you very much Kim! As always I look forward to any commentary because I learn more about what I see here. And everyone can ALWAYS participate and learn more, especially when the charts are so unusual.. Be well all! svenskasfinx |
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Post by svenskasfinx on May 10, 2006 11:59:00 GMT
UPDATE: found two jobs I feel fit me, one is in a magazine and the other one is an assistant to a photographer who needs someone well versed in Photoshop ect... Although I sent in my CV to both, I only get a responce from the one... the photo assistant, and basicly they want many answers and well documented answers at that to their questions about me.. my heart sort of sunk a bit.. but Am I counting myself out too soon?
So to this new information I ask: Am I qualified?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/kafkas_unfulfilling_muse/newspapers/IamIqualified.gif
(a link to who ever may be interested) but not nessisary... I just suddenly find myself feeling very small in comaparison to the rest of the huge world... and all because my husband doesn't want me working on any projects he calls "free" although I do get paid... (he said not enough to justify the risk of my time) so in order to do what I need to do, I need to get a paying job so I can do my other projects, loose sleep, and stay up nights being a "bread winner" a mother and "myself".
I'm feeling a bit "at the end of my rope" at this moment.
Be well everyone,
svenskasfinx
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Post by primamateria on May 10, 2006 12:16:34 GMT
svenskasfinx, I can't advise you on the chart at present but just want to send you some sympathy and encouragement to stay true to your heart's desires. At the end of the rope - let go! It will all be ok.
peace, pm
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Post by svenskasfinx on May 10, 2006 13:30:33 GMT
Dear Prima, thanks here is something for you- your dragonfly just reminded me of my own "skills":  I get the impression my inner self is screaming, "but I am ALSO a photographer..." Thanks for your blessings, and sorry sharing my panic attack with the forum too much. svenskasfinx |
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Post by svenskasfinx on May 10, 2006 14:38:26 GMT
UPDATE NUMBER 2: didn't get the job I first applied for, the magazine, they found someone, I just got the news now... oh well. Interesting timing though! I will have to try my best for the other one |
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Post by Amoroso on May 10, 2006 19:36:50 GMT
Dear Sven,
This thread has captured my attention in an overwhelmingly personal way, and I just noticed that your ASC is conjunct my Sappho!
I am sure, on a gut-level, that the question, "Am I qualified?", is not the real issue. The real issue, which has reared it's ugly head again my MY household, (ironically because I took time off of work and my own writing to tend John after his surgery) is, waiting for the husband to VALUE and SANCTION what we do. This has roled over into insecurity in your job search. His voicing that you need to make money at your job, or it is not worth your time and effort, is actually your inner voice personified.
I well-know this voice. And perhaps that's why I fell for C, because he so openly admired what I did for a living as a teacher and as a musician and admired my home and the way he observed me interacting with my kids. There was no subtle condemnation, not put downs to stay in control of things, for my role in the home and outside of the home.
But there is a long way between Eros and the reality of living. And if you don't mind advice born of many years of my own self-hatred of being a woman and an artist--draw the distinction between work you do for money and self-expression. Both are equally valid and both can be creative. If your husband has no regular real self-expression he will not tolerate the time you take for your own expression. It is possible to be insanely jealous of each other, even in a so-called "loving" marriage. It has taken me this long (I will be 50 in June) to get to the point where I could support myself financially if I had to, but I see that now as my own lack of self-esteem. Do you see what I am trying to say?
At the same time, I did take years of no-paid work to learn my craft. And had years recovering from surgeries. Both whilte caring for children, working for pay and taking care of the house and a sick brother. I did everything to prove my worth, and even though John fed that insecurity, ultimately it was my issue!!!
Let me know if this rings true and I can try to look at the chart from this perspective.
Love,
Amoroso
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Post by primamateria on May 11, 2006 2:02:47 GMT
thank you Sven... I love that dragonfly!! Its a great symbol to meditate on as it embodies all the elements and is central to some beautiful mythology. No need to apologise for anything here - that's what we are all here for, to provide support in these situations.... the astrology of love remember Yes - inside you're screaming to be recognised for all the amazing things you can do....I know that feeling! Its ok to feel like this - you can find a key to this situation through those feelings. peace, pm |
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Post by svenskasfinx on May 11, 2006 7:54:52 GMT
"....I am sure, on a gut-level, that the question, "Am I qualified?", is not the real issue. The real issue, which has reared it's ugly head again my MY household, (ironically because I took time off of work and my own writing to tend John after his surgery) is, waiting for the husband to VALUE and SANCTION what we do. This has roled over into insecurity in your job search. His voicing that you need to make money at your job, or it is not worth your time and effort, is actually your inner voice personified. I well-know this voice. And perhaps that's why I fell for C, because he so openly admired what I did for a living as a teacher and as a musician and admired my home and the way he observed me interacting with my kids. There was no subtle condemnation, not put downs to stay in control of things, for my role in the home and outside of the home....." Dear Amoroso- I totally see it, no need to appologizing for given me perspective! This is the essence of MY problem... he gives voice to the doubt.. the inner doubt I often push out of my mind in an attempt to believe I can "do it all", as foolish as that IS, because maybe I can for a little while, but it all comes back to the questions, "why did you do that?" and "why are you doing that, instead of THIS?" ect.. Funny thing is I too get admiration from others who are in much higher places, and he doesn't take kindly to that.. in fact it gives rise to hostility, and coldness, which was unexpected. I still am reminded by my friends, that I have "friends everywhere" if I need help... but that kind of help also comes with a price... HIS insecurity. So I have layed my pet project down for a while, (and shamefully "waste" my time writing something down.. to communicate to others my situation.. in other words, its getting quite closterphobic, and I thought I was happy living inside of my own privite "shell". I should write to you more frequently since you do have alot of life experience, you and Kim both have Venus in Cancer as well, I note.. but I didn't know you had Sappho in Gemini! This job that I want, I think the main problem is I hang my hopes upon something, something that would validate...but does it mean that its a "good thing"? A job is a job but shouldn't be a source of validation, my own heart tells me so, however we live in a world of "judgements", and HIS voice is also the outside world's voice, commanding me to "see things practically". I usually say to those voices, "why not do what you want to do, and stop bothering me about how I spend my time?" but when those who voice these things don't seek the creative within themselves, how can they let me be as I am? They can't, they need to heal themselves, and express that... or suffer, or make those around them suffer. Typical really, but I always expect things in a blindly Neptunian optimistic way to "run their course" and then I can get on with mine, but lately its not just doing that, there is something BLOCKING, that being, either myself or something else; so I dig in, get to work and grit my teeth, devote and endure (how Saturnian/Vesta can one get?) All the while, I do know, this is not how I would like to spend my time knowing if all the time we all had was LIMITED..which in any case it is..for all of us, everyone... even if we have the next 70 years to look forward to... its still limited. Thank you everyone for your kindness and thoughts, I will be in touch, svenskasfinx |
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Post by Amoroso on May 11, 2006 17:43:08 GMT
Just a quick note and I will come back to this later today if I can--Kim is right--Moon in the 10th could signify the ability to discern what the pubic wants and/or needs.
Sven, I am confused--was your horary question "when will I get a job I love" or "am I qualified for the job?"
Blessings,
Amoroso
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Post by svenskasfinx on May 12, 2006 8:14:19 GMT
Just a quick note and I will come back to this later today if I can--Kim is right--Moon in the 10th could signify the ability to discern what the pubic wants and/or needs. Sven, I am confused--was your horary question "when will I get a job I love" or "am I qualified for the job?" Blessings, Amoroso The first question was in fact: Will I get a job I love Soon?Soon after that I actually registered with the unemployment office.. only to find that what I was looking for was under the title "Culture jobs" which I can't be a part of "Arbetsförmedlingen Kultur" because I haven't worked in this country within a culture job or was in school for the past 3 years. It also comes to light it iw only my area which has problems with child care, and doesn't make it a priority.. in spite of the fact there is so much new construction going on, with no services to suport the families who will be moving in to the already overwhelmed area. The question: "Am I qualified" when I applied for a job I just found on Tuesday, and after sending my letter of aplication on Wends--- and got a number of questions which made me uncertain.. I had to ask myself that NEW question.. it was a sideline so much so I didn't make it an active link, as to save space on the forum.. I thought if anyone was curious to look at the chart they can open a new window and paste the link address (which stands in text only form).. It was a completely unrelated question, however there is a connection, as NEW information had been given. None the less I hesitate to reply, as I don't want to waste anyone's time....and the assistant to a professional photographer is very interesting to me... especially when the advert mentioned things I could do, things I was interested in doing and could learn and was thinking about... It has at least provoked me to registar for a few hour seminar (I will be attending 2 though.. one for pubishing/layout and new Photoshop program; and one for working with RAW files, something required for the job, which I probably can't get) Its often quite rare to find situations which provoke a person so passionately that they suddenly drop what the are doing and go do things to learn more... (however this happens to me quite alot  I do have to wonder, AM I QUALIFIED? Can I get Qualified? oh never mind thanks for your thought and time svenskasfinx |
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Post by Kim Falconer on May 12, 2006 23:18:20 GMT
Hi Sven, I had a look at the new question and I really liked that your chart ruler and the 10th house ruler are the SAME! It gives me a yes feeling right away. Then the Sun and moon are both ruled by Venus! And, the final aspect of the moon is sextile Pluto...transformation on the way...a successful outcome. This is affirmed by Jupiter in and ruling the outcome 4th (there by mutual reception)...pay the dues...get the credits and fulfilment! I so understand the origination of the query with Moon last over Saturn...we all fear if we are 'good enough' (unless we are psychopaths!) lol The first 20 years...heck, the first 30 years...I studied astrology I would periodically think...Am I really qualified to do this?  Am I good enough? It keeps us humble...and keeps us open. More soon, Warmly, Kim |
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Mars in Transit has resently "heated up activities" and I felt a bit disapointed recently because I feel so "duty bound".. But lets give some others the chance (if they wish) to unravel this detective work here..
I do have to wonder, AM I QUALIFIED? Can I get Qualified?
Am I good enough?