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Post by primamateria on Jan 16, 2006 4:18:04 GMT
yes, gemini rising, 9 degrees... just checked... my 6th house cusp is 18 scorpio too...is your natal chart posted on here anywhere? mine is under the 'observations on draconic' thread. pm
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Post by Kim Falconer on Jan 16, 2006 22:10:55 GMT
Hello Everyone,
Your contributions here are wonderful!
I want to post something about Neptune, as the '4th leg' of the grand X, and I realised we have much on this planet in other threads.
To recap, Neptune does not lend itself to linear, categorical depiction...at all!
It is everywhere and nowhere, infinite possibilities, the ‘wave’ before it collapses into tangible reality. The operant word here is BEFORE.
Neptune is intangible, ineffable and numinous.
Neptune is like quantum physics...As physicist Neils Bohr said, "Those who are not shocked when they first come across quantum theory cannot possibly have understood it." (Bohr 1971)...
Well, astrology students experience the same 'baffling' when they 'try' to grasp Neptune. That’s why there is the association with illusion, deception etc.
The problem is that the simple process of writing, or listing out key words or descriptions is completely ineffective when it comes to Neptune.
I normally don't quote myself, but I just wrote this on another thread:
“Neptune is a metaphor of something ineffable.
Ineffable means that we are not able to describe it. We are not able to grasp it. It is inexpressible, beyond words and ideas.
Liz Greene used to say that experiencing Neptune was like glimpsing the hem of the deities garment falling over their left toe....you don't get the whole picture...it is out of reach to the 'ordinary' senses.
Where we touch Neptune is where we connect with the divine---in a glance, a grove, an epiphany, a creation, a channelling, a mediation, a dream . . . but these experiences are NOT Neptune...they are simple moments of brief 'brushing the hem of the deity'.
In this sense, there is no 'positive' Neptune--there is no 'negative' Neptune either...
There is only the ineffable and out relationship to the divine.
IF you want to know Neptune, drop all the ideologies, and DANCE.”
Questions for honouring Neptune in our lives?
That's actually a bit easier...we can always ask questions!
(1) What part of your life do you give over to experiencing a communion with the divine?
(2) Do you take 'time out' to experience the oneness and interconnection with all life, animate and 'inanimate'? How often?
(3) Do you ever 'let go of control'? When?
(4) Do you allow the energy of the ineffable to flow through you to wherever it leads?
(5) Do you allow the 'temporary madness' that coincides with this participation with the numerous?
(6) Do you 'trust the process' no matter how contra-productive at the time it may seem?
(7) Do you dance?
A denied Neptune, eventually, works out about the same way things worked out for King Pentheus when he denied the divinity of Dionysus....it's a dismembering....
Sometimes with Neptune, it isn't so much 'sink or swim' (that's Saturn and you best learn how to swim!) With Neptune, it is like falling in love: you have to let go, and drown...if you want to experience that ‘other loveliness’ at least.
Blessings,
Kim
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Post by primamateria on Jan 17, 2006 0:44:32 GMT
Dear Kim and Friends, I hope my natal mercury opposite neptune doesn't intervene here and make it hard for me to write about it! (I had to come back to this post at the end of the day - the book I've been reading kept pointing me back in the direction of Neptune so it looks like Mercury approves of this after all  Kim your description of Neptune is fantastic, love it. I didn't know that Neptune was related to Dance... but that's making sense of a lot of things (including the above mentioned aspect and its influence on my earlier, failed career as a ballet dancer) 1) what part of your life do you give over to the experiencing a communion with the divine?the part where I'm asleep?! Also, I usually go on long walks through the nearby National Park, doing a walking meditation using a mantra (if I don't move my body I tend to stay in a trance all day long) 2) Do you take 'time out' to experience the oneness and interconnection with all life, animate and inanimate? How often?I've tried to remind myself of this constantly, in all situations and not just during 'mystical moments'. I have thought about this today, in relation to why I don't like touching people or being touched (that sounds worse than it is - I mean people I am not intimate with). Its probably because I already feel at times that my mind/soul is not my own (ie that its bigger than I am) (that mercury in the 12th connection again) and I need to maintain my little 'container' - physical and mental - or I'll be lost. Its a safety issue. That probably sounds weird! I've often been accused of being self-obsessed (ok I am a bit) because I don't appear to be involved in 'the world' but honestly I have been just hanging on to 'me' for dear life! having said that - I do really enjoy being part of 'flow'... and knowing I am a part of this cosmos. 3) Do you ever 'let go of control'Letting go is the hardest thing to learn for a taurus sun! So this is about health, yes? Since my days in ballet school I learned to smoke cigarettes as a substitute for food. Its crazy, many of us, sixteen year olds, did this in order to keep our weight down... talk about illusions, cigarettes actually interfere with the brains signals and cause confusion between the message 'I"m hungry' with 'want a smoke'.. so I was always hungry and always wanted a smoke. The only time I didn't smoke a pack or more a day was when I was pregnant, breastfeeding or trying to get pregnant... during those times I ate and ate and ate! About two years ago, I decided that enough was enough (smoking is not a good look on a mother of four!) and decided to quit forever (about the fiftieth time I'd decided this) but this time I used my astrology to help me... by honouring Neptune. I figured my Neptune in Scorpio was likely going to help me or keep me addicted and deluded forever. I took up regular meditation, painted my bedroom and bathroom white, decorated it with sea-green accessories, burnt candles and incence everyday (sea-green of course) listened to music constantly... took day trips to the beach (not my usual style).. made offerings to the sea! The worst part of stopping smoking for me was the 'fog' that took over me during withdrawal - so I got foggier ('like cures like') and got to like it, trust that I would be clearer on the other side of it. So now I am a dedicated non-smoker  6) Do you dance?[/b] this is the main question that has niggled at me today... I know I don't dance enough anymore. I want to! I've had this mad thing for Tango - which I really want to learn. When I went back over my journals to find notes on Neptune I found references to dancing in relation to the Sacral Chakra... there's a lot there that also relates to Neptune which I hadn't thought of because the Planetary correspondance is Jupiter - but of course he is the traditional ruler of Pisces. Anyway - one of my Sacral Chakra building activities was to do Latin dancing - I did this for about ten months but stopped after I had some surgery. But I still boogie around the house with my girls. Kim, I've been meaning to ask you if you know anything about this Neptune transit on Feb 2 (an equinox I think)... to do with declinations - and a whole heap of planets in parallel with the Sun conjunct Neptune. oceans of joy! pm |
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Post by Juliet on Jan 17, 2006 4:25:38 GMT
I have Neptune unaspected at 0 Sco, except for the generational Sextile with Pluto.
It's close to my Mc, in 9, and that is where I use it most.
I (initial control freak) have learned to rely on the flow of life till in the absurd the last few years, and it's always fruitful. It gets my family and friends worried, but even they've learnt to trust the process.
(1) What part of your life do you give over to experiencing a communion with the divine?
'Strictly' work related matters, creativity. It's stronger and more pronounced now, since Transiting Neptune is squaring my MC, which have made me more conscious of this whole process.
(2) Do you take 'time out' to experience the oneness and interconnection with all life, animate and 'inanimate'? How often?
Every day, whenever I feel confused or caught up in my head I take a hot bath, or lie down. Try to feel abundance and succeeding.
(3) Do you ever 'let go of control'? When?
In work. When things seem grave I trust, lay down on 'the bottom of the ocean', and that invariably helps to find new meaning and direction.
(4) Do you allow the energy of the ineffable to flow through you to wherever it leads?
Yes, and I need stagnation and fog before that happens.
(5) Do you allow the 'temporary madness' that coincides with this participation with the numerous?
I don't know.
(6) Do you 'trust the process' no matter how contra-productive at the time it may seem?
Yes, increasingly so. At foggy times I used to wake up at 4 AM in a panic about finances, and even that does not happen anymore.
(7) Do you dance?
Yes! Avidly!
J.
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Post by svenskasfinx on Jan 17, 2006 8:51:03 GMT
(1) What part of your life do you give over to experiencing a communion with the divine? (2) Do you take 'time out' to experience the oneness and interconnection with all life, animate and 'inanimate'? How often? (3) Do you ever 'let go of control'? When? (4) Do you allow the energy of the ineffable to flow through you to wherever it leads? (5) Do you allow the 'temporary madness' that coincides with this participation with the numerous? (6) Do you 'trust the process' no matter how contra-productive at the time it may seem? (7) Do you dance? Hej Kim and everyone, I too have Neptune generationally located in Scorpio, (23 degrees retrograde in the 6th house conjunct Icarus 22 degrees, and Hildago at 23 degrees) however this transiting Neptune in Aquarius is in opposition to my progressed Sun and Mercury conjunction in Leo right now at 15 degrees. Soon my Moon will come into play with this forming a progressed opposition but also conjuncting Transiting Neptune. I have to also do these questions, because I know it's relevent to me. I too know I ALWAYS have to do "the work" or possibly suffer the deception of Neptune on the "day to day" (1) What part of your life do you give over to experiencing a communion with the divine?I have to confess here, that it deals with almost every day things, experiencing my dreams, and how I react in my dreams, down to how I eat, I am a vegetarian (vegan) because I experience an interconnective relationship when I even pause to see any living animal (and plants too). I feel when I stop to let my intuition guide me, I can actually "feel" what animals and plants are trying to communicate... although this is not exactly that communion with the divine, it is a sign we all are connected to the divine... When I see my son's reaction to his father, another person or an animal, I see with him also how he seems to feel it equally as strong. It reinforces my feelings about this connection. (2) Do you take 'time out' to experience the oneness and interconnection with all life, animate and 'inanimate'? How often? As above, almost every day, possibly "overload" on it. I guess I seek it out because it inspires me. It may sound odd, but even stones, have a certain amount of "life" to them... thus I have a few "pet rocks" semi precious coloured stones I carry around.. (3) Do you ever 'let go of control'? When? I let go of control all the time, but don't let go of my "awareness". I try to trust in the moment, that eventually things will work out. Do what I can do when I can do it and take over, but maybe its harder for me to do that rather than "give over" control.. ah, but if someone were to transgress my blurry boundery, I do get very "MARS".... and react. (4) Do you allow the energy of the ineffable to flow through you to wherever it leads?Most of the time with ART... and Music...but also with sport and trying to get my Mars out...to be in the moment to see where it goes, I supose I can say it works that way with sex as well. (5) Do you allow the 'temporary madness' that coincides with this participation with the numerous?Its harder, I have restrictions on the time I can spend with my friends who help me evoke that "temporary madness" and then with my son when we are doing creative things, I have to try to turn it off when its time to be a mum.. and be responsible... for someone. (6) Do you 'trust the process' no matter how contra-productive at the time it may seem?Yes, I almost live it, and have to defend it, so as to not seem as though I'm slacking off but rather riding the wave when it hits and being prepared--- sort of like a surfer, most of the time is spent seeming to be contra-productive only to finally trust that eventually the wave that will take me back to shore will come up...even if not today. But unlike a surfer, I'm not looking for one perfect wave, just a wave that breaks the surface. (7) Do you dance?I confess here that I did actually try to follow in my mother's "go go dancing" shoes.... if only for a little while. I can guess I had what it took.. then I took my first ballet course at 27 years old, and was given alot of attention because I actually did have the right everything for dance.. sadly just too late in life to cultivate it into becoming a professional ballerina. None the less, some of the best advice told to me was, "dance with your feet, not with your head".. its definately letting go of Mercury.. and trusting in the body to do its work. I got that also with throwing pottery.. a trust in the process and easier when Mercury was totally tired at the end of the day. In my glass blowing days the same thing...my professor told me she did her best work when she was a little relaxed at the end of the day, with a glass of wine and some opera music blasting in the background. (very very Neptune process, very much like dance..its trusting the body.. even though all glass blowers know, you loose about half of your work even if you are "the best", its trusting that you will get something..) Thanks these questions, they help me to become more aware of that attempt at capturing Neptune, although its always going to be hard to do. (if you also notice, I tend to be involved with Neptune MEN as well (that hard oppostion to Mercury which Johan has only makes me have to live with it more..) take care all, Svenskasfinx |
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Post by Juliet on Jan 17, 2006 13:15:58 GMT
Sven, you might like to read Zelda Fitzgeralds book 'Save me the Waltz'!! It's lovely, beautiful. Her talent was buried under his. She took up serious dance training when the kids were already born, I don't know at what age.
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Post by jamma on Jan 17, 2006 18:37:07 GMT
Hej Sfinxi ...
What a joy to hear about your connection (oneness) with the life force ...
And very reassuring to know that someone else has blurry boundaries (although my Mars also comes into action, but only when I sense injustice -- he's in Aquarius!) ...
And as far as trusting 'the process' no matter how contra-productive at the time it may seem? --
I have spent years "defending" what I see is my "work" -- developing the richness of my inner life, which unfortunately looks to most ppl like I'm just goofing off ...
It reminds me of the parable of Martha and Mary (not one of the famous Marys, Magdalen or Virgin), two sisters whose home Jesus visits ...
Martha (I wonder if Martha Stewart took this to heart) rushes around the kitchen preparing food for the great man and all of the villagers who have come to their house to see him ... but instead of helping her sister, Mary is with the other guests listening to Jesus ...
I can't remember it exactly, but it seems like Martha chides Mary for slacking off and then Jesus says Mary is doing the "better work" ...
I think most of us here are Marys -- seeking to nourish our souls more than our bellies (although nobody could accuse me of neglecting the latter! I'm looking a little too much like Buddha these days ... LOL! ... )
Now I have to do something "this worldly" and phone the dentist ...
Aloha ...
J
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Post by Amoroso on Jan 18, 2006 21:00:38 GMT
Wonderful thread everyone! Kim, your new Home page is very fine, more to read there, that is for sure. Very interested in this grand square and health. It is hitting my husbands' natal Ceres in the 8th--and the AC-DC, AND MC-IC in his progressed chart! He's having some major health challenges right now as well as rethinking his whole job and there are many home adjustments..
I had a wonderful manifestation of the energy recently, where I adjudicated-- (the word sounds so judgmental)-- a national music contest for the disabled. The panel of six "judges" spent the day listening to over 130 videos, Cd's, DVDs and tapes from the US, as well as about 30 from around the world. Quite a pleasurable experience and difficult task at the same time.
The grand square really doesn't aspect my natal, but my progressed Moon is at 16 Taurus in the fifth house!
I seem to be growing benign cysts on my arms and fingers and face the past few years. Something else to explode??? What's that all about?
Blessings,
Amoroso
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Post by Kim Falconer on Jan 20, 2006 23:01:09 GMT
Just a quick note--extremely busy right now with deadlines but will be back for further comments soon.
Cysts are ruled by Venus in general—‘on the breast’ involves Moon/Cancer and on the Arms and fingers= Gemini and face = Aries. Anything to do with the skin is Saturn.
More soon!
Kim
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Post by primamateria on Jan 23, 2006 23:09:41 GMT
Hi all,
been quiet due to a virus on my computer... and now I have tonsilitus, which should not surprise me at all as yesterday Mercury passed 0 degrees and aspected all over my chart. The dreams I've had for two nights have been epics.
When will this Grand Fixed Cross be finished??
Maybe I should stay in bed until then!
pm
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