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Post by neptunewoman on Dec 18, 2005 22:01:10 GMT
Okay my question is related to a relationship...I want to know if he is in love with me. I asked the question December 15, 2005 at 2:25 pm, in Coral Springs, Florida. Taurus is on the ascendant at 4 degrees and the ruler Venus is in the 10th house. The Lord of the 7th house is Mars(Scorpio). Mars is in the 1st house conjunct the ascendant. I should mention the Venus(in the 10th), Mars(in the 1st), Jupiter(in the 7th) and Saturn(in the 4th) are involoved in a grand cross in the angular houses. I am not sure if this is a yes or no answer...I feel it is yes but with restrictions. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks.
Also, the 5th house maybe significant...the ruler is the Sun and the Sun is in the 8th house conjunct Pluto and in opposition to the moon.
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Post by neptunewoman on Dec 18, 2005 23:04:52 GMT
I just read that William Lilly says when the ruler of the 7th is on the ascendant(which is the case) then that person desires the best of the love...I still would like to hear from the forum.
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Post by Kim Falconer on Dec 18, 2005 23:52:23 GMT
We need to post the chart (without Asteroids first please).
Can you go through 'photobucket' and pop it up for us?
Let me know and I'll do if for you (there are step by step instructions on the 'into' thread of the forum main page.
Thank you! Kim
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Post by svenskasfinx on Dec 19, 2005 0:59:07 GMT
I hope this is good enough for an image.. I haven't had time to look at it.. but it looks ok..
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Post by neptunewoman on Dec 19, 2005 2:29:52 GMT
Thanks Svenskasfinx!
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Post by svenskasfinx on Dec 19, 2005 7:12:47 GMT
I'm a bit concerned about the moon at such a late degree... although it eventually makes a sextile to BML I don't know if anyone really uses that. It looks like the Moon is going Void of Course.. and the late degree seems to sugest that not alot could be or would be done...
What ever the case, maybe its ok to say that maybe nothing will come of this matter..but I'm not an expert.
Take care,
svenskasfinx
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Post by Juliet on Dec 19, 2005 11:38:46 GMT
It's complicated, since at first sight there appears to be an applying square, but Mars is extremely slow here, still almost stationary, though direct now, and in detriment. Venus is slow now too, will retrograde far before the square is perfect, and separate from Mars again! I also noticed the Void of Course Moon. "Nothing will come of it. All activities or operations undertaken when the Moon is Void of Course will not work out as hoped. Projects begun with the Moon Void of Course will either remain unfinished or fail to produce the desired results." Since Moon represents the action, there will be no action. Of course I don't know what you hoped for, what the actual underlying question was.
The Moons last aspect before going VOC was an opposition to the Sun/Pluto conjunction in 8. Must have been something earth-shattering, something to do with loss, fear? Also, Sun is the ruler of the fifth, was there an affair? Could the Sun represent the man involved, or was there someone else very shortly before this?
Venus (you) has just entered Aq in 10. You seem to just have entered a new phase. But: Venus will retrograde very soon! Move into Cap again.
Is there another person or something else involved?? Mars is in Mercury's term, and there is an applying inconjunct to Mars from 6. Is he ill? Working very hard?? Probably this is not what you hoped to hear... My best, Juliet
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Post by neptunewoman on Dec 19, 2005 13:53:08 GMT
My question is:is he in love with me? I believe that he is but asked the question because there are circumstances preventing us from being together.
Now you mentioned the Moon being Void of course...his natal Moon is also in the late degree of Gemini and my Sun is in Sadge. I thought the Moon was void of course when it is in the 27 degree or more. I too am a novice with horary astrology and could be wrong. Kim what do you think?
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Post by Juliet on Dec 19, 2005 16:10:41 GMT
The Moon is called "void-of-course" during the time from the moment of its last aspect to another planet before the Moon changes signs, and to the moment the Moon enters the next sign. Some links about the VOC Moon: accessnewage.com/Felissa/voiddes.htmwww.skyviewzone.com/vocmoon.htmwww.accessnewage.com/zscope/zvoid.htmwww.astrologicallyspeaking.com/voc.htmThat 27 degrees you mention applies to the degree of the As. A 27 plus Ascendant is considered too late in traditional horary. The consideration Bonatus is describing has come down to us as the rule of the early or late Ascendant; namely, if less than 3 degrees rise on the Ascendant or if more than 27 degrees rise on the Ascendant, the chart may be difficult to judge or give an erroneous answer. Generally an EARLY ASCENDANT (minus 3 degrees) means the matter is premature. It's too early to render a judgment. More information must come to light. A LATE ASCENDANT means the matter has past its prime. The question is "post-mature." There's no early or late ascendant in your chart. I remember where we discussed horaries that were radical anyway, even though the ascendant was late, because the ascendant related to something in the natal charts of the people concerned. Juliet
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Post by svenskasfinx on Dec 19, 2005 16:15:26 GMT
........... "Now you mentioned the Moon being Void of course...his natal Moon is also in the late degree of Gemini and my Sun is in Sadge. I thought the Moon was void of course when it is in the 27 degree or more. I too am a novice with horary astrology and could be wrong." Void of course moon can happen any time but mostly considered at the last degrees in Horary because of not about to form any applying aspects until AFTER it's left the sign... after that, it's time frame doesn't apply to your question, in theory. I have a Horary chart where the Moon is at exactly 27 degrees 42 minutes.. but it is in aplying sextile aspect to Mercury at 29 degrees 15 minutes.. and an applying trine to the Part of Fortune at 29 degrees 05 minutes. Do you understand how that works? Now although there are promising aspects in the chart and a Sun 6 degrees 24 minutes in an applying trine to Uranus retrograde at 6 degrees 58 minutes the problem is the time frame of the Moon going into the next sign before the Moon's last aspects apply. If the Moon goes out of sign before this aspect completes I get the impression that it is null... if its a much larger space, with even slower moving bodies, none of that can apply even though the planets are moving into "configuration" because it promises nothing when the Moon goes out of sign. (Kim you've shown me a good example of this with the Moon at the 0 degree in one of my charts.. the exact opposite of void of course because it promises alot of different events..) Take care, svenskasfinx
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Post by neptunewoman on Dec 19, 2005 17:50:46 GMT
Guys thanks for such a speedy response...now I do understand about the moon being void of course. So when this happens do I just not read the chart and ask the question again or do I have my answer...which is no?
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Post by svenskasfinx on Dec 19, 2005 18:06:42 GMT
Hej Neptune Woman:
My feelings about the Void of Course Moon would be.. it is your answer. It either means nothing will come of it, or there is nothing to worry about. (which is nice actually)
Unless there is a complete change in your situation, the question should not be asked again.. for example if it pertains to information you get after the fact that changes the essencial state of your mind when you asked the question the first time. When hidden conditions show themselves or change for example..
I suspect, if he is behaving in a way that shows he loves you, perhaps you have nothing to worry about-- who knows...
but asking the question again isn't really what you are supposed to do. Even if the Moon is Void of course because it actually does answer a question..
for example if you got an ASC "too late" it would be an answer as well.. rather saying some of the conditions at work, but also that it is too late for you to do anything about it..
and with an ASC "too early" you also get an answer there too.. (its too early to tell) but if the situation you are questioning about changes, you do have the right to ask a question along similar lines.. its just that, most of the time, the same question would get answered in spite of NO real changes in the conditions and/or circumstances surrounding the question....
..this is why the "no question is asked twice policy" comes into play.. and its a long time rule it seems, not only in horary... not even if you just "reword it".
take care,
svenskasfinx
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Post by neptunewoman on Dec 19, 2005 19:26:25 GMT
Svenskasfinx,
Your answer to my question was very detailed...thanks for the response. I still don't understand some things about horary astrology but this was great for learning purposes. Thanks again!
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Post by Kim Falconer on Dec 20, 2005 23:11:06 GMT
NeptuneWoman, Sorry I don't have time to elaborate, but Juliet and Sven are right onto it re the Void of Course Moon. If it were a project, I'd say nothing's happening--noting will eventuate. In the case of your question, you can stop worrying. There's nothing to stress about. In regards to your question, his 'in-love-ness' everything is fine--He's there with it. You always read a chart that has void of course moon. The answer is immediate--"nothing"...either 'nothing will happen" (if it is a question about something 'happening') or 'nothing to worry about (in questions like, does he love me, or is the illness serious etc.) The void of course moon works this way because the moons approaching aspects tell us WHAT will happen and in what order---VOC has NO events. Does this make sense? Kim
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Post by neptunewoman on Dec 21, 2005 3:15:16 GMT
Kim it makes perfect sense and thank you so much for the response!!!
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