job question: a grand fixed cross

[primamateria]

hello everyone...

Its insane that these events have culminated NOW but I have finally had a job interview, which I think went very well - and here is the chart for the outcome of the interview...


as a side note, I haven't had a job in quite some time, have been hiding away, having babies and studying for ages, following a career disaster in 1999 (at height of Saturn's return!). ... my natal Sun is 10 Taurus so Saturn is 1 degree separating from a square aspect (and 10 degrees from squaring my natal Saturn, also separating)... that moon-chiron, I have at 3 aqu in my solar return 11th house!

also, this chart is spookily similar to a chart I cast asking 'will I get a job soon?' over a month ago.

So here goes:

The querent signifier is Saturn, as ruler of aquarius (we use traditional rulers for horary, yes?) in 6. I'm thinking in this case Saturn is a positive sign, the sixth being associated with work....however, the 6th ruler, moon, is applying in opposition to Saturn, hiding over in 12...I am not ready for this? (this aspect is also in my natal chart, and again in my solar return)

I understand that in horary astrology the 10th is the house of the employer... scorpio on the tenth cusp - with its ruler in residence and quintile uranus may be a positive indicator; my understanding of quintiles is that they indicate evolutionary potential - is there a specific way to read quintiles in horary?

Since I first put this chart up I noted Kris's comments on another thread relating to retrograde planets indicating a 'crisis', and I'm concerned that mars on the IC, opp sun may mean that I've miscommunicated during the interview.


Horary astrology is much harder than other divinatory methods!

Any and all help is greatly appreciated

Love and Light everyone,
PrimaMateria

[Amoroso]

Dear PM,

I think no other branch of astrology has proved so confusing to me than Horary. I think it is because I "see" so much behind the symbols that I am constantly in a state of "what if?" And horary principals are pretty exact.

As usual, this is a total disclaimer--I am just trying to learn, so wait for an interpretation from someone who's in the know!

As far as traditional versus modern rulerships--there is a thread on that topic under "Horary" which you may find interesting. Personally, I am waiting to see if something will come to pass which uses a modern rulership, and if it doesn't, I will revisit the chart on the forum to explore this topic.

As you know, the 6th house is considered one of the earth (substance) houses. (2, 6, 10) The second house represents the native's talents, the 6th her practical use of those talents in work, and the 10th the structure that is built from the work of the 6th. It reflects the properties of Virgo: critical-in-order-to-realize-perfection,
discerning, meticulous, etc. It seems to hold both the energies of "employment" as well as the traditional horary meaning of "afflicted."

Saturn (you) is in his detriment in Leo in the 6th, reflecting your concerns about taking the job. I find it interesting that the employer, Mars, is retrograde at the IC--is it possible that you don't have all the info you need to accept the job, or that at some fundamental level the company is in crisis? The Sun, in it's "face," in Scorpio at the MC, might mean that their pubic image is good but there is something more to the surface image that you may need to know.

I think your description of the Moon is pretty accurate.

Does any of this fit or help?

And just for the record, I don't think having babies and studying is "hiding!" Everything in its own Time!

Blessings,
Amoroso

[primamateria]

thanks Amoroso...

you are very good at house derivation, which I'm trying to learn at the moment - so many books, so little time .... you've given me something to think about.

and Thankyou so much! , you are always always helping and offering support Amoroso - blessings on you!

Light, PM

[Kim Falconer]

I'll comment on this as soon as I have time!

kim

[Juliet]

Hi Prima!

In horary I always use the 10th for jobs. www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h10.html
But then I'm a tradionalist.

Ruler of 10 is on the IC and actually applying in retrograde to a square with your ruler Saturn. When the aspect is almost perfect Mars takes the POF in its stride so to speak...
Moon will apply to a square with Mars too, so you have a definite Yes in my eyes.
It's late now, I'll be back tomorrow.

Juliet

[Kris]

Hi Prima,

This chart looks too complex FOR ME to judge. Confusion caught my mind, so I don't offer any comments but follow the posts.

I am keen to know the outcome.

Amoroso, the 2,6,10 explanation is very good. I have been following it for years.

Kris

[primamateria]

Hi Everyone,

thanks for having a look... Kris it surprises me that you find this too complex, you have given so many concise readings here, but perhaps the grand cross is causing us all a bit of tension and confusion this week?

Kim, I look forward to reading your take on this chart... hope you are busy because you're reaping the benefits of Jupiter in Scorpio already!

Meanwhile, this chart's question will have a quantifiable outcome by the 22nd, when I expect to hear back about the job. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Light,
PM

[primamateria]

Hi all,

a quick update... I haven't heard back on this particular job as yet, but was offered a job last night by my father (who I last worked for in 1999)...I am predicting that I'll hear back about 'fireflies' on Tuesday next week.

Cheers!
PM

[Kris]

Hi Prima,

My mind was looking at something in the chart that gave me a strange feeling. I didn't like to pump it on your aspring mind because prevailing engery can influence the outcome. Since the interview is over and the outcome is awaited, honesty speaking, I felt you do not need any advise to follow. So I used the word 'confusion' and kept quiet.

I am eager to know the result
GOOD LUCK

Kris

[primamateria]

Hi Kris,

I'm interested in this strange feeling of yours Perhaps when there is an outcome you'll tell me about it?? I agree with you about energy influencing outcomes, and 'strange' is something I am well accustomed to these days... I've decided to take the job with my father, and to take any job offered to me next week as well, both of which are part time anyway - although my father offers me better pay, my own hours, and the opportunity to put some of my skills to good use, in an interesting setting - but I am trying hard to believe that he is 'for real'.

thanks for your help!

PM

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Prima,

I am not ecstatic about the rulers and moon all being locked into a Fixed grand cross. The ancients would do more than cringe!

Initially, it feels like IF you get the job, it won't be quite what you thought--you may not be so pleased with the outcome.

HOWEVER,
we do allow the modern rulers and in this case Uranus is in mutual reception with Neptune, which means they can swap places (but keep the degrees) which gets Neptune out of the picture--perhaps offering more clarity.

I get the feeling that you may be very pleased to get the job but find out that there are limits or conflicts of time and interest you hadn't counted on.

Please let us know the results!!!

And congratulations on just having a good interview, and more work lined up. That's great!

Kim

[primamateria]

thanks Kim, I appreciate you taking the time!

<<<I get the feeling that you may be very pleased to get the job but find out that there are limits or conflicts of time and interest you hadn't counted on.>>>

yes, one of the reasons why I've resisted going back to work is that I find the retail industry very demanding for very little benefits. I guess I'll find out about this one soon enough now, and keep everyone up to date.

Light, PM

[primamateria]

Hello All,

I think its safe to say now that I didn't get this job - they told me that they'd get back to me on Tues 22nd but I haven't heard a word. In other news I've become self employed again, and have a contract with one of my father's companies (fish processing, very glamorous putting together a marketing database.
Kris - I'm really intrigued by your earlier comments on this and look forward to your interpretation now that I have an outcome.
thanks again everyone,
PM

[Kris]

Dear PM,

In your case, both AC lord Uranus ( I take modern ruler for Aqu and both modern and traditional rulers for Sco and Pis. We discussed it elsewhere) and MC lord Mars are retrograde. I got a NO straightaway. The signals you mentioned indicate 'prevailing' issues but not the outcome. Amoroso pointed out the weakness of these significators. Retrograde Mars lord of 3rd house in 3rd and in fall suggested that you are not keen to communicate with the firm. This feel is totally against what you mentioned. Strange.... Isn't it ? Mars being lord of 3rd as well as 10th put me in dilemma as to who falls back finally. You or the employer ?

I know how aspirations influence the mindset. Negative comments deprive us of much needed energy in achieving the target. I use to feel that people who make such comments are innocent. But over the years I understand their malicious attitude and leant to live with a feel of hurt.

I always make it a point to encourage and possibly guide others in their quest for success. I generally keep quiet if nothing help their cause.

Wish you good luck

Kris

[primamateria]

Kris thankyou for your interpretation. Given the severe nature of the astrology at the time I asked the question, its not such a shock. (btw I got a letter today telling me I am 'unsuccessful' with this job application)...thankyou also for your kindness in not giving a 'negative' interpretation while I was feeling so positive about the interview - I agree with what you are saying regarding negative energy and its influence on outcomes. In this case its not a bad thing that I didn't get the job because I now realise that it isn't what I want anyway. I dont' even know if the job I have accepted with my father is the one I want!
Joy and Peace,
PrimaMateria