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Post by Amoroso on Nov 6, 2005 23:25:53 GMT
Dear Kim et All,
We discussed a horary awhile ago where the ASC was at 29 degrees, and Kim pointed out that we could still read it because my natal ASC is at 29 degrees.
Does that just apply to the ASC? Or is it for any planet in the natal?
For example, if the horary ASC is at 0 degrees--normally considered "too soon" to read, but my natal Uranus is at 0 degrees, can we still read the chart?
Thanks! Amoroso
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Post by Kris on Nov 7, 2005 6:12:34 GMT
Dear Amoroso,
Traditionally the horary chart qualifies to read if (1) Moon and AC are not via combusta (2) Saturn is not in 7th (3) Moon is not void of course.
If your natal AC is at a critical degree (say 29th) you experience the influence of anaretic degree regularly in life as a psychological process or function. Hence, Kim suggested the horary chart with AC at 29th degree could still be read as an exception. Horary AC at 29th degree simply echoes the natal AC style, the rhythm is maintained. That's all. A planet cann't resonate in similar manner with AC because planet is an energy whereas sign is drive or personal style.
AC in the begining of sign suggest the 'matter in hand' is at a tender stage whereas the very late degree indicate "too late" to attempt to have a solution.
AC at 0 degrees in horary does not disqualify the chart to read. It simply suggest the solution is distant.
regards Kris
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Post by Amoroso on Nov 7, 2005 12:07:10 GMT
Thanks, Kris. Your explanation was very helpful!
Blessings, Amoroso
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Post by chrissymgreen on Nov 7, 2005 17:41:15 GMT
dear amoroso, i came across this passage for you, thought you might like to read this:
In August, Alphee Lavoie, possibly this country's greatest horary astrologer, wrote the following:
"I have never seen a horary chart that could not be read. I don't believe in all the rules that they used to say that the chart is not radical. All charts are radical. This kind of thinking never led me wrong. When somebody has an important question in mind the heavens are there to help them. Some are harder to read than others but it doesn't mean that you can't read them."
Personally, I don't know if I'd go that far in theory. But in practice, I almost always do. Where Alphee and I might disagree (which is what he is referring to above) is that if a chart looks radical--if the relationships between the planets and their positions reflect the question's history--that's good enough for me, and I am not much persuaded by ascending degrees or Saturn in the seventh and so forth.
I think Saturn in the seventh is usually is a personal message to the astrologer. For me, when I recalculate, most of the time I have found that I made a mistake in calculating the chart: am vs. pm, time mistake, Brooklyn in Cattaraugus County versus Kings County--that sort of thing.
The void-of-course Moon is always a good thing to bring up at parties. You'll usually get a bunch of the same response--it won't go anywhere, yadda, yadda, yadda--but every now and then there will be a zinger that's different from anything you've heard yet. Fact is, everyone's seen charts that work fine with VOC Moons. We all have a "neighborhood play" idea of what it means, but the meaning--like all astrological significance--keep moving around.
I think Jung is operative here: it's all an astrological game and planets are the players and we are the pieces.
hope this helps! -chrissy
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Post by Amoroso on Nov 7, 2005 17:58:04 GMT
Yes, this does make sense, Chrissy. Thanks for stating it, because I cast a horary last week asking "where is my son's college application?" and the ASC was 0, but the rest of the chart looked very promising. (He had lost some important paper work.)
I spent some time trying to figure it out--could've posted it here but at the time my computer and I were not getting along in the posting charts department. And I found the application!!!
I was so proud of myself. And that's what precipitated the great astrology debate that my son started with me. He was incredulous that a chart would show something like this, but it did!
Amoroso
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Post by Kim Falconer on Nov 7, 2005 20:58:29 GMT
Kris, thanks for those comments--very informative and to the point. "spot on" as they say in this country!
Chrissy, it's interesting and I do believe that every chart can be read in that 'it says something' even if that something is, "What's wrong with this picture?" or, "Are you kidding? This is all over now."
I would look to your son's chart to see what he has (cusp wise) at 0 degrees. That would make sense. But like Kris said, it means the question is too soon or 'brand new' and that just could have indicated that you were going to find it...just not yet.
Critical degrees add information to the reading of the chart, always!
Kim
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Post by nige2005 on Nov 7, 2005 23:37:31 GMT
Critical degrees add information to the reading of the chart, always! Kim I have my ASC at 0'32 Virgo does this become more critical? also I have my mercury at 22'21 Leo and is conjunct my sun at 23'09. I have my mars just outside the critical points at 27'19 Libra other than that's all I can find ?? Nige
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Post by Amoroso on Nov 8, 2005 1:55:43 GMT
Hi Nige,
I may be misunderstanding your question, but I think "critical degrees" means something different in Horary than is does in "regular" astrology. In this case, I meant the degrees that some horary astrologers say are "too early" (0-3 degrees ASC) or "too late" (27-29 degrees ASC) to read the chart.
This is different than what you are describing.
Someone set me straight if I am wrong!
Blessings, Amoroso
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Post by jamma on Feb 10, 2006 21:50:42 GMT
Please see Critical Degrees -- the Sequel under General Astrology Board ... J
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