Dreaming and Scheming

[Amoroso]

Dear Kim et all,

There is nothing happening with C, but I fantasized a happy ending--the one that I think would be a creative solution to an impossible situation.

The question is "Will C and I write for publication about our love for each other?" (well, a person can dream, can they not?! )

Here's the chart:

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Remember, if you drag your mouse to the bottom right of the chart, an arrow will appear that enables you to enlarge the chart.

Let me know your thoughts. Still so much to learn about horary.

Blessings,
Amoroso

[Juliet]

Dear Amoroso,

He is Venus and Void of Course. You are Mars, in your own house, and you are retrograde. There is no applying aspect between the significators.

You are Moon too, and there will be no applying Ptolemeic aspect to Venus. So I get a 'no'.
Even it is only at 20 degrees, it is also VOC.
So 'nothing will come of it'.
The last aspect it separated from was an opposition to Mars, to yourself.
I wonder what that wants to convey?
Did you really mean the question? I mean, was it from your heart, and did you ponder it for some time?? You indicate in your post that 'a person can dream', so there apparently is some doubt in you about the nature of the question...

The next applying aspect Mars will make, is a square to Neptune in 11, the house of dreams and wishes. Will it still be there when you use Regiomontanus, the horary house system?
Then it will apply to an opp to Sun, in your 7th. Could that be your husband, I wonder, since it was the last planet Moon was conjunct with?

Blessings, Juliet

[Amoroso]

Dear Juliet,

Thanks so much for your response. I think this question actually has been on my mind for quite some time, and the reason I finally asked it was to help me define myself more--what exactly am I willing to do and not do.

I have decided that I can not do anything that requires keeping a secret, or sneaking about, or hiding anything for a long period of time.

The thing is, for this relationship to now EXPRESS, I would have to do the thing I can not do--which is keep secrets and/or hide. The relationship can not stay as it was--no relationship really can, although we may try sometimes. It makes me rather sad to come to this conclusion, but it is also a relief. Saturn is opposite my natal Chiron/Eros right now.

I keep trying to imagine other ways for it to express, but it may be all a moot point anyway if he is not willing or able to keep the lines of communication open.


Thanks again!
Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Amoroso,

When I look at this chart, I see the Moon was last over the Sun in the 7ths--pondering creative solutions to a relationship! Looking for light and clarity!

I think Juliet is astute in her analysis. His ruler VOC suggests 'he will not take action' and your ruler Rx means there is an impediment to the question or your ability to act as well.

It's not the most encouraging chart as it doesn't support an affirmative answer.

Sometimes --as when a dream is unfinished-- you can do an 'active imagination' session and 'finish' it as you like. This might allow for closure without his participation. Once done, the situation--your experience here--may shift dramatically!

Let us know how you go!

Warmly,
Kim

[Amoroso]

Dear All,

Horary continues to amaze me. I did not realize how stressed I was about this question until Juliet and Kim gave me their insights. I really have no interest in trying to write with C, as this horary shows: My significator, Mars, is retrograde in my first house. I really thought writing together would be a great creative project, a way to use the energy we create when we are together, (yes, Kim, Moon over the Sun in the 7th DOES reflect my searching for some way to make this work should he ever open himself to me again,) but I am not interested in anything that will require sustaining any more secrets.

Natally I have a grand natal trine in the water houses between Neptune, Mars and Venus. I guess I have never realized how this energy works in going about "getting what I want." The energy is subtly graceful and used to getting what it wants in a fluid but backward sort of way. Contrast this to what I have been focused upon in the past year--the grand square of Saturn, Mars, Mercury and Pluto/Jupiter, plus oppositions among those planets, and you can see why I haven't noticed the trine much.

It is hard for me to admit that this is totally out of my hands at this point. No amount of figuring, creating, gracefully moving towards the goal will work here. And if I am not willing to "do" anything in secret, maybe there is no way for us to live this connection.

I AM NOT WILLING TO ADMIT THIS YET!!!!!

Thanks again!
Amoroso

[Amoroso]

Ok, I'm willing to admit that this connection, while remaining vital in so many ways, has no way to express that I can "see."

What an amazing year this has been. I think I have finally let go.

Amoroso

[chrissymgreen]

dear amoroso,

"It is hard for me to admit that this is totally out of my hands at this point. No amount of figuring, creating, gracefully moving towards the goal will work here."

oh goodness, i don't have anything to add about the horary here, because kim & juliet seemed to have covered it all (though i did note you guys do share some reception; mars is in venus' sign and venus is in mars' terms). i can really relate to what you said above, however. i am experiencing some similar feelings! my thoughts are with you.



sincerely,
c

[Amoroso]

Hey Chrissy,

Thanks so much for your post and observations, and know that I really understand where you are right now, too! Although my circumstances are very different, there are some similarities in those feelings and questions...

And another question about this chart that I just noticed--

Is there any significance to the fact that the Moon will sextile his significator before she changes signs? I just noticed this.

Blessings,
Amoroso

[chrissymgreen]

dear amoroso,

okie, moon's in scorp 20°, right? as i see it, his significators are venus (sag 27), sun (scorp 10) and jupiter (scorp 1). you mean the moon will semi-sextile venus (him) before leaving her sign, right? i just read your post, but i can't for life of me remember if you said sextile or semi-sextile. anyways, a semi-sextile is a minor, favorable aspect that does relate to money issues (2nd house)...between significators coupled with reception this is beneficial! i don't see any outstanding reception going on between the moon & venus, though.

i did notice the almuten of the 1st house (you) is the sun (the sun and mars, actually). the almuten of his house is saturn! it is interesting to note the sun, as almuten of the 1st house, is in the 7th. since the sun is his secondary significator as well as a general significator of men, he clearly has some power over you, would you say? (i'm pretty sure you would agree.) then look at saturn, as almuten of his house, right there on the cusp of the 5th. i think this is pretty interesting since you're asking about a joint creative endeavor. perhaps there *is* a part of him that has a desire to do what you've asked about. look at how the ruler of the 5th house is the sun, too. the 5th would represent creative expression. pretty interesting that saturn as the almuten of his house is in leo, the sun's sign. the sun (one of his co-sigs) likes saturn, the part of him that perhaps wants and/or has the ability to do what you have enquired about. i checked out the 9th house for publications too, look at how it's ruled by jupiter, another of his significators.

there is a pretty nice reception going on between mars, your main sig, and the moon, your co-sig. the moon's in mars' sign and mars is in the moon's exaltation. so the moon isn't likely to harm you...she exalts you. this reception is good because it helps save the moon (in fall) & mars (in detriment) from debilitation (to a certain extent).

"A planet that is poorly dignified can escape its sad predicament through mutual reception. The strongest kind of mutual reception (or "m/r") is what two planets are in each other's home signs. For instance, Mars in Cancer and Moon in Scorpio are in mutual reception: each "receives" the other in the sign it rules. This is a potent relationship for two planets to have. According to Jacobson, when a significator is in mutual reception with a planet that is not a significator, it indicates the help of an outside person in getting out of what he got into. "He may obtain his release," Jacobson writes, "escape a penalty, complete a deal, regain his former standing, and 'get back to normal.'"

Mutual reception enables a planet to escape the debility that comes with being peregrine, or in its detriment or fall: The planet is read as though back in its own sign. Some astrologers retain the degree of the original sign (such as Jacobson), others read it as in the degree of the new (i.e., its home) sign. I generally read it in the degree of the new sign. The planets are not actually in their new signs, and so do not receive aspects in them. But if two significators are in square or opposition, but in mutual reception to one another, it shows obstacles that can be overcome through some sort of agreement or compromise. If they planets are in a sextile or trine (or, according to Jacobson, parallel), the desired outcome is quickly reached.

Planets can also be in mutual reception by any of the other dignities, too: exaltation, triplicity, term, and face. They can be mixed, too. Saturn in Libra, and Venus at 29° Scorpio receive each other by sign and term, which can help mitigate Venus' weakness in the sign of its detriment."

by the way, i checked the planetary hour and it is mars, which matches the aries ascendant.

venus, his main significator, does apply to trine the AC, and jupiter, a secondary sig for him, applies to square the AC. planet to cusp aspects are not to be relied on solely to tell the story, but they are important to note, i think.

ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mcmcann/howto.htm

i know i haven't offered a whole lot here. i wish it was more. i know that the most important thing to look at in a horary is the relationship between the primary significators, and all i've talked about is the minutia.


i hope it helps though!


sincerely,
chrissy

[Amoroso]

Chrissy! Good Heavens! How does your mind work? Yes, what is interesting about this chart is that it does show a "no" to the question but has some qualifiers that go with that answer. Perhaps both still open at some level to some kind of creative partnership.

Thanks for taking the time to go into such interesting details!

Blessings,
Amoroso

[jamma]

Dear Amoroso,
I don't have any astrological insights here, but your situation reminds me of something I experienced a long time ago ... I was attracted to a man, and he responded to me, too -- but he was unable to express himself in the romantic/physical realm -- he just wanted to "work" with me ... I couldn't handle that because I desired a lot more from a "collaboration" than he could offer ...
I guess what I'm trying to say is, if C wants you as a partner in love/sex/romance, he might realize he couldn't be satisfied by just working together ... and, even if he agrees just so he's able to be around you, it might be torture for him!
Please forgive me if I sound rude or don't make a lot of sense ... I've read quite a few of your posts, but I'm sure I don't realize all the subtleties of your situation ...
You have my best wishes for all your hopes and dreams,
J