Business question

[primamateria]

Hi Scorpy,

I am no expert at this yet but I do see an applying aspect between the moon and mercury, albeit one of those unusual ones... also isn't this current mars/mercury opposition an indicator of internalised creative flows?? That would suggest to me, along with the fifth house sun/jupiter that you are being challenged to come up with a very creative solution...

now as a former marketing manager (for Australian Business Ltd - active in your area) can i suggest that you contact some professional organisations for some practical help? I have a very good friend who heads up the New South Wales Dept State and Regional Development's Women in Small Businesss Program and I am very happy to pass on her contact details to you, let me know.

Success!
PM

[primamateria]

dear Scorpymoon, glad you have the marketing/admin/finances thing sorted..

.its a shame that other people's delays are costing you so dearly - are you (as querent) locked into these business relationships? the quincunx may be telling you something about that. What about your instincts (6th) regarding the people you are bound to financially (8th) with this?

Saturn opp Neptune on 8th/2nd axis would indicate concrete realisation of dreams/ideas to do with finances and values wouldn't it? Capricorn is tres bon for making money too...

Here's hoping an horary genius comes to the rescue - I am out of my depth!

Joy! Primamateria

ps I thought Foster was in NSW on the coast? I must be thinking of some other town.. hmm

[Amoroso]

Dear SM,

Here's another take on things--

In Louis' book on page 143 he states:

"As the 2nd of the 10th, the 11th house shows profit from the querant's career or business."

I think Mars is accurate--it is in Taurus, the money sign, in 12th, still a dream and illusive right now. Mercury is in the 6th--in traditional horary showing distress or affliction, and in the Via Combust. I really think all that means is that it is an accurate description of your current state. So what that does is perhaps confirm the use of the 11th house ruler and you as Gemini as accurate.

That would lead back to the Mars-Mercury opposition. In traditional horary that opposition means separation, which in my experience means a literal separation, even though they are related. Right now you and your profit are separated, and will remain so for a little time to come.

I don't think the Moon is your profit. It is you, in your first house, quincunx your own sign. Gemini is quick, articulate, smart. The quincunx perhaps means you have an adjustment to make to get in tune with yourself before this starts to roll forward. The trine to Neptune in the 8th reflects your dream of, as Anthony Louis describes the 8th "Money owed to the querant." I think your good news is in that opposition to Saturn in the second. Saturn causes delays, frustrations, but is unquestionably bound not only to your own resources (in second) but to other's resources in the 8th.

I don't think you can read the immediate benefits of Saturn in horary, other than Time is often on our side. Delays aren't necessarily bad things.

That's my take on it! I hope Kim or someone more experienced can jump in.

I'm still reeling from your post under Eclipses and will respond to that later.

Blessings,
Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

I'll get back to this tonight, I hope---out of time now.

Great question!

Kim

[Kim Falconer]

Hi ScorpyMoon!

Is this a joint business venture or YOUR business? If there are business partners, then we would look to the 8th house as the finances gained by a partnership.

If it is your business, we look to the 10th house. I'm just going to do this chart again--I'm not easy with using equal house system for horary--

I'll be right back!!

Kim

[Kim Falconer]

The other question is, is this an investment into a business, or YOUR business?

I am going to give a run down on "Will the business I am working on be unprofitable and result in financial losses for me?"--taking the "business" to be yours and your 10th house.

The placidus cusps that I am using are 18 Cancer 48 = 2nd house, 27 Leo 26 = 3rd house, 3 Libra 16 for the IC/4th house cusp, 1 Scorpio 52 = 5th house and 24 Scorpio 44 = 6th house. The angles are the same as the chart above and the other houses, of course, are exact opposite to the ones I've just given.

You could use the equal house system but you will miss out on aspects to cusps, which I think are important, especially in a question like this--and key rulerships change.

Okay, so you are the Ascendant ruler (Mercury), YOUR money is the 2nd house (Moon) Your business is the 10th house (Mars) Money from your business is the 11th (2nd from the 10th) (Venus) and any partners involved are the 7th (Jupiter) and their money 8th (Saturn).

If there are others involved they aren't too slick--Jupiter is at the end of its rope at 29 degrees--about to make a substantial change and Saturn opposite Neptune says to me that you are the one who is going to make "their money work" and they are a bit vague, confused, lackadaisical etc about the whole thing.

The business itself has a lot of energy with Aries--a big push--the North node in the 10th is a real blessing and although Mars isn't at it's most potent in Taurus, it's steady and tenacious--it hangs in there for the long hall.

Money from the business looks positive with Venus ruling. At first glance, she's in her FALL in Scorpio and that would be a concern EXCEPT that she is in mutual reception to JUPITER! And what is the final aspect of the Moon? A trine to Jupiter. And what is the final depositor of Fortuna? The Venus Jupiter mutual reception. I think you have a fair chance of success.

I'm optimistic though the fact that you posed the question in the negative (not--will the business be a financial success?) I can see you are worried---fair enough!

Moon last over Saturn tells me you've had a hard time and it feels like you are 'carrying' others in this--the fact that the 'others' are about to bale needs to be considered. Is this what you want? What will you be left with?

Because Mercury, (YOU) translates the lights for the business (Mars) and its financial status (Venus) and it all comes together -- finally -- with the trine to Jupiter, I feel that your business will be profitable and represent a financial gain IF--- IF--- you are willing to hang in there for the long hall, carry others that are involved or take over completely and handle a LOT of emotion and possible anxiety ( the moon is out of bounds and as your co-ruler and financial indicator in general--we are looking at a lot of mood swing!)

Obviously, if you pull out now, you just have to wear the loss. . . but I don't think you will. I get the feeling that you will fluctuate a lot (Moon/Ascendant) regarding your feelings towards this project but you'll hang in a make it work.

How does this sit?

Any other comments? Questions?

Let me know!

Kim

[Kim Falconer]

Oh, ScorpyMoon-- I didn't see your post before I finished mine...Thanks for putting up the placidus house system chart--so others can see.

You can use any house system but again, I really like seeing the relationship to the cusps--for example--your ruler Mercury is trine the 2nd house cusp--another positive indication of you attracting financial reward.

Kim

[Kim Falconer]

Also, minor aspects such as the 30 degree and 150 degree inconjuncts are not really considered in horary except to confirm what is already stated by the major aspects. Always look of parallels--declinations count!

Kim

[Kim Falconer]

Thunder coming--must get off line! Jupiter rules the 7th and the trine from Moon bodes well for the business--because it is in the 29th degree, there is a restlessness there--and 'about to change' feel. It could be an expansion. Check their history. Check who else they supply.

I feel optimistic about that final Trine!~

[Kris]

Dear ScorpyMoon,

I wanted to respond to this interesting query but could not do so for I faced a problem drawing the chart using my own (I developed) software. I usually compare the position of angles and Moon showed by my software with that of chart posted at the forum. This time the luminories and the asteroids matched exactly but the angles widely differed, even changed the sign. I find AC at 20CAN8 with Moon in 12th. I checked and rechecked and failed to locate the bug, if any. I don't expect Astrodient wrong.

Your growing concern for finances reflected at other threads too, Ex: Jupiter into Scorpio. So I just looked into the chart I drew and found something signficant there.

(1) AC lord Moon in 12th opposing Pluto in 6th suggest a lost mind, very intense and don't know(12) how to rebuild (pluto) the issue. (2) 2nd house is vacant and it's lord Sun at a late degree in Libra in 4th indicate it is too late to react / contact people. (3) Retrograde 10th lord Mars represent a lost cause and it's leaving square to neptune in 8th suggest dreaming of 'once upon a time' finance management involving others. (4) Saturn lord of 8th exactly conjunct 2nd cusp (few seconds of applying orb).

It is strange that the chart reflected the situation extremely well (strange because the ACs differ widely).

ABOVE ALL,
I perceive something good. Retrograde Uranus - the 8th lord - indicates the finances of the people you have been contacting are wildly fluctuating and they are equally confused with 6th (from 7th) Moon oppossing 12th Pluto. Can they help ? Forget and remove the old age people (7th lord Sat) from your list. Venus the lord of 11th is in 5th making a leaving semi-square to Jupiter the co-ruler of 2nd house. Venus also makes an exact sextile to Neptune in 8th. So change your strategy by removing old men from your list and take in women (possibly younger one) into confidence and also for advise. Jupiter suggest the women would really be wise to address your problems.

I write the above suggession in spite of all the negativity because, the main significators (indicating you) Moon, Pluto and Sun in airy and fiery signs suggest toooooooo much of mind rather than 'material' in setting the path. Anyway, don't put any more money into the venture. Just change your strategy.

I wish you excel in life with your finances bouncing back to your happiness shortly.

I love to see your natal chart if you are interested.

Kris

PS: Why should it that I got a different chart only this time and never earlier. Why did it that I wanted to read the chart the moment I read the post of SM but hold back for such a long time. Shall I take this mismatch(between the charts) and the confusion thereby as a unfit situation to read both the charts ?

I wish and hopeso such that the hardness eases for our beloved friend ScorpyMoon.

Cheers....

[Kris]

Venus sextile Neptune give TRUE perception and not the kind of FALSE illusion the hard aspects pose. Neptune conjunctions and sextiles reveal the situation to the root very well and the revelations come true most of the times.

Kris

[Kim Falconer]

Yes, ScorpyMoon, the 29th degree in a horary chart can mean 'someone at the end of their rope'! That's straight from Ivy Goldstien Jacobson, a brilliant astrologer from mid-last century.

I feel more confident now too. Keep us posted!

Kim

[Kris]

Namaste ScorpyMoon,

Nice to hear that you sortout few things with the wholesaler.

Well, Jupiter crossed the final degree of Libra entering Sco on 27th Oct. You tookon the wholesaler much later (31st) and I find Sun in Sco opposing Mars in Tau. Sun exactly semi-square Pluto in Sag at the same time. That's very intense combination. Semi-squares are known to conclude the issues very close to reach the culmination point; in your case it ran out your patience and quiteness and exploded (the signature of pluto sun mars combination, very intense) to take the wholesaler headon. You managed it very well.

Well, I started developing my own software at a time when no internet or readymade software with advance features were available. I was learning Turbo Pascal then and wanted to test my skills by programming something serious and useful on a daily basis. I add modules to the basic software from time to time. I can quickly analyse the things using the built-in advanced diagnostics tools. Since I am using it for a long time I am more comfortable with it compared to other softwares.

Did you talk to your mother ?

Kris

[Kris]

Hi ScorpyMoon,

Your business concern helped me fixing the bug in my software that is active only for southern hemispheric charts. So far I worked with charts drawn for northern hemispheric latitudes only. That is why I never had any mismatch earlier.

Thanks for mailing birth details. I shall mail you my observations in a few days.

regards
Kris

[Kris]

Hi ScorpyMoon,

My observations upon reading your natal chart have been mailed to you. Hope the explanation helps you.

regards
Kris