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Post by primamateria on Sept 24, 2005 3:32:10 GMT
Hi Kim and Astro Friends, I tried to ask a whole heap of questions regarding my relationship life, including the Scorpio Childhood Sweetheart issue, but all the charts were in very early or very late degrees. I have taken on board that you can't ask the same question twice, so it seems horary will give me no answers relating to my current dillema. I must admit to have been very emotional and scattered for the past few days, and a bit 'over' the whole topic. so when I asked 'will I have a new lover soon?" I was surprised to finally get a readable chart. Its good practice for me, so I'll give it the rundown. here it is: please bear with me, I have to write all of this down so that I can get is straight in my mind (if that is possible in this bendy, tricky mercurial mind of mine ) the querent is first house ruler, Venus, conjunct 7th cusp. Venus in scorpio is intense - what does she want from a partner that doesn't include some dark eros? I think I am losing the plot. the quesited is, I take it the fifth house ruler? In which case is Mercury, in the 5th, making a mad dash from the sun, and an applying sextile to Saturn in the third: drawing a blank on this as I have been attempting to befriend Saturn lately, I'm in two minds. Saturn/Mercury even in harmonious aspect must surely bring delay. If the quesited/significator is in the house of the quesited does that indicate 'already there'?? The 7th co-ruler, Mars is in the first, making an applying opposition to venus - exact around October 1st when Mars stations direct, I think. I will read this as strong attraction towards someone - perhaps just that the desire is there and will move towards an event? I guess that alone takes care of the 'soon' bit of the question. Mars in taurus is probably the culprit in my recent dissatisfaction too. Moon is in first, having last visited with Mars and heading for Juno. This has the feel of being 'seeded' with creative energy and directing this towards a dedicated relationship (Juno always worries me as she put up with such nonsense from her man!) Not sure if I am to read the lunar app trine to neptune in ninth, but would seem the urge to merge and the dream of a traditional 'rite' is on the increase. The ninth always reminds me of the Hierophant, so I should be listening to my inner teacher/mentor right now. The sun in the fifth at that particular point (my natal uranus, trine my natal mercury both exact) is probably meaningful, and is making an applying although minor aspect to Venus. Hey, its the beginning of spring here, love is in the air. Anything is possible, I guess, and I should expect the unexpected. Peace, PM
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Post by blueorchids on Sept 24, 2005 15:26:34 GMT
Okay, I will open the discussion. Bear with me Prima! I am simply learning more each day myself but I am confused by the analysis.
This sounds very basic and unglamourous but since you took five and are then ruled by Venus and Moon what's the link with Mercury?. The Moon seems to be separating quickly from a trine with Mercury. And the Mercury makes no application to the Scorpio Venus.
Venus in Scorpio I believe is in detriment? Sometimes it reflects a tendency toward passionate dead end attractions. Venus there is less about beauty and violins playing and more about possesion, compulsion, passion and jealousy. Raw and intense. Moon in House I and Gemini might be overreaching other persons' boundaries. Mars conjunct moon previously implies a pronunced action you took recently that has led to the question, concern or speculation...
Maybe the answer is No (not no as in forever but no not Soon)?
Someone else please come along wth your expertise and chime in! And forgive my rudimentary look. Obviously if one looks at the path of the moon, the Gem moon will oppose Sag pluto then end on a trine with Libra Jupiter (much down the road but....first things first)
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Post by Juliet on Sept 24, 2005 16:50:23 GMT
Look at the telling mistake in het chart (due to Astrodienst). Eros is at the AP, while it is in Sag right now...
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Post by blueorchids on Sept 24, 2005 17:22:33 GMT
Hey Juliet and Prima...
Note that the Venus is at the exact degree as the North Node 13. Hmmm. Don't some horary readers interpret that as crashing fate of some sort. So Venus in detriment, in Scorpio and at a node degree?
I'm a babe in the woods, but I swear the more I look at that chart the more I keep thinking--chill out. Breathe. That over the top thing is resonating with me. (I should add I can relate...)
Juliet---funny you picked that up. They made that same error on one of my charts Saturday!
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Post by Kim Falconer on Sept 24, 2005 22:04:08 GMT
Yes, Juliet, good call on the Eros error. I wonder what's going on there?’
Prima, I'll get back tonight, if I have time, and talk about this question, but you're right--you cant ask a whole heap of questions regarding your relationship life and hope to get much insight from horary.
Horary isn't a dial-up response.
It can only reflect a situation if you
a) feel a burning (potent) question being born in you and b) ask the RIGHT one.
More soon, Kim
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Post by primamateria on Sept 24, 2005 23:19:02 GMT
dear Blueorchids and all, thanks for your input, first of all. you asked about mercury and the link is that virgo is on the fifth cusp, is all. Yes, Merc makes no aspect so it would seem that a fifth house type lover is not indicated. But I have no idea whether the fifth was the correct quesited in this case. OK. I should have a little Learner plate on my posts so that everyone can see that I'm still at the beginning with all this! about Eros, yes Astrodienst has been having tech difficulties (upgrading), so eros (among other asteroids) has been 0 Aries and thereabouts. The true degree of Eros is indicated close to the 8th house cusp at 10 degrees Sag. Venus and Mars, neither like where they are at the moment. With a first/7th opposition I think of projection too. Lastly, about everyones' lovely well meant advice to chill, breath, stop being so over the top . I'm OK. I breathe and meditate. I must admit that this week has been a painful challenge for my heart, but I think sometimes you just have to go all the way to the end of it (the pain? the situation?), feel worse before you can be released. So thanks, again. Peace, PM
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Post by blueorchids on Sept 24, 2005 23:56:31 GMT
PM,
Good luck with it and I hope I didn't hurt your feelings. Sorry. I'm a newbie and an idiot, albeit a very well meaning one. LOL. Well hopefully we'll hear from Sven. et al later.
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Post by primamateria on Sept 25, 2005 1:58:03 GMT
Blueorchids, Hey! Its all good, you've been very helpful, as has everyone here. And you are not an idiot either, and I apologise if I gave you any impression that I think you are one . I'm looking forward to input from Svenskafinx and Amoroso and Kim too - isn't it great to have such patient and willing teachers?! I love it here! PrimaMateria
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Post by Juliet on Sept 25, 2005 21:51:42 GMT
Hi Prima, I agree with you that sometimes one has to go over the top to reach release. Been there too! Many times! I'd construed a long post about your horary, but pushed the wrong button and gone it was... I'd choose the 7th house ruler for your lover. No matter how 'affair-y' or unconventional your relationship might be, he will still be a meaningful other. So you have that applying opposition from Venus to Mars, (interestingly sooner than expected, cause Mars will retrograde next Saturday) A definite YES. Mars and Venus are in mutual reception by sign. Also, You have gone over to him, and he has come over to you, you're in each others 7th houses. Heaps of mutual attraction! Both your positions are weakened now: both Venus and Mars are in detriment. I use Janus now for scoring, and Venus gets 12 p and Mars none at all, so it seems you are 'stronger', whatever that may mean. Moon is in Regiomontanus 2. Assets, finances, possessions. Gem on the cusp. Don't know how to interprete that, I do not understand the 2nd in relationship charts, but can imagine it has something to do (sorry about being so mega vague) about the dire straits you mentioned you were in financially. Timing: Mutable Moon in Succedent house: months. Moon was last over Mars, so it might be conflict was at the root of your question. Kim made a remark about this earlier, because lots of the horaries here had the Moon last over Mars. Moon represents you and the events the matter asked about will go through. It will first trine Neptune on the MC, then Opp Pluto in 8, and last will trine Jupiter in 6 (house of work again!, Remember that earlier chart...) Good feelings, success, but a hard and transformative way (sex matters involved, or fiancial burdens of the partner) of getting there. I will explain (my very personal) opinion on the use of asteroids. Since I'm just learning to do basic horary, I find it makes learning easier when I do not include them (for now) , or just take notice of where they are. Traditional horary charts tell such rich stories already , and I compare it to learning to use colour in painting. I can start out using all the ready made colours that are available, or I can use just the three primary colours and white and make all the colours I need. I realize it's all a matter of opinion though. You yourself must have noticed the opp the Moon makes now with Antares the Benificial and transiting Eros. Mars in Tau and in 1 could depict someone who is dark, has a broad forehead, large mouth and strong neck and shoulders. Since Mars is your lovers ruler here, I would think these characteristics belong to him and not to you. Venus will apply to a trine with Neptune, that is conjunct the MC, what you project in the outer world, your (emotional) ambition maybe. Do you project 'dreamy' now?? Confusion of course is another face of Neptune. That square from you to Neptune might account for a feeling that you've found your soulmate, whatever that may be, idealized love. It will make you feel uncomfortable though, lead to growth again, as squares CAN do, growth potential. I' m not a hundred percent sure, but I believe Neptune collects the light between Venus and Mars also, they both aspect her by square. Could your lover be an active escapist, through alcohol/drugs? Dangerous maybe, to state it like this. Lastly I have a question to Kim: Kim, what is your take on frustration, refranation and such?? We do not usually discuss them here. Hope this helped, Blessings, Juliet
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Post by primamateria on Sept 25, 2005 22:06:26 GMT
Hi Juliet, Have just quickly read your post and printed it out to take with me while I do the school drop off's etc... will read it over a vanilla latte! blessings to you too, P
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Post by svenskasfinx on Sept 25, 2005 22:29:19 GMT
I think I'm going to simplify things... As I see the time for "lover" although in effect has passed.. it is the time for "partner" with Venus in mutual reception with Mars.. (Venus the ASC ruler). With Mars also in the first house and the tradtional (or co ruler) of Scorpio on the DSC.. it is this that says to me something about a "partnership". Funny that really.. because when you asked about a partner previously you got answers concerning "a lover" and with this one.. you ask about a lover, and notice we find ourselves seeing this "lover's condition" as a partnership. I think the clincher is that the Moon (your co ruler) will be making a trine to Neptune (the ruler of the 11th house standing firmly before the MC in the 9th... (publicly, binding and legal?) Venus will make the Square to Neptune before it makes its opposition to Mars..so it seems that it plays out with something related to religion or law.. and that there may be alot of energy needed, but alot of energy expressed to make things "work out"... With Venus being the (stronger) as Juilet said.. I am under the suspicion that its all something within YOUR control. I was wondering does your, (if you have one) lover live in the home with you or does he live close by.. thinking about the IC ruler being the Sun, and it being in the 5th house... also lastly in my quick look, commentary.. I note that Moon is at that point in opposition with Eros.. perhaps I look at the seconds woudn't be a bad idea to confirm this is the here and now (and the future), and not just the recent past. If it is applying (I'd give it that) I see that there is a need for trying to hold on to the "passionate one" who may not seemingly be ready for commitment.. (Eros energy is passion and transformantion.. and like holding on to a lightening bolt.. its something that doesn't take well to captivity)...You may see that.. or you may have just come to terms with "him" that you want more from him..(maybe you tossed him out? or are at odds with him?) in the end, the moon will make its last aspect to Jupiter.. perhaps meaning its not all at a loss.. and that you will go wider.. and this is in spite of the opposition to happen between the moon and Pluto (the 7th house co ruler). I'll try to continue this later.. its time for sleeping take care, svenskasfinx
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Post by primamateria on Sept 26, 2005 1:23:07 GMT
wow..Juliet, Svenskasfinx, this is all as if something has sliced open my psyche and laid out all the pieces for forensic examination - exactly right on so many levels.
thanks for confirming that the answer is YES!
So much to think about now...
Joy! PM
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Post by primamateria on Sept 26, 2005 3:19:33 GMT
ps. I checked an ephemeris for that applying opposition between Venus and Mars and it appears as though Mars will be stationed for about 4 hours before Venus catches up to the exact/perfect opposite position. Does anyone know if there is a rule that applies to this?
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