"Will we endure?"...

[svenskasfinx]

I was making an attempt at horary when I got home from Manchester that week, seeing that things were better but not always in perfect timing:

My question: Will we endure; Will love be strong enough so we can endure?




Was the Moon Void of Course here...? Was the question even able to be answered because of it?

I'm asking because I can't see a thing.. and maybe someone else can suss it out for me.

Thanks ahead of time,

svenskasfinx

[blueorchids]

Hey S.

Wow. Weird. The Moon did not make any conjunctions in Sag but I thought you could read the chart regardless --as it's not Void now. It's at zero, right?

But before all that aren't you Moon Doubled...ASC is Cancer and you are also the Moon at Zero Cap. He is H7 Saturn--3 Leo.

I know the last Moon conjunction says something about the nature of the last major action...but I don't think it makes the chart unreadable if it show no conjunction in the previous house (Sag).??

Caveat of course is that I am a novice and a bit of an idiot on horary.... LOL... I am hoping someone more of your caliber comes to respond soon.

[Juliet]

The things I notice, Svenska:
He is in your house and you're approaching him. Moon has just entered Saturns sign, there's reception there, a certain mutual willingness.
The Moon will oppose Saturn out of Sign before it leaves Capricorn. The orbs in horary are wide, and especially for the Moon.
Saturn is strong, it's in its own term and face, although it's in detriment in Leo too. I've yet get to grasp these horary details. Moon is in detriment in Cap too, so there is something weak or 'off' about both of you.
Moon will first sextile Uranus in 9. How does Johan feel about your traveling? Does it bother him and is it a reason for arguments?

Then it will trine Mars, which is in a stable and homey sign: Taurus. . I suddenly wonder if we could consider Venus and Mars co-significators in this case?
The last conjunction Moon made was with Pluto: some inner death, transformation, shock that lead you to ask this question?
The last horary aspect the Moon will make is a square to Jupiter in the 4th house, the Cancer house= you.
Since you are in 6=work and health, and in Cap, such an ambitious sign, I wonder if there might be developments in your work, in what you do to make a living. I know this has been an issue for you, and an issue between you.

I hope this helps...
Love, Juliet

[Amoroso]

Dear Sven:

In addition to Juliet's observations, here are some others I noticed. Remember--I am still a novice!

Even though Saturn is in your first house, all things Saturn take an agonizing amount of Time. Whatever this horary shows, its going to take time. Also, Moon last over Pluto shows considerable stress in the day-to-day routines, living arrangements, etc. And Jupiter/Pallas in the 4th in the same degree as the south node shows some magnified stress in the home.

However, there appear to be some favorable signs should you desire love to endure. The sun is in its own sign of Leo in the house of communications, and there is an approaching trine of Juno to Chiron in the 7th. Also, Venus is in the 4th house sextile the Fortunae in 5th.

We'll have to see what Kim or someone more experienced has to say.

Hope this helps.

Blessings,
Amoroso

[svenskasfinx]

Blueorchids, Juliet and Amoroso!

Thank you so much for the time and feed back you've given me.. I was just thinking about everything at first about the Last aspect being Pluto but the Moon seemingly VOC.. but with a wide orb, and the next aspect being Sextile Uranus..that sounds interesting, Cardnal sign,

Juliet, to answer your question, (and I don't want to forget anything here) It wasn't the travel that caused us the dispute, in fact I really thought that me leaving for a few days for the first time, did US some good.. (but I really have to consider our son.. and he seemed just fine with time alone with his pappa

Moon in the 6th (reminding me of My own chart Virgo Moon) and yes Saturn in the first. He's in my place, I'm in his sign.. I guess. I looked up the matter of timing, to know or understand how it will go, and it seems Saturn although in a fixed sign is in an angular house, so it will be down to Months.. and also my Progress, also, with the Moon being in a Cardal sign but Cadent house.. that also Equals it seems knowing the answer in a matter of Months...

NOW, what I looked at because of Amoroso was the fact that Chiron and Venus (venus moves much faster than Chiron) in a trined aspect, from Virgo (detrement of Venus) in the 4th.. at 28 odd degrees, less than one degree away from aspect exactly.. considering the approtching aspect. Then Venus will make an aspect from Libra to Juno..but maybe that is too far ahead.. I don't know.

I thought basicly we look to see the outcome by the planets that first aspect each other and that will determine the time line, so I thought.. I like the idea that there is so much more to it, but I too am a novice..

I will place my bets that Venus will aspect Chrion exactly in a trine before the Moon gets to Uranus, then again maybe not.. its a Moon/Uranus first aspect..but I see that Chiron is in the 7th house. Wounds to be healed? Trusts to be regained? Venus the 5th house ruler in the 4th house in detrement (debilitated in some way) is making that aspect anyway...working hard, in 4th house matters, but not in its best light..

part of fortune was brought up again.. because of that degree.. its in aspect, but sadly, is too far ahead to do any good... I will give Juno to the Antivertex though... that MUST mean something!

None the less.. thank you for all of your thoughts..

Take care,

svenskasfinx

[svenskasfinx]

juliet said:

The things I notice, Svenska:
He is in your house and you're approaching him. Moon has just entered Saturns sign, there's reception there, a certain mutual willingness.
The Moon will oppose Saturn out of Sign before it leaves Capricorn. The orbs in horary are wide, and especially for the Moon.
Saturn is strong, it's in its own term and face, although it's in detriment in Leo too. I've yet get to grasp these horary details. Moon is in detriment in Cap too, so there is something weak or 'off' about both of you.
Moon will first sextile Uranus in 9. How does Johan feel about your traveling? Does it bother him and is it a reason for arguments?

Then it will trine Mars, which is in a stable and homey sign: Taurus. . I suddenly wonder if we could consider Venus and Mars co-significators in this case?
The last conjunction Moon made was with Pluto: some inner death, transformation, shock that lead you to ask this question?
The last horary aspect the Moon will make is a square to Jupiter in the 4th house, the Cancer house= you.
Since you are in 6=work and health, and in Cap, such an ambitious sign, I wonder if there might be developments in your work, in what you do to make a living. I know this has been an issue for you, and an issue between you.

I hope this helps...
Love, Juliet

Juliet,

I notice that there were many planets in "weakened" signs.. for example as I noticed, Venus in Virgo.
Then Mars in Taurus, and finally like you said, Moon in Capricorn.... and these are in fact THE major players in this chart.. everyone is not in their best element...

(reflecting back to Our own Natal horoscopes He does have Mars in Taurus and I do have Mars in Cancer both are considered "The FALL" of Mars.) Interesting syncroncity there.

thanks again,

svenskasfinx

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Svenskasfinx,

Sorry I haven't gotten to this sooner--I'm flat out and still no baby!!!--and I don't have time to comment on every post (all valuable) and configuration...

I will say that you have to consider the question--will we endure?

That's like asking, will we live?

I do know what you mean, but horary is very literal and requires the RIGHT question. Noting on earth endures IN THE SAME FORM and so the question gets confused with things like--How long will we endure? etc etc.

Horary responds much better to questions such as "What will happen in my relationship with J?"

But, the question has been ask and obviously MUCH will happen!

The moon is Void of course when it makes no approaching aspects before changing signs. If the Moon was 28 Sag 41, it would be past the square to Venus. (I'm not looking at Chiron at this point). So any degree past 28 40 is Void. Can you see this?

Because the moon is 0 Cap it makes EVERY possible aspect in the chart! It's the opposite of void--which in this case is actually less comforting. Remember, a void of course moon makes no aspects so NOTHING happens...we say "There is NOTHING to worry about." or "You will stop worrying and let it go..."

The moon makes every possible aspect and you can see how things will go based on the moon's journey (from the inconjunct to Saturn/ME to the trine to Uranus, the square to the Nodes etc etc).

The final aspect of the moon is Venus (ruler of the 5th--your son) and that says to me, as far as he's concerned, you will endure. No mater what befalls your relationship, you two will be there for him.

I don't look at the horary back to natals except to validate its readability.

I would also avoid (at this point) filling in the horary with asteroids. Just the majors, the Fortuna and at times one or two select asteroids. In this case, I'd pick Juno and Ceres. That's it.

I would also plot the Part of Marriage--That's the Asc plus the Dsc minus Venus. hmmmmm
I get Part of Marriage @ 16 Scorpio 42 in the 5th conjunct Ceres and sextile the Moon.

I'll look more if I have time!!!

Warmly,
Kim

[svenskasfinx]

admin said:

Hi Svenskasfinx,

Sorry I haven't gotten to this sooner--I'm flat out and still no baby!!!--and I don't have time to comment on every post (all valuable) and configuration...

I will say that you have to consider the question--will we endure?

That's like asking, will we live?

I do know what you mean, but horary is very literal and requires the RIGHT question. Noting on earth endures IN THE SAME FORM and so the question gets confused with things like--How long will we endure? etc etc.

Horary responds much better to questions such as "What will happen in my relationship with J?"

But, the question has been ask and obviously MUCH will happen!

The moon is Void of course when it makes no approaching aspects before changing signs. If the Moon was 28 Sag 41, it would be past the square to Venus. (I'm not looking at Chiron at this point). So any degree past 28 40 is Void. Can you see this?

Because the moon is 0 Cap it makes EVERY possible aspect in the chart! It's the opposite of void--which in this case is actually less comforting. Remember, a void of course moon makes no aspects so NOTHING happens...we say "There is NOTHING to worry about." or "You will stop worrying and let it go..."

The moon makes every possible aspect and you can see how things will go based on the moon's journey (from the inconjunct to Saturn/ME to the trine to Uranus, the square to the Nodes etc etc).

The final aspect of the moon is Venus (ruler of the 5th--your son) and that says to me, as far as he's concerned, you will endure. No mater what befalls your relationship, you two will be there for him.

I don't look at the horary back to natals except to validate its readability.

I would also avoid (at this point) filling in the horary with asteroids. Just the majors, the Fortuna and at times one or two select asteroids. In this case, I'd pick Juno and Ceres. That's it.

I would also plot the Part of Marriage--That's the Asc plus the Dsc minus Venus. hmmmmm
I get Part of Marriage @ 16 Scorpio 42 in the 5th conjunct Ceres and sextile the Moon.

I'll look more if I have time!!!

Warmly,
Kim

Hej Kim!

I understand, I think my question was more about, "are we going to break up or endure?" but it goes along the same lines as your question..

yes, "am I going to live?" (for how long?)

and the void of course thinking it had something to do with the question (being the "last aspect" before the question) But seeing that it was actually Venus squared Moon being the last aspect.. I can see where it would point out my sensitivity in this matter...

That Part Of Fortune in the 5th.. (Venus the 5th house ruler) Ceres conjuct Part of Marriage) (how soon until an exact conjuction?) 5th house, fixed sign.. I'm not holding my breath, but the Moon moves into place in 16 degrees in a cardnal sign but in the 6th house..

Idea though, What about which one is the first aspect to be made? IS it the Saturn Inconjunct Moon then? (3 degrees?) (that should happen rather quickly then in the time line) You KNOW what they say about quincux in horory then...(and if that is the first aspect to take place.. I get the feeling its neither here nor there.. its about agreeing to disagree...and alot of tension about it.)

(notice I talk in parenthisis alot?)

Thank you for the time you've taken to not only look at the chart but to TEACH me more

Take care and be well...

svenskasfinx

P.S. blessings to your son and his new baby hopefully coming very soon .