Venus retrograde in Aquarius on the 24th

[svenskasfinx]

I didn't see it coming!

I wasn't even thinking about it.. but Venus will be going retrograde on the 24th of Dec 2005 until February 3, 2006 and then supposedly goes into stationary motion and remains stationary until March 7th 2006..

its interesting to note that Eros will be conjunct Venus as well some time around this retrograde..

it's interesting I suppose.

svenskasfinx

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Svenskasfinx,

Yes! I have a little rave about the Eros-Venus conjunction on the "Eros into Aquarius" page, and the times of Venus Rx.

She has been going very slow over 1 degree of Aquarius since the 20th and will turn retrograde tomorrow. There she moves backward to 16 Capricorn--and is 16 Cap Rx from January 28th until February 3rd, then she is 16 Cap direct until picks up speed, slowly, on the 10th of Feb. 17 Cap until the 13th, 18 Cap until the 15th and so on until the 3rd of March where she moves again at about 1 degree a day and enters Aquarius!

Everyone with planets or point particularly in these degrees of Capricorn-Cancer, or simply Cardinal signs, may notice her presence.

Lets use this thread to comment on events, inner or outer, during this time. With my N. Node at 17 Capricorn and my Vertex at 18, I'll be watching!

Thanks for bringing this to attention.

Kim

[Juliet]

Dear forum,
Venus retro... and outer events. Mars retro preceding it, a period I very consciously 'devoted' to my growth. But that's more written in hindsight. It was quite lonely and necessary.
Venus in the first degrees of Aq saw me meeting a potential love interest, kissing and all that, (not too much, I'm very serious about sex with my 8th house stellium) but became a 'normal' friend soon. I learnt a lot through this contact.
In March 1974, also after a retro period, I met my first serious love with Venus in these same degrees, must be my Mars, Merc, Eros, Psyche, Lust, Sappho and Jup in Draconic Aq.
Well, the last six weeks have been revisiting the past and rehashing things, with this last week prime time!

Saturday I saw Matchpoint with a friend and we ended up talking men and our fathers for hours.
Sunday I helped my oldest friend paint her new house boat. We were both born on sept 3rd, 1957, 50 meters removed from each other. Our dads were both May 2nd Tauruses, our moms are friends, our parents divorced in the same year (1967), we both became textwiters initially, we both married very successful and wealthy journalists, and even our dogs eloped one dog-sexy night, and no dog whistle could bring them back... Her dog was named after her Indonesian granddad and ours after my Chinese dad, we were both (at that time) very rare ethnic minority kids. We are not alike, not real good friends, more family, only our biographies are similar.
Monday I met another friend, on her sudden initiative. She called me to invite me for lunch. Her boyfriend (and my best male friend) committed suicide two years ago. During lunch, her dad called to tell her that her dearest aunt had had a stroke, and had to be moved to hospital. My friend was very upset, all memories suddenly back to haunt her. I staid with her, held her hand and we read her bf's diary from before his death, and laughed and cried. A very healing experience for us both. Her aunt is doing much better and will probably fully recover.
Tuesday an old lover called, and we talked for two hours. I'd sent him a card when I heard he had some heart problems. I broke off with my later abusive husband for him, for a while, in 1980. We talked history and his illness, and he asked me for a date; 'or are you scared?' I liked that question, made me feel safe, and will meet with him coming Tuesday. He's doing massive amounts of physical and emotional counseling now!
Thursday I ate out with my little brother, and heard more of the truth about my dad. No wonder I chose my ex. My brother hurts, and is starting counseling this week. He told me I have always been his dad, his example, his structure, and that I'd stood up for him so many times. I did not remember, not at all! I even once sent my dad away angry from our home when I was 12, because he was unreasonable to my brother. I do not recall, it's a total blank. The only thing I remember of that event is my dad walking away crying, and the mixed feelings of anger, jubilance/power and pity I felt. A feeling that has come back many times with my 3 men.
Today I sent my last lover a goodbye poem. I'd kept it for three weeks on my desktop and now was the right moment. My impulsiveness seems so much better these days. I do understand much more about where I came from, and why I've always identified so strongly with males, but could not bond healthily, very detached emotionally, or too involved. Moon inconjunct Uranus in 7.
I meditated a lot the last month, and felt a lot of strength and trust in how things evolve.

Pffff, I feel tired, but good and relaxed. Home.
A few nights ago I dreamt I was laying a new expensive sturdy, very special concrete floor in a wonderful big house. With another friend. My friends have even gotten more important to me these last few months (Sat in 11) , and I never hesitate anymore to call in their help, just as I offer mine more freely.

Lots of love to everyone, and I hope others have had wonderful healing experiences with this Venus event. Of course something was to be expected, cause I have natal Mars at 16 Virgo and Venus at 17 Libra, and Jupiter at Mc/NN 13 and 16 deg Sco helped too, I guess. As Venus in 1 Sesquiquare to Pluto in 7/8 does.

Juliet
still in search for a new job and more money... still too optimistic maybe, but never mind for now...

[Juliet]

And Mars has been hovering around my IC at 16 Tau and my dads Sun at 11 Tau all this time too... Maybe he's helping me out a bit...

[Juliet]

Hi Jade,

I'm glad you liked it. I just had to share, participated not al that often in the last few months...
You are a Cap Moon too!
Chiron on one's Moon is so painful. It was near or on my 10 Cap Moon 2002 till 2004. For ages, and I felt lonely and emotional and desperate for months. Lost. But it also was a time where I felt the first inklings of new horizons! Cap Moons have a hard time letting go...
And just when I dared to be so arrogant to think something like that 'O, wow, I believe it's done now', it started all over again. Outer events were just awful and big.

A process indeed, Jade. A never ending process. In bits and pieces.
Even in good times there is pain and loss. It is all AND AND, not OR OR, I believe.

Yes, ex-boyfriends! Is there anger between you and the most important one, unfinished business?
What is a month when you're talking realizing dreams? Stagnation brings inspiration. Yin and Yang.

Interesting that you mention the last Venus retro period, and the Chiron quality this one has. The Summer of 2004 was quite awful relationshipwise. I lived on my willpower then, on fear. I did not process anything, had no time to feel.
Money pouring in though! How was that for you (and others) at that time?
Blessings!
Juliet

[svenskasfinx]

Juliet, Jade, forum-

I'm also seeing some kind of connection with the fact that the Venus retrograde started off together with a Chiron conjunction. It certainly brought up alot of issues now; your stories remind me that we are all suffering, even in the best of times, even when we are at our best places and we are really happy.

I just found out yesterday my little brother got into an auto accident, he was ok, but the pasenger, his girl friend who was asleep, and not wearing a seat belt was killed instantly.

He got out of prision this last year, got a job, and really saw to it he was doing everything he could to stay clear and focus upon things. He was not drinking or doing any drugs at the time of this accident as well.

A friend of mine also had a similar experience, it seems she was engaged to someone, and finally took this step to become physical with him, the day after, he was driving and a car pulled into their lane on the other side of traffic, plowing into the driver's side of the car, killing him also instantly; that was in 2003. I never thought about introducing my brother to Rayna before, but I know she still can't get over her grief in a healthy way and obsesses over what could have been. Maybe misery loves company and the two could actually hit it off as friends now at least. I don't know.

On a personal life note, my daughter who was adopted's father, (naturally an ex) gave my mother a message to me (and my daughter) and told her that he wasn't anything, and not worth knowing. A total cop-out if you ask me. My mother who has had to deal with my brother should have protested that. Maybe she did, I don't know. He never did anything "bad" other than be completely a non-particpant in his own life, and pushed me to give my daughter away before she was even born.

My mother says he told her about how when other people do things, and try things that they actually "succeed" and that with him, nothing ever comes of his efforts. As a person who has dealt with him on a very close level I have to say that is not entirely true as I wrote several record companies for him on behalf of his band he had at the time, and he never got back to any of those who wrote back who were interested in his demo. The ones he did get back to, he got back to about 6 months to a year later, in that industry you just can't do that.

Other times when he had opportunities, he told me they were not worth while, and even still, the opportunity of taking some kind of charge of his life instead of "white washing" the truth to keep some kind of false image, totally useless. I get the feeling he just squelshed his own goals by totally elliminating other people from the picture.

Funny thing is everyone says its a shame he never got married and had children because he's a good person, just that there is something wrong with his ambitions. He's avoident and never seems to take risks...even when they would have probably been really good for him. I'm at the end of my rope with him as well. I as a friend don't want to see him go down this path any farther, yet I'm so afraid that if I "spoil" this "image" he's worked so hard upon to keep, he may take a more "negative" Scorpio path and possibly commit suicide, I don't know.. its hard to say especially when I get a message like that..

Needless to say, his daughter, who has the right to know him, who he is and what he's about is disapointed, as my mother and I am. There is so much I want to do and can do, but at the same time, I'm not lacking in empathy, I totally understand that in a way he never opened his heart enough until I was no longer any more than a friend.. and then I couldn't go through with it any more.. I'm still his friend but I don't know if I have the right to MAKE him do something good for him. We all want him to be well but we all want him to be there for his daughter, he bailed out before, I won't let him do it again.

Thought it was in the theme of things, thanks all, sorry for the venting.

best wishes to everyone,

svenskasfinx

[Juliet]

Oh, no worry, no sorries, Sven!
How awful about your brother and his girlfriend. He has to live with this accident the rest of his life.

I believe all you can do about your ex is to ask him one more time if he's prepared to meet your daughter. But I would ask him directly, not get your mom involved.
No one CAN make some one else do something what is good for them, I believe.
I wish you and your daughter strength!
Juliet

[Juliet]

When I read Kim would like to start a post om the Moon, I immediately thought about that Moon in Cap. There's so much I do not understand about it. It's not anywhere close to cool or whatever, but there's a great need for control, that's true. I guess all Moons have their own inherent control mechanisms, since they're about instinctive behaviour too.

Lucky for you, Chiron is definitely in Aq now, Jade! Coming up to all Aq Moons here... Kim!

I just can't keep going through that.

Through curveballs?

Relationships invariably bring up old hurts, and that is where Chiron works it's stuff, I believe.
Noone can save you from these feelings, that's true, and relationships hopefully will get better when one does not longer expect miracles of them.

This morning my own words of Saturday here haunted me and I had to laugh. Just when you think things are getting better... Sunday saw me waking up with some inflamed nasty tissue halfway up my back, so that is where I am now.
And I am so angry at my dad right now! An ocean of old anger has been opened. I have a history of acting out anger at men, and idealizing them at the other hand, so... I'm sure everything is interconnected.
Cancelled the date with my ex-lover tomorrow, I just slept and ate painkillers today. Wonderful dreams though, of swimming in warm, sheltered water.

Blessings, Juliet

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Everyone,

These posts are so insightful, Juliet, what a brilliant and moving delineation of your Venus Rx experiences. Thank you so much for sharing it. ... 'or are you scared?' I like that question too. It says, " I know you, I 'get' you...I respect your feelings.” This is something Moon in Capricorn (and Moon in Aquarius...me) can appreciate.

Jade, I've been experiencing those 'rain showers' myself lately...Venus is turning around right now on my North Lunar Node! Of course, that south Node in Cancer has saved 'everything'! Much to sift through.

Sven...your brother must be in absolute shock. And 'the Dad' . . . sounds like his self esteem is at quite a low ebb. What if your daughter wrote to him directly? I think that they will be drawn together, eventually no matter what. It's hard to 'watch' from the side-lines though...

ScorpyMoon, I know the Venus square Uranus can keep relationships 'fresh and vital' by stamping them with really short 'use by' dates! I also know that Sun/Venus is attracted to and capable of intense and prolonged intimacy with another...when the 'other' is an authentic match! What does your Moon have to say about relationship?

The Moon is such a personal planet I think it becomes quite complex and difficult to grock when it falls in the transpersonal signs--from Sagittarius to Pisces.

No longer is it just one's own feelings, moods, needs, wants, securities, comfort and nurturing love...it's the collective's as well! The Moon is 'everyday' patterns of living, all the little things that are always changing, the unconscious, the instincts and the 'past'. She is the 'attraction or pull' of matter into life, Mother, that which creates from instinct and nature. Put her in the last 4 signs, or the last 4 houses (or both) and you get collective urges, collective instincts, collective unconscious, all merged into the most personal, domestic and vulnerable areas of life....somehow, the feeling world of the individual must 'carry' something for their group, community, society or culture. It's daunting, at times unless there are well developed artistic channels of expression...even then...

I don't think the Moon in the latter signs can be understood outside the context of the culture we are born into.

Warmly,
Kim

[Amoroso]

Thank you, all, for these wonderful and honest posts!
Amoroso

[Juliet]

And thanks to you all for your wonderful and warm and soulful feedback!
Update: I went to my date after all. I'd written him a mail yesterday, that my back hurt so much, and I did not know if I could make it, and he called me early this morning. We had a wonderful time, joy, pure joy.
Great honest conversation about when we went out together 25 (!!!!!!) years ago. After our relationship, it had taken him six years to fall in love again.
We talked about life, love and death. Lots of fun too, we felt at ease. It might be friendship, it might be something else.
He is a March 3rd 1958 Pisces. Cap Mars, Kim. Met his sister and brother in law, and I liked them too. We'll talk again later this week, when he'll be going to do some more tests at the hospital, for his heart. If there is no one else, I'll go with him.
Hmmm. Going to sleep now...
Love to you all, and I'll be back soon!
Juliet

[Juliet]

Scorpy, you don't need to sit pretty at all with your Scorpio Moon. It would be a total waste of what you are! I hope you'll find the time to post your horary soon! Really curious.

In another post you mentioned Mr Scorpy and you go way back, and even were platonic friends for long. How did that change?
I wish you luck with your curveballs.

Kim, I find the concept of a collective Moon still a bit hard to grasp. What would be the difference between a Cap Moon and another -more personal- Earth Moon, say a Taurus Moon?


Juliet

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Juliet,

A Taurus Moon is oriented towards self (as are the first 4 signs)...this is not a judgement or a label of 'selfishness'...this is an archetypal orientation which mustn't be taken personally (or I'll get a slew of emails from Taurus Moons!) Please think 'archetypal point of reference here...not individual)

Taurus is oriented towards ‘Me and my sensual fulfilment”. Taurus Moon gains emotional stability, comfort and feelings of love by exploring the empirical world, lavishing in sensuality and earthy comforts and making experiences tangible. (if a little’s good, a LOT is better!)

Capricorn is oriented towards ‘Me and collective fulfilment’. A Capricorn Moon gains emotional stability, comfort and feelings of love by exploring the collective through form and structure. The sensuality is ALL there but instead of focusing on personal pleasure only, it becomes a kind of collective experience. “I feel great, but what about my community? My clan? Are they nourished with the kinds of sensual, tangible and functional experiences that support growth and excellence?”

Richard Idemon gave this wonderful example regarding the Earthy Moons: He said, “If you come up behind a Taurus Moon and start massaging their neck, they close their eyes, purr and say, “Oh, good…a little to the left now…” If you come up behind a Virgo Moon and do the same thing, they say, “Oh, Oh, this is nice, but what does it mean? What will other’s think?” And, if you give the same massage to a Capricorn Moon, they might say, “Excuse me, but are you qualified to do that? Where were you trained? Will you be doing this to everyone here?”

The point is, Taurus immerses in the sensual pleasure of it all and Capricorn may too, once the purpose and relationship to the community is made clear!

The last four signs orient towards the collective:

Sagittarius—“Me and collective truth”
Capricorn—“Me and collective fulfilment”
Aquarius—“Me and collective consciousness”
Pisces—“Me and collective unconscious”

Because the Moon is so personal and instinctual, it can create quite a paradox, but I don’t think these Moons are truly ‘happy’ unless they are nurturing the collective in some way.

Does that make more sense?

Kim

[Kim Falconer]

Everyone note,

Venus is turning direct in the next 24 hours at 16 degrees of Capricorn.
When a planet is retrograde, stationary and then direct over one degree, its energy is amplified there. Note where 16 Capricorn falls in your horoscope. If you have any personal planets or the ascendant at 16 Capricorn you could feel a boost of sensuality, creative inspiration and awakenings in the area of love and personal, socially significant relationships.

Kim

[Juliet]

These have been a crazy two weeks... I'm on the brink of falling seriously in love with the guy from my past, but that's not all.
We will be meeting again, on a party, coming Sunday. No idea what he feels about me though. Could be just friends for him, everything in his life is changing now. This whole thing is so Venus retro...

Strange things have been happening. He's a heart patient and I just received a personalized mail for a convocation for members of a association for heart sufferers I don't know and have definitely not subscripted to.
Whatever it is, it certainly is healing the severe wounds of my last relationship. W's Venus is conjunct the NN of the composite of my latest love and me. Chiron too.

Blessings, Juliet