For once and for all, 7th or 5th House?

[blueorchids]

I continue to read conflicting guidelines about selecting the proper house for the quesited. It seems that some readers automatically pick House 7 when it is a relationship question but what if you are asking about a friendship where its members are of the opposite sex? or an unconsummated infatuation? a high school crush? a partner in an affair? What if YOU are married and the person you are inquirying of is also married but you are close friends? Yikes. In matters of the heart, shouldn't the 7th be for those in committed or married bonds. And others go elsewhere. What if the two are engaged?

Do you decide in advance? Do you consider if anything looks familiar with signs and houses and planets when you "get in there." It seems so subjective, slippery, tricky. LOL. Comments-- thoughts?

[Amoroso]

Dear BO;

This is from the book "Horary Astrology Plain and Simple" by Anthony Louis:

Fifth House
Children, creative self-expression, hobbies, speculation, gambling, lotto, stocks, risk-taking, excitement, contests, elections, recreation, fun, recreational sex, love affairs, romance, pregnancy, pleasure, feats, entertainment, education, the father's movable goods.

Seventh House
The mate, partner, spouse, significant other, opponent, competitor, open enemy, rival, any personal counselor or adviser, thief, sibling's children, marriage, partnerships, divorce, lawsuits, dealings with the public.

I think it can be left up to you to determine when a fifth house relationship has passed into a seventh house one. Also, you can experiment to see which horary elements come to pass using both the fifth and the seventh house rulers to determine which to use in your current situation.

Hope this helps!
Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

Thanks Amoroso, That's good counsel.

I don't think we have an answer "once and for all". It is always something to consider--dwell on even.

The rule is, if we aren't sure where to put them, then use the 7ths as "the other".

If it is a friend of yours and you define your relationship by that friendship, then use the ruler of the 11th.

If it is an infatuation or a crush, a romance of the heart (love affair) then use the ruler of the 5th.

If it is a friend who you are having an affair with, go with how you would introduce them to someone you trusted. Would you say, "He's my friend." or, "He's my lover"

If the people involved are married and it is clandestine, use the ruler of the 12th! ("shhhh. It's a secret."

If it's your husband's or business partners brother, (it happens!) use the 9th (sibling 3rd from the 7th)

Are you getting the idea?

If you are asking if there will be a committed relationship, use the 7th. If you are talking about a fling, 5th.

If you are in DOUBT about what to use, or its a question like, "Will my son choose her", use the 7th for the "other" (in the latter case, the 5th is the son and the 11th is HIS 7th).

See how there is no "once and for all?"

But also see it can be worked out!

Again, when uncertain, use the 7th for 'the other person."

Kim

[blueorchids]

Thanks Kim and Amoroso. Very helpful.