When will I find you know what?

[Juliet]

Hi to you all!
Before I first try to analyze a horary chart by myself, I have one question about the question, just to get me started.
I asked when I would find love, and that means the other person is still an abstraction. So the 'thing' I'm looking for is love. Where would I find the significator of the quesited in this case?

It is quite a vague question in hindsight, but that's how I put it. It surely came from my heart, and the DC of the chart is only a few minutes from my natal Sun.
Thanks,

Juliet

[Amoroso]

Hey Juliet,

From everything I've read about Horary, my understanding is that this kind of question can not be answered very well. However, obviously the experienced "Horarogists"--is that a word? may have a different take.

Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

Juliet, I think this is a valid question.

f you are referring to love and the exchange of love embodied in an intimate, sexual relationship, then we take the 7th house to be the 'container', the beloved.

I'll be back tomorrow to discuss the steps to read such a question. Is there a chart?

Kim

[Juliet]

Oh, that's great. I'm really glad!
I'll post the chart tomorrow through Photobucket.
Thanks!

Juliet

[Juliet]

Dear all,

Here's the horary!

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Okay. I'll give it a try.
When will I find love? I am being represented by Jupiter, Neptune and Moon. Love by Mercury, the 'promittor'.
Mercury is in seperating opposition to Retrograde Neptune, making no aspects to Moon and Jupiter. The separating opposition may well point to the relationship I'm still recovering from.

So there's not much going on, I reckon. Moon is in a fixed sign in the twelfth, so the timing is inconclusive.
Does the fact that Mercury is in arriving conjunction to Venus mean anything?
What do the aspects between my significators mean? There's an arriving Moon -Jupiter trine, an arriving trine between Neptune and Jupiter, and an upcoming Moon/Neptune conjunction.

As I mentioned before, the DC of the chart is conjunct my Sun. It was a heartfelt question. Uranus is conjunct the As, which might tell something about my Uranic nature.
The cusp of 11 is on my natal Moon.
When I ignore Chiron, Pluto is the planet which Moon conjuncted last with. It's position on the MC (and trine my natal Vertex) is striking.
Cusp 5 is on my natal DC.
Jupiter in 7?

I would be grateful for any comments.
Thanks,
Juliet

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Juliet,

Sorry it took longer to get back to this than I thought. Big weekend (Went to see my Son up the coast--very nice visit!)

Now, this chart is radical and fit to read.

You are right in the rulerships, though sometimes the Moon can co-rule the 'other'...we might do that in this case. Let's see.

The Moon last over Chiron (non-traditional) suggests the urge for healing is at the core of the question...over Pluto is not too different except it implies more a need for transformation...and the depths of experience thus far.

Your traditional ruler is Jupiter and we find you have 'gone over to his side!" You go to him, as it were....you are already there! (Jupiter in the 7th house/ the house of the other)

There is no approaching aspect between Jupiter and Mercury or Neptune and Mercury so we do one of two things. We give him the moon as a co-ruler or we give it to you.

If you have the Moon as your co-ruler, we get an opposition in 15 degrees to Mercury. Remember, all approaching aspects the moon makes COUNT. There is no orb with the moon as long as she can complete the aspect in sign.

As you said, 'fixed and cadent' is an unknown period of time (a funny little paradox considering the question)...it could be a minute, an hour or a decade!@!!

If we give 'him' the co-ruler moon, then he trines your ruler in 6 degrees--yet still the moon is fixed and cadent so we have to say we don't know when!!! Moon conjuncts your ruler Neptune in 9 degrees and though we 'don't know' the timing, I would venture 9 days, 9 weeks or 9 months...

The fact that you are already in his house intrigues me.

Because your ruler Neptune is in the degree of the node, I am wondering if this person isn't already a significant one in your life---or soon to be. I get the feeling 'you know him' though may not recognize either him or that he is someone who you can express and share love with.

Uranus on the Ascendant does suggest a 'Uranian' theme here, and also something of a 'big surprise'.

I don't see this as 'not much happening'. I think it is the cosmos winking at you!!!

Anyone else?
Kim

[svenskasfinx]

Hello!

I can't help but say when I saw the chart with Jupiter in the 7th, I felt, and I don't know if I'm right or wrong that maybe its right there in front of you.

With Kim's responce, I confess I got a bit braver to post this, although for the life of me, I don't exactly understand why I felt this, since I am not very good with Horary I think I got an "intutive flash" rather than any solid information.... I also have to wonder about Uranus on the ASC in Piscies...something sudden and surprising no doubt.

take care,

svenskasfinx

[Juliet]

Thank you both!
I'm all excited...
I knew there was something about Jupiter in 7...
That Pluto on the MC, is it important for the question, other than indicative of transformation?
I drew one with asteroids too, and that one has Karma at 17 deg Li, on my natal Venus, again in 7.

Do aspects from the horary to the natal have a meaning, or does one just read the horary for its own sake?

I see if I can come up with more.

Kim, I'm so happy you went to see your son!
Love, Juliet

[Kim Falconer]

Yes, Jupiter is significant in the 7th. In the horary, we look at where the ruling planet 'is' in terms of "where do we find that person'. When the ruler of the querent is in the house of the quesited, we say 'they are with them, or they have gone over to their side'. It does, Sven, give the feeling of 'right in front of your face'.

Pluto on the MC can say something about how important the question is--a matter of life and death-- so to speak. It means that there has been a transformation just in you asking it! It may also say something about the public or social aspect of this question. Is he the ruler of the 8th and sextile and trine to both Jupiter (Juliet) and Mercury (him). It could be a third person, powerful, commanding (high standing) that introduces you or brings you together in some way.

I'm not sure how much we can use asteroids in Horary but I suspect that Karma in the 7th means you meet him at work, or there is a shared work, path, journey.

Is Eros in the 7th too?

Aspects from the horary chart back to the natal are significant in establishing the 'radical' of 'rightness, or fitness' of the horary chart to be read. If you have strong connections to the chart, you are assured that the moment in time is reflective, synchronistically linked to you, as this one is.

Let's keep looking. What else does this chart say?

Kim

[Juliet]

Hi!

The last aspect the Moon makes before it goes Void, is an opposition to Venus in 6. That's supposed to tell something about the outcome of the question, I understood, and that opposition bodes well, I feel.
Do quincunxes count in horary? In that case the last aspect before going Void would be a 150 deg aspect to the Sun.

Asking this question was certainly the result of a transformation process, Kim, you're all too right about that..

Right in front of my face? There is no one in my daily life I even fancy, not at work, not at the supermarket ;D, no one of my neighbours... Can it be possible I already know him?
Ruler of 7 in 6 seems to indicate a work related situation too, doesn't it?

That Moon in 12 seems so foggy, Neptunian. A bit disquieting.

Are Mars and the NN in the 1st in any way important?
Although I understand one ought to keep things in horary as simple as possible, so it might be too farfetched...
Thanks for your help with this!

Juliet

[Kim Falconer]

The opposition to Venus is the last aspect. The inconjunct counts in Horary, but you can see that the Sun changes signs before the Moon can complete the aspect--so Venus is it. The opposition means 'awareness of the situation' and that you are 'facing it'. (facing him?) I can think of worse things!

I think the north node in the first is very strengthening and expanding ( a Jupiter like effect), along with Mars. (Vital in its own sign). The Node here is encouraging, and perhaps reinforces the idea of 'fated encounter or karmic meeting'. I get that you 'know' him from 'somewhere'. Mars adds excitement, urgency and the will to 'forge ahead'. It says something to me about maintaining a sense of independence in the midst of surrender! (to love)

Remember, Uranus so dominant says 'it's totally unpredictable', a little paradox for sure!

I think that it's more a worry to have Mercury in the 12th, or even the sun but the moon there handles the fog---she loves it--it is her stock and trade. Perhaps think of it as a melting down of judgements and barriers to intimacy and love. (spoken to myself as much as to you!!!)

Kim

[Juliet]

Inspired by Prima's question, I actually found the PoM at 11,5 deg Pis, ON the Ascendant (and Uranus) of my horary from some time ago, with a similar question. What could that mean??
Am I married already, without my knowledge??

I'll put it up here.



Thanks!
Juliet

[primamateria]

Hi Juliet,
I'm new to all of this horary but from my first impression - of your 12th house Uranus as (qabalistic) 'lightening path' - just wondered if you might meet him in a meditation class or spiritual retreat? In any case I should think that it will all be reaching you via swift and deep, like an under-ocean current, or you will act as a 'lighthouse' and draw your beloved to you through visualisation and dreams.
hope that doesn't go too far out there!
Joy!
Prima