Relationship Charts

[Amoroso]

Dear All,

I hesitated to start this thread, because I imagine it will be popular and everyone will clammer to have a chart posted. However, for those following my story of Eros, the time had come to ask the question "Are C and I in love with each other?" and here is the chart:

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I am actually surprised I didn't ask the question before. However, here is my analysis, based on what I have learned so far.

Is the chart fit to read?

1. Asc degree within specifications
2. Moon not void of course
3. Saturn not in seventh

The ASC is in the Via Combust, symbolizing my distress at being in love with two men and what this seems to mean to my views of marraige, a cherished and long-upheld ideal in my life. Pluto is inconjunct to his ruler, Venus, showing that I, indeed, do love him but am frustrated by the relationship and that there is not a clear path to each other. (In synastry and the composites, there is a huge Pluto/Venus theme.)

If the chart is turned, his seventh house ruler becomes Jupiter, which has no aspect to Pluto, but has a clear trine to the Moon, my co-ruler, in the seventh house. It looks like he is, indeed, in love with me.

It is interesting that the answer remains the same if I turn it into a fifth house question--still quite a romantic "feel" to the whole situation. The ruler of his fifth house cusp, Venus, is both inconjunct to Pluto and sextiles the Moon. The ruler of my fifth house cusp, Mars, is in the fifth house and trines his ruler, Venus.

Or am I supposed to aspect his fifth house ruler, Venus, with my fifth house ruler, Mars, to read that trine?

The Pars Fortuna is conjunct his seventh house ruler in the 11th house of friendship and hopes and wishes.

Eros is in the 12th. The whole thing is so hidden that we don't even know it!!!

Well, what do you all think? Is this on track or am I whistling in the dark?

Blessings,
Amoroso

I haven't gotten into dignities or anything yet.

[Kim Falconer]

This is great work...and so interesting because, as you say, no matter how you turn this chart you get the answer. "anyway you look at it."

If we take your co-ruler Moon and count how many degrees to his ruler Venus, we get 5. (Mutable Moon in an angular house suggests "5 weeks")

If we take your ruler Mars and count the degrees it will take to trine his ruler Venus, we get 9. Cardinal (mars) and succeedent house equates again with weeks (9 weeks).

If we take the modern ruler Pluto, and let the Moon co-rule C, (because his ruler is past the degree of aspect) we get a degree distance of 22. Mutable (Pluto) in a succeedent house is months--almost two years.

Interesting. Time will tell. The final aspect of the Moon is the opposition to Pluto, the final "event" for this question is likely to be a separation (isn't that always the final event?)

You said, If the chart is turned, his seventh house ruler becomes Jupiter, which has no aspect to Pluto, but has a clear trine to the Moon, my co-ruler, in the seventh house. It looks like he is, indeed, in love with me.

How are you turning this chart to put Sag or Jupiter on the Ascendant?

You can also look at Mercury to see "where one's thoughts dwell". Your Mercury in this chart falls in the 10th (conjunct Venus)...your mind is on the relationship and "putting it out into the public" via this post, no doubt. It's his third house of communication. I think you'll hear from him soon.

Anyone else have comments here?

Warmly,
Kim

[Amoroso]

Thanks so much, Kim. Two questions:

1. "How are you turning this chart to put Sag or Jupiter on the Ascendant?"

Tell us what you get when you turn the chart and then I can figure out what I am doing wrong.

2. In your analysis you revealed time--weeks/months--which I found interesting because the question was not one of time. To what do you think those weeks/months refer and how, astrologically, are you looking at this? (Although that will be hard to seperate from all you know of this situation!)

Blessings,
Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

I would turn the chart and put the 7th house on the Ascendant and read "his" chart as Taurus Rising, Venus ruling, Venus in his third.

Also, when you ask "yes or no" question and both Sun and Moon are above the horizon, you get a definite "yes". (most of the time) I forgot to mention this!

The time I am looking at is the distance of degrees between rulers--how long until the aspect is perfected? I'll post a chart here to show you how to turn degrees in signs and houses into days, months and years. What does this mean? confirmation, I believe.

Kim