When Will we sell the house?

[Kim Falconer]

Here is a question supplied by Mar.



The first step to see if it is "radical" and fit to read:

• Ascendant <28 degrees or > 2 degrees? YES
  
  
• Moon not void of course? (which I do read anyway) YES
  
  
• Saturn not in the 7th house? YES
  
  

Think now about the rulerships:

The 4th rules the house to be sold
The 1st is the querent (the seller)
The 7th is the buyer

Before I go further, who wants to comment on the house itself, the buyer (where are they? What are they like?) the price? will the querent get what they want? and what about an earlier event that might have prompted this question?

Lets make some notes here and then we'll go through it step by step.

Kim

[svenskasfinx]

"Think now about the rulerships:

The 4th rules the house to be sold
The 1st is the querent (the seller)
The 7th is the buyer"


Ok Kim, good lesson here! This is what I see so far...

first house... seller, 15 degrees Scorpio.. this is in Via Combusta... this means they are troubled in some way...
Pluto ruler of the first house is in the sign Sagitarius in the 2nd house.. naturally they want to have a good return on their time and other resources spent on the property. The ruler seems to be retrograde though..

4th house however seems to have a problem (I don't know if its true or not.. speculation you know) Uranus the ruler is retrograde in the 4th house in Piscies.. it feels that the propterty is a bit unusual in some way and yet its one of it's strengths.. (mutual reception between Uranus and Neptune in the respective 4th and 3rd house.. It seems to say to me.. it has an unusual location, or it is not typical of the houses in the area.

the buyer naturally is Taurus on the 7th house cusp.. a person with some finance of course.. and looking for a HOME.. Moon in Taurus on the 7th house almost exactly conjunct the DC.-- it tells me that the buyer has alot of resources and is willing possibly to make the investment.. and due to the trine (passing) was interested in the unusual nature of the house in question.. it is also trined the Sun at 10 degrees Cancer in the 8th house..

It says to me, that the buyer and the house are in "harmony".. it is the seller however who is troubled.. pehaps needs more money than the buyer may be willing to sell for.. or has some sort of legal troubles which seem to make the house more difficult to sell..

I don't see a real problem between the house and the buyer.. there is possiblity in spite of the retrograde planets..Potentical is there.. I just feel that it is the seller having problems, maybe being too involved.. and yet there is a sextile between the IC and Pluto.. maybe they are not really interested in letting go of the house.

am I even close?

it was a mad and spontanious attempt.. with sun in the 8th house in Cancer.. I get the feeling the buyer will be holding to any contracts..and may bring things to light about the property which may make it hard to sell.. or easy.. being that the Sun is the ruler of the MC its going to be the thing "highlighted".. the contracts, and the resources of the buyer.. and how they may intend to pay for the house.

I forgot Jupiter.. they have to be careful about overestimating their resources.. and what they can pay.. they may over extend themselves... and not just the buyers, considering that Jupiter rules the second house of the seller..and this is squared that Sun.. maybe they are asking too much because they have over extended themselves previously.. (with a quincux to the 4th house it may be a problem with taxes thinking also about 8th house issues a quincux in a horary is hard to resolve and tends to become "explosive" due to tension)

It seems like an emotional situation for everyone involved though.

Take care,

svenskasfinx

[mar]

Hi Kim

thanks for posting the chart. I won't say too much yet as I know the situation too well .

I know very little about horary - but I think that the seller would be ruled by the traditional ruler of Scorpio ie Mars. Mars is in Aries (dignity?) in the 5th house. It is in square to Sun in the 8th which rules the 10th (is the tenth the price indicator?). It is also in a square to Jupiter (ruler of the sellers 2nd) which is placed in the sellers house of hopes.

The buyer is ruled by Venus in Leo in the 9th (a flamboyant foreigner?). Venus is conjunct Mercury and out of sign to Saturn? I really don't know what that might indicate. Other aspects sextile Jupiter.

House indicated by traditional ruler of Aquarius - Saturn in cancer in the ninth which is sexile the Moon.

Would the earlier event be indicated by the last ptolamic aspect made by the Moon - in this case the square to Neptune in the 2nd?

I won't say anything more or comment yet on what you wrote Svenskasfinx - but some things were fairly true.
Mar

[Kim Falconer]

Mar, your analysis of the traditional rulerships is great, and Sven, your insights too are valid. I look first to the traditionals (Mar's approach) and then consider the modern rulerships separately.

What is the property like? The fourth house tells us:

Air rules the 4th suggesting a property "tall structures or trees (landscaping) set on terraced land. An open, "airy" feel. With Uranus in the fourth, it says there is something unusual about the property (as Sven pointed out) possibly estrangement or separation to do with family (an inherited property?) or gained by "bizarre" circumstances. It does "stand out" as different...maybe it contrasts other homes in the neighbourhood. The sellers may have had to leave suddenly or make a quick decision concerning the house. There outcome to the question (4th is final result) will be surprising.

The 5th is the 2nd from the 4th, indicating what the property earns. We have mars there--you'll have to haggle over price and there could be arguments involved. The north node is beneficial, saying it can bring a good selling price. the question is, can you WAIT for that price? Uranus suggest the seller is in a hurry!

The 10th rules the value of the property. Leo rules (it's special, distinctive) and the Sun (though peregrine--not in a sign of dignity, exaltation or element) suggest that the house requires just the right buyer to see it's potential.

I see the buyers as Venus and the sellers, primarily, as Mars. The Moon co-rules the sellers and she is in the 7th. The sellers will "go over to the buyers--meet them half way at least."

We look for an aspect between Venus and Mars (buyer and seller) and we have a trine. They will reach an accord. When? Venus in a cadent house say the sellers will procrastinate, stall. The trine says the offer comes gracefully and is accepted (but I still suspect some conflict with Mars in the 5th--the seller feels she is taking a risk). Moon last over Mars suggests some fights or arguments about the risk.

There are 8 plus degrees between the rulers of the querent and buyer (almost 9 degrees are needed to complete the trine) though the Moon completes her sextile in 1 degree. I wonder if you will hear something (an offer or contract) in 1 week or 1 month) and finalize in 8 weeks-to 8 months.

Mar, maybe let everyone comment here first and then fill us in on the situation! It's very interesting. Let's keep digging. There is more to see!

Kim

[mar]

Hi Kim

I just wanted to ask a question on your post. You said

"Moon last over Mars suggests some fights or arguments about the risk"

I didn't understand this - does this mean the last conjunction made before the question?

I also have a question about time with the triplicities. Is there a rule for when the applying aspects for timing indicate weeeks, months or years? I noticed you metioned this on a couple of the charts but am not clear on what the rules are.
thanks
Mar

[amoroso]

"Moon last over Mars suggests some fights or arguments about the risk"

Hi Mar,

I would like to add another interpretation to this configuration, although I am sure you've thought of this already. The Moon over Mars could also mean that the querant, or whomever the moon represents, is feeling extreme agitation and/or anxiety over a recent action or decision.

Following this with interest!

Blessings,
Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

The moons last conjunction prior to the question reveals something vital about the question and why it is asked.

In any horary chart, you look at the moon then look BACKWARD to see what the last conjunction was (no matter how many signs (days) prior. Does this make sense?

In your horary, Mar, the Moon was last over Mars. (we aren't considering the North Node now). That means that "Mars" energy is part of the impetus for the question.

I think Amoroso's call on "restless agitation" is apt. Mars wants things done NOW and it can be hard to wait. It's not patient. There is a feeling of wanting action, wanting results. It can also mean "battle" or animated discussions about the property, even fights or arguments that vent anger and frustration. Can you see how this might fit in? Mars is not placid about the question.

Yes, there is a rule about timing and I'm going to make a little chart (I think I talked about this on the "where's my note book" thread. I'll post it soon.

Other comments?

Kim

[Kim Falconer]

Here are the rules for the measurement of time in Horary Charts: (from Ivy Goldstien Jacobson's Simplified Horary Astrology, (1947) Pasadena, CA.

• Cardinal Signs and Houses
  • Angular = Days
    
  • Succedent=weeks
    
  • Cadent=months
    
  
  
• Mutable Signs and Houses
  • Angular=Weeks
    
  • Succedent=Months
    
  • Cadent=Years
    
  
  
• Fixed Signs and Houses
  
  • Angular=Months
    
  • Succedent=Years
    
  • Cadent=unknown time
    
  
  

Let's finish this thread with some final comments and then move on to another question.

Warmly,
Kim

[mar]

Well

I can come clean now and say this is our house. I wouldn't say the house is unusual for the area - so don't think that the uranus is indicating that - but what Svenskasfinx wrote about being in an unusual area is quite apt as it is out of the city and therefore needs a buyer who would want to be in this area - which isn't everyone. It is detached, with views of mountains and several trees including two huge old olive trees and has a spacious feel about it - so fits in very much with what Kim said. It is painted inside in bright washes which people either really love or would paint over which could perhaps also tie in with the uranus. We have already purchased another house so yes there is also a sort of urgency now on our part to sell.

The other factor in the sale has been our inconsistancy with the marketing - first advertising it ourselves, then with an agent, then changing to another etc - this has perhaps stalled the process.

We have had some good news today in that we have been able to juggle finances so it won't be such a burden till we sell it - also some more people are coming to see it tomorrow who seem very interested - so will keep you updated if anything moves...

From what you have written above I guess the main aspect which would indicate a sale would be the trine between mars and venus - as venus is in a fxed cadent this indicates an unknown time....

I am understanding that what the house can earn (5th) is Jupiter in the 11th opposite the seller and square sun (value of the house)- I think this is quite apt as we have lowered the price to try and get a quicker sale so we won't be selling for what we were originally told the house would make.

Anyway Kim thanks for this opportunity to use the chart it has been very interesting and I will be watching the events unfold looking at the chart

Mar

[Kim Falconer]

Because the Moon is fixed and angular-taking 1 degree to complete the sextile (final aspect to Saturn) I suggest action or contract in one month from the time the question was asked) Mars cardinal and succedent suggests 8 weeks till settlement. Venus is in a position of "time unknown" but I am going with sooner than later.

Keep us posted!
Kim

[mar]

hi everyone - it is ages since I last posted anything as I have been unbelievably busy settling into our new life here in Rome and also we were off line for a couple of months. Am writing with an update on the house sale I asked about. We finally have a buyer. They first made an offer in October but didn't make a formal offer till a month later - last week infact. They want to move very quickly now and want all to be signed before Christmas. They offered slightly less than we asked but still more than another offer which we accepted in September (which fell through at the last minute).

Things that hit me as tying in with what people said:

Kim said:
The trine says the offer comes gracefully and is accepted (but I still suspect some conflict with Mars in the 5th--the seller feels she is taking a risk).

This is very true as we are reluctant to tie ourselves into a date so soon after the formal offer as we have things to organize and have been trying to get to an agreement with them.

Both Sven and Kim commented on the unusual nature of the property and infact the estate agent before this buyer came along was suggesting we paint the interior white as the colourfuf interior might be putting buyers off - but it is one of the things that attracted the people who made the offer!

I am not sure about all the timings - I think we received this offer about 3 and a half months after the question - so I don't know how that fits in.... But there was a slow (for us) month between them making an offer and then putting down a deposit (perhaps the moon 1 degree sextile) then 8 weeks would be about right for the settlement from how things are going (and this time feels fairly rushed to us so quite a cardinal mars feel - as we are under pressure to get our stuff done with Christmas in the way.

It is great living here dedicating myself to painting so am glad we made the move...Anyway - now I am online and settling down into more of a routine I hope to participate more again.
Mar

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Mar,

Good to hear from you again and good news on the house.

It's really helpful to 'see' how the horary charts 'unfold' too!

Great to hear you are painting!

Warmly,
Kim