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Post by tom on Nov 8, 2006 0:52:44 GMT
hi all, my solar return is tomorrow morning, and i've been looking the chart over. i noted that the SR vertex is almost precisely conjunct my natal MC, and i'd love to hear any thoughts on this. i've had some experiences associated with the natal vertex and feel pretty well-versed, but in the SR chart i'd love input that might be floating around out there. my initial thinking is that the energy of fated-feeling opportunities and sudden happenings are to be in the MC/10th - is there another take/twist on this i should see?
my data: nov 11 1972 4:16 am dover oh earth
thanks!
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Post by AquariusMoon on Nov 9, 2006 13:54:52 GMT
Hi, Tom. Are there other good things happening in your chart?
I had that placement last year and I think it worked in conjunction with other things going on in my chart like tr Pluto trine na Jupiter and tr Uranus trine tr Jupiter tr na Venus. Natal Uranus cj's na Vertex. Spica was on my SR ASC.
I've posted about this before somewhere. I moved to a new state, and someone in a high position in town helped me get started in business. He was making calls to people and really going out of his way to help me, someone he didn't even know. I had met him only one time. Suffice it to say, it was a really good aspect!
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Post by Kim Falconer on Nov 10, 2006 22:20:55 GMT
Hi Tom,
Happy Birthday!
The way I would approach SR Vtx conjunct the Natal MC is to think of a metamorphosis (re-read the Vertumuns article on my web site if you like!) of your Midheaven--perhaps career, mission, profession, but also a sense of social standing--what are you 'known' for in the big wide world? What do you want to be known for? Think also of the parental implications of this axis...your own parents, or you as a parent, and relationships 'in the eye of the public'. Reputation, honour, responsibility and authority reside here, along with issues of power, self-esteem, and 'matters outside the home'.
Remember the Solar Return Chart is a transit chart that 'lasts' the entire year. Where is that SR Vtx sitting in the return? That area of life, by sign and house and conjunction, will say something about what 'affects' or 'instigates' or coincides with the metamorphosis and epiphany of the 10th house natal aspect.
Does that make sense?
Do let us know how this unfolds!
Happy return!
Kim
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Post by tom on Nov 10, 2006 23:36:06 GMT
hi kim and am, thanks for the replies! in the return chart, it's in the 8th. and yes, it does seem at least so far about parental attitudes and how i've made myself in the world. currently i'm down with a tendon problem in my leg, my girlfriend and i inquired and learned that stuff i'm shedding from my spine/back is getting stuck in m ylegs/feet and creating problems there - and it's colored by root chakra issues: my basic attitude is being happy to be alive and excited to have all sorts of experiences, but what i learned by example from my parents isn't exactly supporting my enthusiasm. so there's a bit of a n ongoing conflictin me. i seem to hold myself back because of retention of negative attitudes i grew up seeing and living with, and it's time to get rid ofthem. i just movedin with my girlfriend, which directly challenges some of them - part of me thinks i can't be happy at home, can't make a home fun and light and loving (i grew up in what felt like a war zone, with uberaquarian mother and sister bitterly fighting all the time), and yet that's what i'm choosing to do. so, a lot going on this SR. other things in the chart: pluto in the 1st opposing moon in gemini in the 8th, both squaring the nodes. rx uranus in the 4th, mars-sun-rx mercury-venus-jupiter in scorpio in the 12th, with jupiter right on the 26 scorpio ascendant. so, for letting go, for changing how home is and works (and the attitudes about it). and then this vertex thing... the pluto thing a friend suggested is feeling in my body all the pluto stuff i have natallyin the 12th. the niht of my birthday i had that, when i felt like my father and was entirely angry that on my birthday i had to (couln't walk, felt like an invalid, and just wanted to run around outside with my girlfriend and celebrate our new house and life in general) - we have a strong connection, and i could feel him thinking about me because my birthday, but not acknowledging it in any way, which is his way. and i screamed a lot and balled and brought out for the first time what allthat feels like, articulated it for the first time. my girlfriend was taken aback but she kept asking questions toget me to go farther into it, knowing it was important. so thank you for your replies! my work as an astrologer can't become a career until i release this garbage from my growing up time, i know it. it's static/noise and it gets in the way of everything i want to do.
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Post by samina on Nov 15, 2006 19:03:25 GMT
Hey Tom, The Vertex in my own current SR is conjunct my natal Sun/NN/MC (Venus too) and like yours, also sitting in my SR 8th house. Kim's use of the word "metamorphosis" regarding what I'm known for is definitely appropriate in my own case. Everything is shifting -- my energy, my direction, my purpose, my focus. Huge overall shift. All in good ways -- it's like the world is opening up. If you experience something like that in this next year... woo-hoo! (BTW, I really like that Moon cnj Vertex placement in Leo. Nice. Seems to convey a very happy, cozy spirit to me.) A very happy (belated) birthday to you!!! Sami
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Post by tom on Nov 16, 2006 23:30:18 GMT
hi samina - what do you mean about the moon cj vertex in leo? the sr moon is 27 gemini, and the sr vertex is 14 cancer.
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Nov 17, 2006 1:58:11 GMT
Belated Happy Birthday, Tom! Kim said: Where is that SR Vtx sitting in the return? That area of life, by sign and house and conjunction, will say something about what 'affects' or 'instigates' or coincides with the metamorphosis and epiphany of the 10th house natal aspect Interesting. My SR Vtx is in the SR 7th conj SR Sun/Vesta - in a very crowded 7th house (Venus, Juno, Sun, Vesta, Vtx, Lilith, Merc, Mars!): i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/3rdhousenorth/solarreturn2.gifYou might think with that crowded 7th and Venus conjoined the Dsc I'd be in a relationship. But right now I'm on a self-chosen "dating hiatus"! Maybe that's Vesta conj Sun in SR. But I have had a real epiphany regarding my wounded relationship life (natal Chiron on the Dsc, and coming to my Chiron return in about a year). An astrologer I went to recently helped me put all of the seeming relationship failures into context and now I'm taking a step back to rebuild and strengthen mySELF (tr Saturn over my Asc/Moon and into my natal 1st) before I step back out into the dating world again. Tr Neptune is on my Dsc/Chiron anyway - I'm just letting it dissolve things now. And SR Vtx is conj my natal Sun in the 2nd, taking stock of what *I* value. And the Moon in my SR is in the SR 2nd, trine my SR Dsc/Venus. More about emotionally being rooted in what I value. Maybe later in this SR year (begain in Sept) I'll move into that 7th house! 3rdhousenorth
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Post by tom on Nov 17, 2006 17:50:06 GMT
hi 3hn, actually, i wouldn't expect you with a loaded sr 7th house to be in a relationship - the 7th isn't about being in a relationship, but how we relate. with the focus on it, i'm not surprised that your choice is to retool some things before getting into relationship again. to understand how and why you relate with people is so important. and with the sr sun there that's the focus for the year (not to mention all the other bodies you list).
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Post by Kim Falconer on Nov 20, 2006 22:09:37 GMT
Hi Everyone, This is so interesting re Vertex contacts. Tom, what you describe does sound like 8th house in terms of delving into those past feelings and experiences. Jung said, "What we resist persists." and now seems like the right time, the chairos, for your to release those feelings in whatever way feels appropriate--cathartic, spiritually, physical...let the past go and while you do, focus on how you want that new home with your girlfriend to be! *congrats on that move* If you want light and fun and breezy, then THINK light and fun and breezy. Energy follows thought. That was the first think I learned as an astrology student (from Isabel Hickey) and it is the most crucial. Mercury, by natal placement, and in the return, progressed etc, tells us so much about how we can create the experiences we want via our thinking. (I feel an article coming up!) Meanwhile Tom, if you want, post your natal and return (or tell me where dover is and I'll do it) and we can look at this combination of deep inner releasing and re-creation! 3rdHN, that return chart does have a packed 7th. I think Tom is right in that it doesn’t necessarily say you will have a major new relationship (or old one, or many) but it doesn’t say you wont either! I think that kind of emphasis is about participation within and through socially significant relationships. Sometimes we need to be in touch more with ourselves first before we can fully engage (not a pun!) with relationship. T. Saturn on the Ascendant does encourage a reflection on all major aspects of life—the 4 angles—self-others-home-career and Vertex Sun suggests an epiphany of understanding when if come to your solar principle—the unique and creative energy that you are—AND how you form unions with others. The sun in the 7th needs relationships to fully express self! With so much going on in the 7th, I think you’ve done well to work with you feelings about partnership and get in touch with what would be most wonderful for you. Sometimes we form unions based on what our culture, family or community think we want and not on what our hearts want. Find out what kind of relationship would light up you soul and go for that! I get the feeling that Sun, Vtx, Vesta is doing just that. Vesta IS the flame of spirit and it is burning bright for you this year. In that light, you will see things you didn’t know were there! Is Pisces your natal 8th house cusp? Your intuition is very potent in this return chart ( esp. with SR Psyche on the natal Asc all year –yes?) and following that inner voice where she leads is vital. It reminds me of Joseph Campbell’s most wonderful saying, “Follow your bliss and doors will open where before there were only walls.” Kim
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Nov 22, 2006 19:02:15 GMT
Thanks, Kim! Just catching up here. Yes, all major aspects of life (the 4 angles) are definitely under review here! I started a new job in July and that's going amazingly well. I'm reviewing whether to stay in my home or move closer to work (leaning now to staying put for awhile to establish some financial security). That's the MC/IC. On the ASC/DSC... The astrologer I went to said the one thing I feel I've needed to hear about my inability to find a relationship all these years (I'm 48). Instead of alternately going forward with blind optimism about this one then that one and then beating myself up when they fail to get off the ground, I realize that none of them has been really right for me. I can see the rejections more compassionately because it wasn't them or me, just not right. (1) What I need is exceptional and very hard to find. (2) There are some things I can do to strenthen my Self that could help enable that right relationship to happen. (3) Meanwhile I can be happier in my life even without one, though the drive for relationship is very deep in me. I recently re-connected, by email, with someone I dated last spring who I really liked. But in thinking about it I remember what felt missing for me in that relationship. Reconnecting helped clarify things - he didn't "light up my soul!" as you said. I have a lot of Pluto/Scorpio energy that needs a really deep connection and there aren't many people who want to go there! Yes, Pisces is on my 8th hse. Right now tr Uranus is sitting there! So yes, lots of intuitive help. Tr Uranus is also sitting opp my natal Juno! Next spring tr Uranus will opp my natal Sun! And SR Psyche is about 3-4 degrees from my natal Asc/Moon (17/18 Leo). SR Saturn is 19 Leo. fyi, my natal chart: i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/3rdhousenorth/natalchart-anon.gif?t=1164220742Thanks again, Kim. Your comments were very very helpful. 3rdhousenorth
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Post by tom on Nov 22, 2006 20:17:30 GMT
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Post by Kim Falconer on Nov 23, 2006 0:05:37 GMT
Hello 3rd housenorth, Thanks for posting your chart to compare with the return. I was thrilled to see Eros on the Zero Degree Aries point in the natal and SR Eros conjunct the Natal Ascendant. I have an idea for you. You said: What I need is exceptional and very hard to find. AND…
I have a lot of Pluto/Scorpio energy that needs a really deep connection and there aren't many people who want to go there!I would suggest—because we know that energy follows thought, and matter (what manifests in reality) is energy—these strong statement reinforce exactly what you don’t want (a need that is almost impossible to meet) I’m thinking (al la the Emerald Tablets and all my early astrology and occult teachers from the last century) that what we think about comes about. What we hold in our thoughts and feelings—in consciousness—creates our reality. You have natal Venus conjunct Pluto and YES, you love deep and intense relationships. You may have started to believe long ago (because of family beliefs, cultural norms etc) that your match would be very hard to find and that relationships of the calibre you are after are, as mentioned, scarce. Yet I see that conjunction is sextile Jupiter who is in a potent inconjunct with Eros and Eros/AP are trine back to Ve/Pl. What I see might sound more like this: The deep and potent relationships that I crave are all around me and easy to find. Everyone one I’m attracted to wants to ‘go there’ with me!This would be my recommended mantra—said with all the trust and gratitude that it is in your heart and you will awaken its truth. If you can feel this is the case, and not hold thoughts to the contrary in your mind, you will activate an inner magnet that will bring you exactly what you want. Jupiter/Eros/AP guarantees it, every time. That you have such an emphasis in your SR 7th in Virgo tells me you can analyse this, test this and…if it feels right, enact it. So, a very exciting year ahead…if you want to ‘change your mine’! Let me know how this sits. Kim Hi Tom, I'll look at your charts tomorrow!
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Nov 23, 2006 1:40:22 GMT
Thanks, Kim. The thing is that that lovely Jupiter/Neptune also sometimes wants to believe too much in the possibilities and isn't too good on the reality (Jup/Nep near my IC - and progressed Sun is now approaching the IC, and progressed Venus is conj natal Neptune). I have been *so* optimistic about a number of men, when I've met someone I've felt something could take off with I've so believed in our future that I was crushed when it didn't work. I have been crushed more times than I can count. I can't tell you how healing it is to me to realize that it's not because I screwed up all these times, or that I'm unlovable, or any of the number of things that you begin to think when you've had this happen over and over and over and over no matter what you do. To realize that it is an *exceptional* thing to find for me - and yes, I do believe I can find it - is so healing, rather than that everything I have tried is wrong, and if I just "retool" myself one more time I'll learn whatever trick it is that lets other people find a partner!
What Virgo Sun needs is to discriminate, and what Sun square Virgo needs is to learn to be secure in herself. That's the starting point. The Pluto stuff needs its intense and deep connection, but the Uranus/Asc/Moon in Leo needs equality and freedom of expression; so does the Aquarian Descendant.
I do take your point about the law of thinking in the positive about what you want rather than don't want. But if I'm going to visualize having what I deeply want, it has to be acknowledge my truth.
Does this make sense?
3rdhousenorth
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Nov 23, 2006 14:15:18 GMT
Also I meant to mention that Chiron I have on my Dsc. In my efforts to heal there I've been recreating wounding relationship situations and one thing Virgo's powers of discrimation - combined with the intuition of Uran/Asc/Moon - is to be aware when it appears I'm heading into that again. That means stepping back once in awhile and see if I'm holding onto something (oh that Venus/Pluto will hold on!!) that is going to be wounding rather than healing. With Chiron return approaching, I'm expecting the cycle to finally heal.
3HN
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Nov 23, 2006 14:37:53 GMT
Sorry, I took this a bit off topic! I'll try to look at Tom's charts over the next few days, too. Thanks for your thoughts on my own. And happy thanksgiving to those of you in the US!
3rdhousenorth
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