When Saturn & Mars Kiss in the 12th-Venus Return

[blueorchids]

Friends,

My 2005 Venus Return which ends in May interestingly enough had Venus, the Sun and Vesta residing in the 7th house. The same return had in the 6th House North Node at 22 Aries (conjunct my natal aries moon). It seemed eerie and interesting given my year with my health, doc etc.

So imagine my pause when I looked at the Venus Return for 2006:



I am very focused on Studio work this year and my son's health and applications to high school. Plus my husband just started a new job. Yet every step of the way I cannot relax. I have a deep nagging bubbling up feeling about my marriage and my "relationship" future. I know I need to do ---or say something; yet I am still mute.(Note SATURN is in my 7th house of my 2006 solar return!) I don't wish to be hasty..

My main question for this Venus Return is the implication of Saturn and Mars (not to mention Vesta) literally sitting on top of each other at 8 Leo in the 12th House!!
but with Venus and Eros at the top of the chart!

The return does not even commence for a few months and I already feel a yank and push to keep my passion and angst under wraps. My sense is that with Saturn and Mars sitting in the 12th, Saturn will simply "kick butt" and take Mars' name. I know it's supposed to be all about balance yet 12th house hmmm.. It just keep seeming to be all about dealing with this inner angst and taking strict control of it. But then the lovely Venus and Eros are closely conjunct and sitting up in the Queen's house widely conjunct the MC and POF screaming see me, feel me!!.

A final note I have never seen the likes of this but in a natal comparison, there are no more than a handful of conjunctions. The Natal Sun conjuncts the Eros/Venus of the return chart but widely 8 orbs.

I do not want to forget the lesson on Kim's site for reading thse returns. This Venus Return has a ridiculous amount of angle opposites and planets conjunct these angle, for example Neptune so tightly on the descendant--though still in the 6th house.

But in the comparison to the natal perhaps the most noteworthy aspect is that in the Natal Uranus is my only LEO placement and it sits at 17 degrees. The Ascendant in the Venus Return is 20 Leo. Maybe I can roar a little teeny weenie bit, maybe I'll be too worn out by my 12th House action and my Neptune to eek out a meow?

[Kim Falconer]

Hi BlueORchids,

I can't seem to enlarge the chart you posted, and I need to see the natal and return side by side (not a bi-wheel) to get the right 'hit', but if I understand you correctly, you are saying Uranus is the rising NATAL planet in this V. return and Ma/Sa are (obviously) rising in the return? What position are they in the Natal then?

With N. Uranus rising in the return, you get CHANGE, excitement, SUDDEN events that cause upset, alarm or thrill, and MOST importantly, a more eccentric, zany approach to life. You will possible do much more than roar (especially if that is not characteristic).

Saturn and Mars are an interesting pair. Mars says GO and Saturn says STOP! You get a real feeling of cautious assertion, serious action, pragmatic efforts and energy expended for WORK. Some say it is like driving with the emergency brake on though with awareness, it can be a very steady and productive time. In the 12th, everything becomes diffuse, because the energy is 'behind the veil'...You get a feeling of taking responsibility (Saturn) for actions (Mars) in the astral (12th) or practical awareness (Saturn) for energy spent (Mars) in hospitals or institutions (12th). You might have an ambition (Saturn) to put together (Mars) a dream guide or book (12th).

Can you think of other possibilities? Mars rules the VR 9th and 4th, giving a feeling of 'psychological journeys'....this is the Venus return and the emphasis is on artistic values and socially significant relationships. Perhaps there will be an exploration of unknown or uncharted materials in the unconscious through dream work, artistic workshops or guided visualizations. The 5th is linked, so you might be introducing an art therapy program into a children's ward for young patients with long-term conditions.

What do you think it might mean?


Kim

[blueorchids]

oh Kim, the Saturn Mars description is completely accurate. Riding with one's foot on the brake. I want to be wild but I can't and that natal Venus trine Saturn is the cherry on top. I will be forever enslaved by my sense of responsibility to this life, to this family. C'est la vie.

As for the art therapy thing. That does not really resonate with me although I have contemplated mentoring children/teens through my artisan/artist work. My natual Uranus is in the 8th house. Thanks for you terrific thoughts on this. I may not sound like a Saturn fan, but I sort of am.. All my best relationships have heavy doses of the big boys: Chiron, Saturn and Pluto (laugh).

[Kim Falconer]

Thanks for posting the charts!

There is a stronger 9th house emphasis than I realized before--I think something in your relationship world is going to expand ... the horizons get bigger! It's a journey into the unknown which may be physical (of the body-actual travel or sensuality, or both) astral (of the spirit through meditation etc) intellectual (of the mind--higher education, study and research).

Whatever the vehicle, you are going places and you aren't going alone!

Who else can comment here?

Kim