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Post by lunariviera on Nov 3, 2005 20:19:23 GMT
I was just wondering if there's any significance to the half birthday, when the transiting sun is opposite the natal sun...? Can you relate it back to the solar return chart for the year (does it change or the color the influence of the SR chart in relation to the second half of the year?)?!...Does this particular event carry any astrological weight?! For fun, I ran a chart for my half birthday (which is in January) and it's definitely more challenging than my rather positive solar return chart from this past July...should I take that as a note of caution?! Curiosity strikes deep...
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Post by Kim Falconer on Nov 3, 2005 22:10:43 GMT
Hi Lunariviera,
The quick answer is YES, you can use the demi return--it is read much the same way as the annual return though it really kicks in strongly for about a three month period- the month before, during and after the exact opposition.
I don't use them often, mainly because I have so many other charts to consult but if there is a specific timing of a transit to be investigated, they are handy.
Like any return chart, it is read back to the NATAL. I don't generally look at the demi-back to the solar, UNLESS there is a theme in the demi that was initiated in the solar (first 6 months).
You have me curious now. I'm going to look at my demi (which occurs in about 20 days!) as see what I see!!!
Other comments?
Anyone familiar with these charts at all?
Thanks for bringing this up!
Kim
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Post by Kim Falconer on Nov 3, 2005 22:20:28 GMT
Okay, wow. I just did my demi for this year (nov. 22) and I have an exact natal ascendant return! (within less than a degree!) and MC too. What a surprise (you don't see those in the annual returns but a few times a life time and usually only by sign)
Tell you what, if the next few months prove VERY important to me in the 'big picture', we'll know there is something to the demi's!
Oh, you can also do quarter returns (when the sun is 90 and 270) and Enneads (40 degrees)
Kim
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Post by lunariviera on Nov 4, 2005 6:23:18 GMT
Kim,
I'm glad my question inadvertantly lead to a vital and interesting discovery for you...I'm sure we will all be watching closely to see how this rare event manifests in your life!!! (I'm really excited for you!!!...it seems like you may be on the threshold of a banner year!!!)...
Thanks for all of your insights...I just had my quarter birthday on October 17th, the day of the lunar eclipse in which my chart was already lit up like an x-mas tree (my natal MC is 24 Aries and my natal sun is 24 Cancer...also my prog. moon was at 24 Aries that day)...so I'm anxiously anticipating something that I can relate back to that event...
I guess the key to all of this is patience and hindsight!
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Post by lunariviera on Nov 29, 2005 1:18:40 GMT
Wow...I was just reading the current issue of The Mountain Astrologer and I discovered that there's going to be a full Moon at 24 Cancer on January 14...my natal Sun is at 24 Cancer...this is the day of my demi return or my half-birthday...I'm quite perplexed as to how to interpret this...a friend of mine reminded me that full moons signal the completion of a cycle or of endings in general...I also wonder how this relates to the full Moon lunar eclipse that occured on Oct. 17 (my quarter birthday) at 24 Aries-Libra (my exact MC/IC)...? What does it mean when a full Moon occurs on your natal Sun?!? (perhaps I should ask this in the 'Eclipse' or 'Lunations' thread?!...but it does also speak to the demi return, which is why I posted this question in this thread in particular)... Full and new Moons are still quite a mystery to me...and any insight would be much appreciated, especially since these lunations keep occuring on exact (important) degrees in my natal chart... Thanks in advance!!!
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Post by Kim Falconer on Nov 29, 2005 6:31:36 GMT
Yes, the lunation’s and eclipses are really heating up your natal chart right now. Eclipses are super-charged lunation’s. They really can get their message across. The main message being 'Wake up!" (in regards to the sign and house placement of the natal planet they are aspecting. Think of this transit as a strong focal point of energy moving your life in its fated direction. Do the demi-return and see how close it is to the eclipse degree. That will be interesting. And have a look at what house the eclipse occurs in, in the return and also the natal. These bring up the themes that you will find activated. Because your Sun is activated (reactivated from previous eclipse) your sense of intention, purpose, direction, mission and creative expression will be highlighted. Also, issues of authority, power, control, 'father' (in every sense of the word) and distinction come to the foreground. What houses? This is very interesting! Kim
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Post by lunariviera on Nov 29, 2005 19:46:35 GMT
Yes, the lunation’s and eclipses are really heating up your natal chart right now. Eclipses are super-charged lunation’s. They really can get their message across. The main message being 'Wake up!" (in regards to the sign and house placement of the natal planet they are aspecting. Think of this transit as a strong focal point of energy moving your life in its fated direction. Do the demi-return and see how close it is to the eclipse degree. That will be interesting. And have a look at what house the eclipse occurs in, in the return and also the natal. These bring up the themes that you will find activated. Because your Sun is activated (reactivated from previous eclipse) your sense of intention, purpose, direction, mission and creative expression will be highlighted. Also, issues of authority, power, control, 'father' (in every sense of the word) and distinction come to the foreground. What houses? This is very interesting! Kim Kim, Thanks so much for responding and confirming what I already suspected...I'm having a bit of trouble piecing it all together so I thought I might post the charts that I ran (unfortunately, I don't have an astro. program so they're quite make-shift)...thank you so much again for your insights and I apologize if it seems as though I'm monopolizing your (valuable) time...at any rate, here are a few visual aids if you're so inclined and interested!: My natal chart: My demi return (set for Los Angeles, where I currently reside): Lunar Eclipse Chart Oct. 17, 2005 (Los Angeles): Perhaps you can make better sense of this than I can?!...the Cancer Full Moon on Jan. 14. takes place at 24 Cancer 05... Much appreciation!
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Post by Kim Falconer on Nov 30, 2005 0:03:18 GMT
You did well to get that demi-return accurate on Astrodents! That's the same ascendant degree (29 Aquarius) that I got on my software.
I think the biggest impact of the Jan. 14th events will be on your 6th - 12th house axis and of course it's going to accentuate any themes that were raised about the time of the October square eclipse. Can you reflect on what that might be?
The demi return shows a strong emphasis on your natal 7th (Aquarius rising) bringing all manner of personal relationship to the foreground. --perhaps an old relationship from the past re-surfaces (Venus Rx in the 11th) Uranus is rising--expect the unexpected!
If you have any skeletons in your family closet, they could rattle at this time. You'll need to look after yourself physically (exercise, health, diet etc) if you get stressed. You might want to reflect on your relationship to your body--as a vehicle, as a form of creative expression and articulation, as an extension of yourself.
You'll have more to do with groups of like-minded people in the next 6 months and the strong focus on the Sun suggests a greater feeling of purpose, mission, profession. Be open to new possibilities!
I suggest you do some research on the 6th-12th house axis (an look at a WIDE range of sources--ancient, modern, psychological, horary etc) and perhaps investigate the decan and dwad of 24 Cancer-Capricorn.
Report back any and all findings!
Warmly, Kim
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Post by lunariviera on Nov 30, 2005 19:40:13 GMT
You did well to get that demi-return accurate on Astrodents! That's the same ascendant degree (29 Aquarius) that I got on my software. I think the biggest impact of the Jan. 14th events will be on your 6th - 12th house axis and of course it's going to accentuate any themes that were raised about the time of the October square eclipse. Can you reflect on what that might be? The demi return shows a strong emphasis on your natal 7th (Aquarius rising) bringing all manner of personal relationship to the foreground. --perhaps an old relationship from the past re-surfaces (Venus Rx in the 11th) Uranus is rising--expect the unexpected! If you have any skeletons in your family closet, they could rattle at this time. You'll need to look after yourself physically (exercise, health, diet etc) if you get stressed. You might want to reflect on your relationship to your body--as a vehicle, as a form of creative expression and articulation, as an extension of yourself. You'll have more to do with groups of like-minded people in the next 6 months and the strong focus on the Sun suggests a greater feeling of purpose, mission, profession. Be open to new possibilities! I suggest you do some research on the 6th-12th house axis (an look at a WIDE range of sources--ancient, modern, psychological, horary etc) and perhaps investigate the decan and dwad of 24 Cancer-Capricorn. Report back any and all findings! Warmly, Kim Kim, Thank you so much...again and again...for going above and beyond for me on this issue...you've given me quite a bit to chew on and I obviously have some homework to do...at any rate, you're the best and I really appreciate your time and invaluable insights!!! Much gratitude on my part! ;D
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Post by Kim Falconer on Nov 30, 2005 23:08:26 GMT
my pleasure.
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Post by lunariviera on Jan 13, 2006 2:22:39 GMT
The demi return shows a strong emphasis on your natal 7th (Aquarius rising) bringing all manner of personal relationship to the foreground. --perhaps an old relationship from the past re-surfaces (Venus Rx in the 11th) Uranus is rising--expect the unexpected! Warmly, Kim Kim, Seeing that my demi-return is just around the corner (this coming Saturday), I was reflectng on some of what you've so kindly wrote and I was hoping you could help clear something up for me...you mentioned that my natal 7th house is highlighted in this return, but I'm curious to know if that's based solely on sign or are you looking at specific degrees as they relate to the house cusps?...because in my natal chart (July 17, 1979 Tarzana, California 6:44 a.m.), my 7th house begins at 3 Aqu and ends at 25 Aqu (placidus)...and my demi-return asc. is 29 Aqu...in which case, I would assume that my 8th-2nd house axis would be highlighted?! Needless to say, Aquarius rules both my 7th and 8th house in my Placidus natal chart and there is definitely an Aquarian signature to this return chart (aprox. Jan. 14, 2006 Los Angeles, Ca. 8:56 am), with Uranus rising in the 1st and a stellium in the 11th consisting of Mercury, Venus, and the Sun...so should I take that to mean that both the 7th and the 8th houses are brought into focus?! Also, there's a great deal of activity occuring along house cusps, which is always tricky in terms of interpretation...the demi-return Moon is at 27 Cancer 42 on the cusp of the 5th/6th house (27 Cancer 52)...and this Mars-Jupiter opposition at 15 Taurus-Scorpio occurs really close to the 3rd-9th house axis (16 Tau-Sco.)...not to mention the fact that the asc. is in the last and critical degree of Aquarius...how do I read such placements and what houses do I look to for their impact?! Sorry for inundating you with questions, you've already been sooo very helpful to me, so absolutely no pressure!!! I'm definitely at a crossroads in my life right now...torn between the desire to pursue what it is I really want to do (astrology, intuitive life coaching, tarot, etc.) and what I may have to do to earn a decent leaving (I'm being presented with the opportunity of moving out of my enjoyable, but low paying, hourly day job to take a corporate salaried position in my company's marketing department)...I'm certainly crawling out of my skin with the desire for change (transiting Uranus is opposing my natal Saturn/North Node)...but I'm really worried that I might be making a wrong move...so any insight that you may have would be much appreciated!!! Thanks again!!! Michael (lunariviera)
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Post by Kim Falconer on Jan 13, 2006 22:21:22 GMT
HI Michael...I was speaking generally of the sign (Aquarius) emphasis...I need to see the charts again. Can you re-post them (just your natal and the Demi.
I'm flat out with updates right now but if you can condense your questions to one (at a time) I can handle it!
Warmly, Kim
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Post by lunariviera on Jan 14, 2006 9:17:56 GMT
HI Michael...I was speaking generally of the sign (Aquarius) emphasis...I need to see the charts again. Can you re-post them (just your natal and the Demi. I'm flat out with updates right now but if you can condense your questions to one (at a time) I can handle it! Warmly, Kim Kim, Thanks so much for clearing up my confusion regarding the emphasis on Aquarius (general vs. cusp/house specific)... I suppose my next question relates to the issue of cusps and the asc. at a critical degree in my demi-return...to quote my own post: "Also, there's a great deal of activity occuring along house cusps, which is always tricky in terms of interpretation...the demi-return Moon is at 27 Cancer 42 on the cusp of the 5th/6th house (27 Cancer 52)...and this Mars-Jupiter opposition at 15 Taurus-Scorpio occurs really close to the 3rd-9th house axis (16 Tau-Sco.)...not to mention the fact that the asc. is in the last and critical degree of Aquarius...how do I read such placements and what houses do I look to for their impact?!" Here are the charts: Natal chart Demi-return Any insight you might have is priceless in my book! Thanks so much again for your time and thoughtful delineations! Michael (lunariviera)
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Post by Kim Falconer on Jan 15, 2006 23:13:26 GMT
HI Michael,
Just dashing past--very busy these next few weeks with clients and web-site updates.
When I see a planet on a cups, especially within a few degrees, I read them as if a person was in one room but looking through the door into another. (Cusps are like doors and there isn't a specific 'place' where one house ends and anther begins...it's a nebulous doorway) The Moon looks to me like she is mainly concerned with the 6th! Same for Mars and Jupiter in their respective placements. I would read those planets 90% in the following houses and 10 % 'where they stand".
Don't be afraid to use 'shades of grey. If astrology is anything, it is not black and white.
Warmly, Kim
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Post by lunariviera on Jan 16, 2006 19:05:22 GMT
HI Michael, Just dashing past--very busy these next few weeks with clients and web-site updates. When I see a planet on a cups, especially within a few degrees, I read them as if a person was in one room but looking through the door into another. (Cusps are like doors and there isn't a specific 'place' where one house ends and anther begins...it's a nebulous doorway) The Moon looks to me like she is mainly concerned with the 6th! Same for Mars and Jupiter in their respective placements. I would read those planets 90% in the following houses and 10 % 'where they stand". Don't be afraid to use 'shades of grey. If astrology is anything, it is not black and white. Warmly, Kim Kim, Thanks so much for everything!!!...you've given me an arsenal of new insights into the nature of cusps and how to interpret them...and I'm truly grateful!!! You're the best! Michael
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