composite vs. davison

[searose]

what are people's opinion on which one is better to use? I find the davison is much more accurate ' such as the composite has our ascendant as aries which i know doesn't describe us and the davison ascd. is libra which does.

[darkdreamer]

Hi Searose,

I know that many people use the midpoint - composite very successfully, but I have found the Davison to be more accurate in many cases.
Maybe the Davision just suits me better, and other people get better results with the Composite. But I`m relieved, that I`m not the only one using the Davison.

DD

[searose]

thanks darkdreamer ror your reply. ;D hopefully others will give thier imput too, as i feel this is an important aspect of compatibility! ;D it is just so confusing because not only do the asd/dsd. switch but in the comp. our stellium is in the 7th and in the davison it is in the first.

[primamateria]

this is an interesting question... the alchemists have a saying - 'confirmation is always available, if you're looking for it'... so if you are looking for a more 'accurate' reading then you may well find it in either the Davidson or the Composite - depending on how you define 'accurate' of course... on the other hand, both charts may have something of value to offer...albeit in different ways - the composite is about the relationship as a third entity but the Davidson speaks more to me of how two individuals meet and combine in space-time...

the two charts, in my case (as in with me and the father of this child I'm carrying), are very similar; Sun in the same degree, NN, Saturn and all the other outer planets the same to within a degree... the moon, the ascendant and the inner planets are all different but in a way that makes sense and relates back to other charts, such as our natals and progressions.

searose - the asc/dsc switch may make perfect sense to you in time.. particularly in light of the tendency of relationships to show us what is 'other' and what is 'self'.

more later,
pm

[darkdreamer]

I also think, that both charts are very valuable.
I just found out for myself, that I can work better with the Davison chart.

DD

[Juliet]

I find the Davison very practical and convincing. The day my bf and I met, transiting Juno was on the Libra Juno of the Davison!
So I guess both types have their own merits.

[blueorchids]

This is an interesting discussion for me. When I first discovered Davison a year ago. I was stunned to actually see the difference in my charts with others. Not only was the "tone" and emphasis changed but there was major shifting in some of the planets (i.e fast moving ones like the MOON and Mercury) and houses. The two I recall most are the composites with my husband and the one with D.

With my husband a 6th house stellium which included sun Venus and Mercury suddenly became a 5th planet stellium. A Sag rising became a Leo rising. I can say that as much as the Davison 5th house stellium would thrill me, the sixth house line up in Gemini is dead on more accurate. We are highly tightly and mercurially in sync when it comes to the day to day issues of our household and lives. And indeed the realtionship also has a Sag feel to it with both partners being independent. A heavy 6th house composite also feels like a working machine but weighted down with the minituae and even mechanical plowing through of house 6.

I also will post here the difference between Davidon and Midpoint composite with D. One thing you will note is what many would say is a screaming moon saturn issue. LOL.. In Davison however the Moon sits atop/conjunct the Saturn in the 4th house, in the midpoint composite they oppose each other. The MOON also loses her lovely water trine status (goodbye to that great moon to mars/eros lionk...LOL) and is suddely besieged by a host of additional challenging aspects. Here is the other thing-- the MOON can radically change depending upon which method you choose. So I look at the two and tried to determine which seems to more accurately portray the relationship, this situation. I also recommend progressing both charts, and right now the midpoint composite seems fairly accurate for how things are going along...

I suppose I have leaned toward the Composite with Doc as well as my husband. With D. this is definitely a situation where the Mercury conjuncts the Sun! The relationship has a verbal flow unlike any where the conversation is so fluid as to begin and never end. (also see the Jupiter trine to the SUN/MERCURY in the Midpt Composite) The moon in CANCER resonates fiercely. The other thing is this relationship seems to have a great deal to do with helping the other get to a place with one's work that is better, and bigger and more inspired---again the Moon in 10th. In the composite the 7th house is also more intact and focused here, with 3 aries planets... I will say the relationship with D has a heavy Venus feel (LIBRA rising) at times and I dont mean love --I mean it's intriguing-- with lots of discussions around art, travel, food, cooking (Cancer Moon tightly conjunc SAPPHO). The power and sexual tension is undoubtedly fueled by the heavy 7th house aries. See for yourselves the differences:







Interestingly enough VENUS in many of my composites sits right on the descendant...now that is worth pondering.

[Aphrodite]

I've been ruminating on composite charts today and would like to get some feedback from the group on my thoughts.

My experience is leading me to use the Davidson chart as the relocation chart for the relationship. The midpoint composite seems most relevant, but is impacted by the nuances added as the couple moves about together. This implies that the relevance or impact of the Davidson chart increases in accordance with the distance between the three locations: birth (x 2) and residence. Changing hemispheres can change the Davidson Ascendant to the point that planets change houses and thus the focus of the relationship changes. Also, the new location may not offer the same opportunities for the energy of the composite to express.

I don't have a specific example to offer at the moment, so I will offer this for the sake of the discussion...

Hypothetically, what would be the effect of two champion snow skiers meeting at the Olympics and then returning together to another country? If the couple retires from skiing, the new place could be wonderful for their new life. Maybe not so good for those at the height of their professional career. At the first location, both could ski together and find individual and joint success. Will the new location offer the same outlet for their combined energy? Will it offer a new outlet for their energy or does it leave a void? Does it favor one or the other party?

I welcome your thoughts and ideas. Actual case studies are even better!

Aphrodite

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Aphrodite,

This is an interesting question and one I hadn't thought of in quite the way that you present.

What we are seeing here is a question of location and that's in the realm of Astro*Carto*Graphy, the mapping of the chart over the world so that each location on the planet can be scrutinized. The planets stay put in their sign and degree but the angels and house cusps change, sometimes quite significantly depending on where you are in the world.

My interpretation of 'place' as and astrological indicator is that it's never a limitation. Only our thoughts can limit us and different places make us think of different things. In your example, the skiers' focus is on their sport/career/mission/profession in one location (perhaps the composite chart has sun in the 10th house and Jupiter in the 5th!). When they move, the sun may fall in the 12th and Jupiter in the 7th. It's not that their skills or competitive edge disappears, it just means the relationship might express in different ways.

Perhaps they start a meditation group to help athletes relax and prepare for events (12th house). Maybe they start coaching (7th house) young skiers. The new location brings inherent qualities of the relationship to the foreground.

The composite can not favor one over the other because it is not describing individual experiences. The composite chart is always a reflection of the relationship's energy--what they are together. If one person is a Pisces and one and Aries, a 12th house composite sun may seem more accessible to one than the other. How each person relates to the relationship can shift in that way.

Individual changes in the natal chart on relocation can have as significant an effect as transits. It highlights different planets and houses, bringing new qualities of life to focus. Whatever is brought to attention has always been there. It is part of the essence of the individual. Changing location simply allows different qualities to become more visible, more emphasized.

I have an example of this which I will post....let me find those charts and dust them off!

Great question!

Kim

[predrag]

Interesting, few days ago, before reading Aphrodite's post, I tried Davison Relationship chart as the relocation chart. But can't say anything special, it was just an experiment.

About composite vs. davison - I can say I use both with very good results that show a relationship from different sides.

Sometimes one or the other gives more insights about a relationship.

Also I use multiperson composite chart, MP method. You can look at the energy of the group, really very interesting.

Davison chart is very suitable because can be used in many ways, simialr to natals. Recently I began to use harmonic chart on the base of a Davison, even more, age harmonic chart on the base of Davison.
I think we can also run a Davison chart between natal and Davison chart, but maybe should not be so quick with possible conclusions - rather to take into considerastion only the strongest aspects.

Looking at synastry between natals and composite/Dav. charts can show important meanings of a relationship.