orbs in synastry

[darkdreamer]

Hello all,

what orbs do you use in synastry?
And does it make a difference, if there are several planets involved?

For example:
If someone has Venus at 26° Scorpio and Mercury at 2° Sagittarius, and another person has Mars at 5° Sagittarius; is the Venus still conjunct Mars? Or is it too wide to be counted?

DD

[tom]

hi darkdreamer,
i use the same orbs in synastry as in natal work.
i use 10 for major aspects involving the lights and the nodal axis, and then otherwise 8 for conjunction, opposition, trine and square, 6 for sextile, 3 for inconjunct.

regarding the several planets question, when you're talking a conjunction, the energies are merged. when you get a transit to a member of a stellium, for example, all members are affected to one degree or another (depending on how wide the orb). & the same applies in synastry.

in the example you name, the first person has a venus-mercury conjunction, and the second person's mars is conjunct it. the effect on the venus will be less than that on the mercury, but it's there.

now, there are people who will say that technically the mars is not at all conjunct the venus, and i suppose according to math it's not, but i see this often in the realities of real people (who don't often live their personal realities according to math).

[darkdreamer]

Thank you for replying.


You wrote:
"regarding the several planets question, when you're talking a conjunction, the energies are merged. when you get a transit to a member of a stellium, for example, all members are affected to one degree or another (depending on how wide the orb). & the same applies in synastry."
That was exactly what I was wondering. I used to be very strict when it came to orbs. You know, I would only count a conjunction of 5° and would totally dismiss a conjunction of 6°. But it turned out that I was too shortsighted. Because some conjunctions were felt with an even larger orb, while others were not.
And I think maybe there are planets who "transfer" the energy of one planet to the other, in this case it would be Mercury. And you confirmed that theory. Thanks.


"the effect on the venus will be less than that on the mercury, but it's there."
Yes, I still think the most exact aspects have the strongest effect.

This particular synastry puzzles me, because I feel an unusually strong attraction.
Well, there are other intense aspects like a Venus-Pluto-square by 2°, and some minor aspects like Venus semisquare Pluto and Venus semisquare mars, too.
But I never took the minor aspects very much into account;
And I`ve known someone else, who actually had his Venus also conjunct my Mars (by 7°) and his Pluto squared my Venus (2°), and I would have thought that I would feel much more attracted to him, more than to the first guy. But I didn`t. Strange.
Mmh, maybe it has something to do with the fact that the first guy has a Venus-mars-conjunction in Scorpio and I have Venus square Pluto; so we`re both in tune with the Venus-Pluto-aspect.
The other guy, I only feel moderately attracted to, has also mars in Scorpio, but Venus in Sagittarius, so no tuning into the Venus-Pluto-thing.
Maybe that could be an explanation. Sorry, for the rant. I was just thinking aloud.

DD

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Darkdreamer,

We discussed orbs in another thread some time back and I thought you might be interested in those comments as well as Tom's. (I would see the Venus as conjunct Mars--if it ACTS like it is! I use wide orb when I see that the energy is 'working'. I don't think there is an actual 'dividing line' where it 'stops'!)

erosastrology.proboards26.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1151281329


Remember there is an essence of the human soul that is NOT in represented in the chart! The horoscope is a moment in time, a frozen map of 'something' that might be a person's life, a building or a company-or a particular event. We BRING something to relationship, a magic, that isn't necessarily accounted for in the map. That's why some people can zap us awake and others are just ho-hum, even with synastry links of a similar nature. People are like permanent transits, but some people will have a greater impact on because of that 'other something' that they bring.

Does this make sense?

Kim

[blueorchids]

I think you also have to look at how you respond to certain aspects touching your chart. For example my Aries Moon at 21 feels contact very far out and frankly bristles at close conjunction but also feels those conjunctions even at 8 or 9 degrees. Squares also emit a simmering and I can feel those a mile away.....

[Kim Falconer]

Yes, different people might be more sensitive to wider orbs than others. It can become a very personal thing. We see this with transits all the time. If you have Uranus approaching the moon, for example, would you start to 'feel' this when it is 2 degrees away? 5? 10? Some would notice a difference when T. Ur entered the sign of their Moon, even if it was 25 degrees away.

It's the same with synastry: people are permanent transits!

Again, I fall back to Liz's teachings as mentioned in the other thread on orbs. "If it FEELS like it is in orb of an aspect, then it's in orb of an aspect!"

Kim

[darkdreamer]

Kim,

thank you for the link.
I also agree that there`s some magic between people that you don`t always see in synastry.
But sometimes I wonder what good synastry is for, if it doesn`t help me to see how the connection between two people most probably would be like.


Blueorchids,

yes, I believe there are some sensitive spots in a horoscope, like your Aries-Moon, which are more sensitive to wideorbed aspects than others.
I recently thought a´bit about generational aspects like Pluto - Venus and why some people react so strongly to those aspects, while others don`t.
Well, I think it might have something to do with someone "being in tune" with this kind of aspect; like me for example. I have a Venus-Pluto-square natally and I normally react very strongly, if there`s a synastry-aspect between Venus and Pluto. It gets even stronger, when the other person has a Scorpio-venus or Venus-Pluto-aspect himself.


DD

admin said:

Yes, different people might be more sensitive to wider orbs than others. It can become a very personal thing. We see this with transits all the time. If you have Uranus approaching the moon, for example, would you start to 'feel' this when it is 2 degrees away? 5? 10? Some would notice a difference when T. Ur entered the sign of their Moon, even if it was 25 degrees away.

It's the same with synastry: people are permanent transits!

Again, I fall back to Liz's teachings as mentioned in the other thread on orbs. "If it FEELS like it is in orb of an aspect, then it's in orb of an aspect!"

Kim