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Post by searose on Nov 28, 2006 23:11:05 GMT
hi i'm new to this forum, i was wondering what my venus conjucting my ex's lilith means? also my lilith opposite his mars. any imput would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by tom on Nov 29, 2006 0:03:35 GMT
hi searose - are you using the true BML or the mean? i recommend using the true, as where it actually is is what we should be looking at. it's not like the lunar nodes in that it differs slightly - it can differ significantly (up to 30 degrees from the mean, i believe).
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Post by searose on Nov 29, 2006 0:35:58 GMT
hi tom, thanks for replying so quickly. i'm using the lilith that you get at astro.com.,i don't know if that helps you any.
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Nov 29, 2006 2:09:20 GMT
Hi searose. My astrologer looks at Lilith as a strong symbol of equality and feminism. Supposedly Adam was first with Lilith, but she wouldn't be beneath him (not physically in sex nor in status). She demanded equality. When Adam couldn't deal with that, she split and then Eve came in. Lilith was resentful, and she's been treated badly by history, but feminists have resurrected her as a strong woman who can only be in a relationship of equals.
I don't know how your ex felt with his Lilith - if he wasn't comfortable with it, it could have been difficult for your Venus. (Depends on the sign and house position of your Venus, too.) And your Lilith opposite his Mars might not have reacted well to his aggression or anger. But you'd have to give us more info on what your experience with him was.
3rdhousenorth
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Post by anjica on Nov 29, 2006 9:14:39 GMT
Dear searose, here's a part of an article I found on internet about Lilith and Venus in synastry..I hope it'll help.. Our own charts notwithstanding, knowing how our Lilith placement relates to us through synastry with others is of primary importance. If Lilith is directly on your partner’s Venus you’d know straight away that in a love relationship, you could be put in a position of being made to feel unworthy and need to be on your guard. It could also tell you that the person you are involved with will hit all your trigger spots, and that revenge and rage could be part of the equation. As you sink deeper into the relationship, you need to be very sure you are making yourself clear in all commutations in this relationship and not allowing your emotions to run wild.
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Post by searose on Nov 29, 2006 19:25:08 GMT
thanks for all of your imput, but i was using the mean lilith, so using the true lilith my vertex conjucts my ex"s lilith so what did that mean?
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Post by searose on Nov 29, 2006 19:34:55 GMT
actually i'm confused about this..alls i know is i have the first connections i mentioned using the lilith listed with the crescent moon and cross,the one i just asked about i had looked up and i believe it was listed as the osc or apogee. so sorry for all the confusion!
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Post by tom on Nov 30, 2006 19:16:05 GMT
hi searose, the default on astro.com is the mean. the ephemeris for the true i can never find a link to, but i have it on my computer as a text file. one more confusing thing about getting to the true position.
i offer that at root, behind the ideas of equality and feminism, lilith in my experience is an energy of tapping into the deep creative power that creates as well as destroys. i guess i'm wary of saying it's about feminism, which itself is a response to socio-political situations. i'm trying to get at the energy's root, before it had the chance to become about any -ism...because understanding how things got to be the way they are is the way to begin to alter them.
for thoughts on what it means to have your vertex hitting your ex's true BML, get to know what the vertex is about and start with the idea that people are permanent transits.
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Dec 1, 2006 0:55:03 GMT
Hey Tom,
Thanks for offering alternative meanings for Lilith. I have found very little that's positive, and I think that all planetary energies are just energies that have their good or bad aspects, depending on how they're used. I have Lilith conjunct my South Node and since I was discussing relationship issues with the astrologer I saw, she had an interesting take on what that offers me from a positive perspective. I mean what good is it to me to hear, well you're screwed relationship-wise with that aspect! There's a creative and powerful strength that comes with it also. And a way to use what you come in with positively.
If you have any suggestions for where to find positive or I should say balanced info on Lilith I'd love to explore further.
3rdhousenorth
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Post by tom on Dec 1, 2006 1:53:55 GMT
hi 3hn, yes, exactly - what good does it do to hear that stuff? revilla is a good source, though his site offers not really that much info. i started to get to know it a few months ago on a road trip with my girlfriend. we went to visit friends and i was going to give a reading to a friend in that town. very long story short, the firend has true BML on saturn/mc and wanted to talk about work in the world (a huge trip she was close to undertaking to southeast asia to discover her work), and my comments to her were timely, as her work is, she's slowly learning, all about lilith. and after telling my girlfriend about THAT, my girlfriend ended up channeling lilith and scaring the stuff out of me. i had to leave the room, i was so terrified (it felt personal, and i'm leaving details out...).
seeing lilith in my girlfriend, i began thinking about that archetype as a process, and working on the ideas of how we make liliths - how we make ourselves, how we live these myths, and the processes that the archetypes actually are. i get frustrated that people exploring astrology can end up with these floating keywords a lot of the time, and soundbites other times, and these don't offer paths to understanding.
but back to that experience: i knew already that everyone has lilith inside (NOT just women - we all have all of the energies), but seeing it in the woman i'm entangled with was important. she's a 5th house scorpio pluto (echoes of lilith), and working with what came up for each of us from that experience was very important. i resolved to work on commjnicating deeper things about the archetype, if she didn't kick my ass first. and that day, i wasn't sure what was going to happen.
and re your comment about the woman who told you you're screwed: argh. she's the kind of astrologer that makes me do my homework better, so that i can help show people where they have choice. (i note that my progressed mercury re-enters sag in the spring, where it is natally, and i'm going to have pool all resources to upgrade my soapboxes when it ingresses.)
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Dec 2, 2006 1:42:18 GMT
Tom: Oh interesting about the Lilith stuff, what you were able to share. Good that you can get into this stuff with your girlfriend. Not many people around who will go deep into this stuff with you and what a fabulous - albeit difficult, though rewarding - thing that you have someone to play this stuff out with who understands.
Actually, I didn't mean to imply that someone told me Lilith on my SN meant I was screwed! Quite the opposite. The astrologer I saw gave me a very *positive* image of coming into this life with an image of this strong archetype of an equal relationship. I was simply making the point that you have to find the good energy and work with it as opposed to believing you're stuck with something bad because of the negative images you find out there. For ex, I have a very strongly placed Pluto and you find a lot of scary stuff written about it. So I'm happy to find the more balanced interpretations so I have something to work with.
3rdhousenorth
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Post by psychick on Jun 14, 2008 16:50:21 GMT
w our Lilith placement relates to us through synastry with others is of primary importance. If Lilith is directly on your partner’s Venus you’d know straight away that in a love relationship, you could be put in a position of being made to feel unworthy and need to be on your guard. It could also tell you that the person you are involved with will hit all your trigger spots, and that revenge and rage could be part of the equation. As you sink deeper into the relationship, you need to be very sure you are making yourself clear in all commutations in this relationship and not allowing your emotions to run wild. This is definitely ringing true for me in synastry, with both our liliths conjunct our AC and DC almost exact! His in Leo and mine in Taurus. Interestingly, they are both in our own sun signs too.. so does that mean that our relationship will always be painful? My emotions do tend to run wild anyway His lilith also conjuncts my saturn (2deg) Please can someone help as l don't know if this is positive or will make our relationship degenerate into carnage!
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Post by ariesmoon on Jun 14, 2008 17:26:16 GMT
Psychick I can't believe this! This is exactly what I'm reading up on at the moment, do have a look at Tom Jacobs' site (he's posted here on this thread!). His Lilith report for my birthchart was a revelation.
I hadn't read this thread though, so thanks for posting on it, and for highlighting it for me!
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Post by psychick on Jun 14, 2008 23:26:05 GMT
Psychick I can't believe this! This is exactly what I'm reading up on at the moment, do have a look at Tom Jacobs' site (he's posted here on this thread!). Hey! You are most welcome ;D I think the synching must be an aries moon thing lol I will look up Tom Jacob's - thank you
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Post by psychick on Jun 14, 2008 23:32:22 GMT
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