Saturn in the 7th house question

[nats]

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Hi I may be too late to jion this message line. I have Saturn in the 7th opposing the asc and squaring Mars conj. pluto, in the 3/4th.
I am 47 still single but would not trade the experience.
One word of caution. If your chart is not rectified you can "believe " you have Saturn in the 7th when in fact it is not, so my feeling is to keep an open mind and not take statements as always being true no matter how well meaning the person may be...that goes for what I say as well.
Nats

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Nats and welcome to the forum.

It’s never too late to jump on a thread and I am sure that Saturn in the 7th house is going to surface on and off again and again.

It’s an interesting T-square you describe, between Saturn-Asc and Mars/Pluto. I have always found the combination of Saturn and Pluto (and Mars Pluto doubly) very independent, very capable of survival. It’s quite resilient and durable. Having such planets connecting to your horizon line would strongly impress upon your approach to life, and marriage as a “legally binding contract.” Self-sufficiency becomes paramount.

I don’t think it precludes relationship or intimacy though. Do you feel you have put committed relationship aside for other adventures (is this a Gemini-Sag Asc line?) or that they feel inauthentic to you? I am very interested in this.

And yes, it is so important to suspend judgement about what a 7th house Saturn may mean…it can be expressed in so many different ways. The irony is, birth times are not always accurate. Your point about thinking you have a 7th house Saturn and actually having one is well made!

Warm wishes,
Kim

[nats]

Thanks Kim,
FYI 17.08.57 1.32 am Akld NZ.
Self sufficient is an understatement! I take marriage very seriously, when I was younger I had terrable losses and obstacles in this area and life is much easier if you can share your traumas, never the less I got thru and it has helped me develope a more altruistic way of thinking(at least some of the time.. )
I would love to have a committed relationship but it seems very elusive for the most fascinating reasons of various kinds. Tragic.
It has not prevented me from the most wonderful relationships, but usually involves a great deal of lonliness. eg fall deeply in love with someone who is sent overseas to work...men who are difficult to love eg the last man I fell for had Pluto sq Moon, as well as venus and sun sq by saturn and opposed by uranus.
I think I do this subconsciously or else I couldn't be so consistant!
I frequently do affirmations to counteract this subconscious sabotaging behavior.
Look forward to talking to you again.
Kind Regards
Nats

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Nats,

Thanks for sharing your data. I know how incredibly challenging Saturn can be, wherever he his found. It seems to make that areas of life, by house, terribly important and also seemingly impossible.

I have a close Saturn/Venus aspect and am acutely familiar with attraction to men who are “absent” physically or emotionally.

It is interesting that your Eros is conjunct Mars square Saturn…and that Psyche is conjunct Venus exactly quintile Saturn. Maybe we can discuss this additional complexitie in a new thread in the “asteroid” section at some point

Back to Saturn in the 7th

Isabel Hickey, a wonderful teacher of mine many years ago said, “Saturn in the 7th is a lone-wolf type who does better by themselves, but they certainly don’t learn as much!”<br>
I think that hits the nail on the head and I find it a strong example that you are consciously doing affirmations and would “love to have a committed relationship.” It says you have given up, haven’t isolated (barricaded) yourself against those personal, one-to-one, socially significant relationships that Saturn in the 7th truly wants you to explore. That you are open is what counts.

I am wondering if the upcoming transit of Uranus opposite Mars (your 7th house ruler) and Eros is going to “stir things up” in this area of life? It will conjunct the MC and square your natal Saturn in the 7th. That sounds like a lot of change to me—and illumination for 2005!

Kim

[Amoroso]

Dear All,

Very interesting thread. My husband has a seventh house sun and he married a very "solar" person--I have three major planets (four if you count the Uranus on the Leo/Uranus cusp,) plus the MH in Leo. My DC is in Aries.

He responds quickly to warm, open people in one-on-one relationships and has the capacity to tune them out when they become selfish or domineering.

Also, there is an asteroid bearing his exact last name that is directly conjunct my Sun in synastry!

There are other threads on Saturn on Kim's forum. I would like to add my two cents--I think Saturn can also act as a "protector" in the house and sign where it resides natally. Yes, that can mean restriction, but it can also mean that it protects you until you can handle its energy and have managed to develop other planets' energies that are in aspect to it. (Assuming we are growing!)

Amoroso (Bodaciousbabe)

[overthetop10]

Wow this thread is pretty old...but I've been preoccupied with analyzing my 7th Saturn recently and would love some assistance...

With Saturn in the 7th, I've been recently trying to get over some serious issues I have with relationships and sexuality. A painful breakup a few months ago spurred sort of a downward spiral, and I'm only recently coming to grips with the fact that I am on my own again...

Unfortunately, I can't seem to stop thinking about the situation, i.e. every moment that my mind is not actively occupied with other distractions, my thoughts go back to my relationship problems and prospects. It seems that my Sun conj. Saturn in Scorpio in the 7th opposed to the Moon in the 1st is causing this depression, especially since for the moment transiting Saturn is retrograding back into squares with all three natal planets.

How might one seek to actively balance this opposition? I hope to turn Saturn's lead into gold somehow, but right now I can only seem to focus on my own shortcomings and the sense that I have been cheated and used by others in relationships...

I am also having a hard time accepting that I need to be alone -- I've been advised by counselors and astrologers that work on coming into myself would be best, without the aid of a romantic and sexual partner, yet I can't stop seeking out and obsessing over possible new partnerships.

Any guidance would be helpful.

Natal data is Nov. 8, 1984, Hastings, Nebraska, United States, 4:49 PM (22:49 GMT), if you're wondering.

Derek

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Derek,

Welcome to the forum.

This is an old thread--perfect for a Saturn topic!

I understand that you want to balance your feelings here and the key is Mercury.

Yes, the messenger of the gods, your thoughts, is what will shift things.

My first astrology teacher, Isabel Hickey, taught me straight up, 30 plus years ago, "ENERGY follows THOUGHT!"

What you dwell on in your mind attracts to you -- what you think about, comes about.

(many have heard me say this before but it's so important I don't mind repeating myself when the topic comes up!)

Consider what you are thinking about now? Shortcomings, being hard done by, alone...the more you think about and dwell and re-live these experiences, the more you will attract them into your life.

The key to shifting it, as I said, is Mercury. When you feel your mind falling into thinking of things that depress you, activate your mercury to focus on what you WANT as opposed to what you are not wanting.

Where is Mercury in your natal chart, sign, house? (no time right now to run your chart). Show me your Mercury and I'll give you some examples on how to balance these feelings.

Warmly,
Kim

[ana]

This thread interests me as I was a bit curious/concerned about my daughter's partner of 6 years since she was 16 and a half and he 18 He has Taurus rising and Sat in Scorpio in 7 He seems l everything a mother could ask for in a son not in law except he does not have a white collar job being mildly dyslexic Her Sat is also in Scorpio on the MC near Pluto They have a great relationship but decided not to live together after trying it in a big town for 18 months They came home and got into share houses again He is terrified of commitment despite being committed totally emotionally She does not trust as her erratic Aquarian dad was always disappearing and unavailable She deals less than wonderfully with her partner"s depressive bouts finding them boring and frustrating He has bought a house and will not let her buy it with him altho she has a legacy He has had much work success and amassed money since meeting her whereas before he met her he had no idea how to keep a girl or a job and had no direction so perhaps that is the steadying effect of a Saturn 7 partner in his life The Saturn Return will be the crunch time here I suppose They have got thro the transiting Saturn in Leo on her 7th house Juno/ Moon / Eros/Sappho with no problem but at the height of the transit he was working away 3 out of 4 weeks in high paying short contracts to fasttrack his mortgage debt. She stopped this by an either or demand and he came back and took nearer work I do hope 7th house
Saturn can be as good as you say even in Scorpio as I love these two pretty young people who look like brother and sister